Quote: (09-29-2012 11:44 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:
The biggest problem is American TV and movies that promotes these types. Girls look at this shit and believe oh that's what cool now. If it's on American TV it has to be.
The biggest problem is the American male and his willingness to allow any given female (particularly a cute one) to get away with anything she pleases. What we see is a result of male acquiescence. Women are merely taking what American men insist on giving them.
The only thing keeping the American reality from coming to pass everywhere else is male unwillingness to roll over accordingly. If the Russian/Polish/Ukrainian women we spend so much time praising could get away with this kind of behavior in their country, rest assured they would. They'll test and push men just like any other woman, they're wired for it the way all females are. The difference is that in Russia/Poland/Ukraine, their men will not put up with bullshit for too long, and will insist that they settle it before giving them any validation at all.
A woman who pulls a stunt like the one Samseau saw from his Greek girl would get the same response from Russian men that Samseau gave-"I'm out of here, I don't need this shit, get your ass back in line or you're on your own".
This is the response of men who simply will not put up with the bullshit, much less cheer for it, fight for it (
white-knight against other men who even make mild, non-violent attempts to stand up to their women) or publicly celebrate it (just turn the TV on sometime) like men do here in the USA. This is the response of a man who is not a slave to female validation, whose life does not revolve around the whims of any given woman. This is a man a woman simply
cannot control easily, if at all.
Russian women grow up and figure this out (can't control their men), so they behave in a less entitled and moderately less bitchy manner. The consequences of behaving like an entitled bitch or disrespecting the men in their lives are obvious to them (the men will simply leave them to themselves, no white knighting) and so they don't cross the line. Instead they enhance their femininity, realizing the irony that this gives them the most power of all remaining options (their men won't cave in the face of bitchy behavior, but perhaps they could be influenced a bit if they become endeared to the uniquely feminine charms of a woman).
The bottomline is that they can't make men do anything they do not want to do, nor can they take what they are not given. Since they lack the physical strength and testosterone to intimidate men into anything, they settle down and make do with the femininity they
do have.
The typical American male, on the other hand, would probably have given in to that Greek girl's demands (which Samseau masterfully dismissed).
"Oh, you're not comfortable with this? Ok, we can do something else, I respect your boundaries totally (even though you've just moved the goal posts and are essentially jerking me around with this). Oh, you want me to stay here tonight? Ok, I will! We can do whatever you want, just let me know! You look so beautiful baby, you complete me!"
Women can be surprisingly rational in this sense-they know what they can get away with, and they stay within that limit. Men, being the more physically powerful and naturally dominant sex, are responsible for setting that limit, and women will always test to see if they have done so. Globally, most men have set a reasonable limit that disallows widespread bitchiness and entitlement.
Western men (and, to a more specific extent, Anglo-European and Scandinavian men) set no limits, so their women respond by pushing as far as they can.
And hey, why shouldn't they? When behaving like an entitled, flaky bitch gets you declarations of love, expensive gifts and widespread supplication, what incentive is there not to be an entitled, flaky bitch?
The virus of Americanization comes from within-it is a virus created and spread by men willing to surrender wholesale control of their lives (and, to a certain extent, their entire society) to women with next to no resistance. Men created it, and only men can cure it. Women will continue to take as long as men are willing to give.
How can dudes fix this? Behave like real men (set boundaries, stop rolling over, punish disrespect quickly and clearly, etc). That is the only kind of behavior women (of ALL nationalities) maintain truly unwavering respect for, and it is the only thing that will get them to behave in the way all of us say we want them to.
Until American men make a widespread rediscovery of their collective balls, little will change here.
