[FretDancer]

(01-07-2012 07:03 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(01-07-2012 06:59 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

I think I can give it a try if I have enough free time this coming semester.

But, what is exactly this opener you are talking about? I only know its apocalypse related. Probably some 2012 opener or something like that?

It just means that you put a girl into "schock" FAST that it does not give her anytime to really rationalize your question, and surprisingly, go for it.

Nothing to do with 2012, but, you can certainly put that twist into the opener if you think it will work in your favor.

The rule is simple: Less is more.

An AO should be no more than a small introduction, and maybe a few verbal sentences exchanged between you and your target before you flat out ask her for sex/intimacy in 60 seconds (or less) of your interaction with her.


I have NEVER been able to pull this off, but surprisingly, no girl has EVER slapped me or gotten angry with me for asking fr sex in less than 60 seconds of meeting her. They certainly get mad/violent the more time you give her.

Mixx

I see. Hadn't realized this thread has been here for a while too.

Sounds interesting, could be very fun haha. Do you have a specific day to try this? I Would like to keep consistency but not make it a daily thing.

[Kickb]

I'll give this a shot at a house party I'm going to tonight.

[Deluge]

Perhaps the opener would work better if you followed the original instructions to the letter and ask them to come home with you in the second or third sentence of your conversation with her.

[w00t]

i tried this about 20 times in the streets. not one bite. the chicks acted totally indifferent "no thank you" or sth like that. not one of them got agressive or pissed like i assumed.
i think i got one phone number from an AO but it was a flake.

i think it coudl work in nightclubs tho.

[Deluge]

(01-08-2012 01:20 PM)w00t Wrote:  

i tried this about 20 times in the streets. not one bite. the chicks acted totally indifferent "no thank you" or sth like that. not one of them got agressive or pissed like i assumed.
i think i got one phone number from an AO but it was a flake.

i think it coudl work in nightclubs tho.

I watched one guy open with it at house party a few months back on a foxy 19 year old, she burst out laughing and was giggling from then on. Couple minutes later they made out and he ended up banging her a week or so later. I don't think it was meant to be used during the daytime at all, more for nightime on girls who are there specifically to meet someone if you catch my drift. It'd also backfire if your delivery and non-verbal communication wasn't solid alpha.

[CJ]

(01-07-2012 07:19 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

I'll give this a shot at a house party I'm going to tonight.

Ah! I hope you didn't do that. House parties are meant for a more subtle, indirect style of game. Everyone knows somebody there and you can get the intel on who is DTF, who just became single and who is there with their bf or whatever. You then pick your prospects, game 'em and find out which one is most likely to bang you that night. A good house party is almost guaranteed sex if you play your hand right.

Using the AO at a house party might get you quickly labeled as a creep by all the girls there, and ruin your chances if your first approach doesn't go right. I would use it at a packed frat party though, where a lot of the people don't actually know each other and maybe only one person in the group of friends even knows someone in the frat.


On a side note, I did not know Mixx used to be Armanid27.

[MiXX]

(01-09-2012 02:42 PM)CJ Wrote:  

Using the AO at a house party might get you quickly labeled as a creep by all the girls there, and ruin your chances if your first approach doesn't go right. I would use it at a packed frat party though, where a lot of the people don't actually know each other and maybe only one person in the group of friends even knows someone in the frat.

Agreed. Do not use AO's at small house parties, or small University campuses during day game, or small lounges with limited people. AO's should be used at wild concerts/events with 2,000+ people whom you'll likely never see again.


Mixx

[Sargon of Akkad]

(01-09-2012 02:49 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(01-09-2012 02:42 PM)CJ Wrote:  

Using the AO at a house party might get you quickly labeled as a creep by all the girls there, and ruin your chances if your first approach doesn't go right. I would use it at a packed frat party though, where a lot of the people don't actually know each other and maybe only one person in the group of friends even knows someone in the frat.

Agreed. Do not use AO's at small house parties, or small University campuses during day game, or small lounges with limited people. AO's should be used at wild concerts/events with 2,000+ people whom you'll likely never see again.


Mixx

What about rel. small university towns (about 150 K inhabitants, 40 K students)?

[MiXX]

(02-23-2012 12:05 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

What about rel. small university towns (about 150 K inhabitants, 40 K students)?

If you're at a concert where she feels she will not be outed or made-out a slut, yes. If you are doing this in a small college dive bar where all her friends are nearby, no.


The whole point is she must feel that is a) spontaneous b) has no consequences from her friends.

* If you catch her during her ovulation period, you're f-in golden!

Mixx

[Giovonny]

Just did one a few days ago...

The weather has been better lately and when that happens I get excited for day gaming. I hadn't been very active over the winter because I've been working alot. Now that winter is ending, I am also working much less, I have been wanting to get back to my roots which is aggressive and direct street gaming. After reading Roosh's stuff for a few years I sort of got into a more indirect style. Well, I decided that I don't like indirect as much. It works great but I just don't enjoy it as much.

I like to blows girls minds and push the limits. I don't want to be like every other guy that she talks to. I want to approach her like she's never been approached before.

The Day Time AO is a great exercise. It takes a certain amount of confidence and balls just to go up to a girl and say it. Just to stand there with a straight face and alpha body language is an exercise in itself. You could get slapped, she might complain to the police or security, she might try to have someone beat you up, she could have a boyfriend or family members near by that you don't know about.

Its a bit of a risk and you are really putting yourself out there. Maybe that's why I love it. It's exciting.

Anyways, I was working one of my usual college campuses and I was looking for a good opportunity to approach with the Day time AO. I like for the girl to be by herself for this.

(However, I am going to take this the next level and do some Day Time Threesome Apocalypse Openers!!!)

I saw a cutie sitting by herself at the bus stop looking in her mirror and playing with her eyebrows. I walk up, sit down next to her and open immediately...

me: is this the bus stop or the beauty shop?
her: ha both
me: you got a date or something?
her: no just checking my lashes
me: i think they look ok
her: thanks
me: what are you doing right now? going home?
her: ya
me: wanna take me home and use me as your teddy bear?

She turned and looked at me.

her: whaaat?!
me: ya lets hang out.
her: ha i don't swing like that.
me: ha you said "swing".
her: thats what it is right?
me: i don't know, i guess. doesn't that sound like fun though?
her: not today, but next time you see me, umm...
me: I'll holler at you.
her: k bye
me: bye


This was the 5th or 6th time that I have seriously tried a the DTAO. I never know what to expect. To be honest,I have been surprised how positive the girls responses have been. I think a few of the girls considered saying yes. One of them was totally disgusted with me. I have the conversations for those approaches earlier in this thread.

For the record, I'm 0-6 with this approach but I'm working on it aggressively.

Imo, Your frame, vibe, body language and looks are key. Well, I guess everything is key. And, you have to choose your target carefully. Look for girls that have a rebellious streak in them. Girls that crave something different. Girls that look like they are curious about the wild side of life. Sexy girls and girls showing skin would be good targets too. If they are craving sexual attention, well, give it to them in a strong, smooth way

I think if you do it right their p*ssy should start to get a little moist and their little hamster should start spinning.

I will be reporting back to this thread very soon. Wish me luck..

[Hotwheels]

There's a couple treads on another forum I'm on now and then that has some discussion about being very direct ie; apocalypse opening

You might get some ideas checking out these two threads.

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2...ght-Stands

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2...-last-post

I find it comical so many guys claimed it was impossible the guy ended up basically leaving.

One thing he stresses is to not act humorous, but very serious when saying these things. I haven't tried his exact method before but have done similar pulls in the past with a minimum of talking.

G would like this guy as he's always suited up.

[MiXX]

anyone notice that not one single guy that has flat out asked for sex directly in the first 5 minutes of meeting a girl has EVER gotten slapped or painfully rejected? Women are nice about it, almost to the point of almost accepting your request.

there has to be some missing key that makes them take the dive, I must find it!


Mixx

[gringochileno]

Is anybody actually getting bangs with this during the day? That's cool and all that you guys aren't getting slapped or reported to the police but I'm also not seeing anyone really being successful at getting sex with a daytime AO. I have a friend who can get it work at night who's 6'5", good-looking, and jacked with solid game/confidence and he told me the only time he considers going with an AO is at a bar on a chick who looks drunk and slutty.

For the record I've used AOs a fair amount at night (and I'll vouch for the fact that girls take offense to it far less often than you'd think--most think it's funny and will keep talking to you), but I've never brought myself to do it in a day situation because imagining it working goes against every intuition I have. It seems like the sheer inappropriateness of it would show a lack of social intelligence which is a DLV in itself.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(02-01-2010 07:27 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Still no volunteers? C'mon fellas MAN UP!! This field study is FUN! I am extremely curious what city has the best succes rate this approach works on! Night or day game who cares, just go out there and fight!

Are you still conducting this experiment?

[Sargon of Akkad]

Tried something similar with eight girls last night at a club. All pretty much just blushed and made an excuse as to why they couldn't. Most were surprisingly friendly about it. Body language seems to be the main thing (calm, playful, completely sure of oneself). When I get a chance I wanna find out how this works during the day.

[MiXX]

(02-24-2012 10:10 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Tried something similar with eight girls last night at a club. All pretty much just blushed and made an excuse as to why they couldn't. Most were surprisingly friendly about it. Body language seems to be the main thing (calm, playful, completely sure of oneself). When I get a chance I wanna find out how this works during the day.

Trying this during the day decreases its effectiveness. However, it may work under certain conditions. Women typically do not agree to spontaneous sex with a stranger in the middle of sunny weather, where she just had lunch or grabbed a cup of coffee. Maybe when it's snowing, foggy, or cold day and raining.

I have only been successful at this 1x! It was at a concert, the girl was already having a great time, had a few drinks, and her friends were nowhere to be found. So, I just said, the hell with your friends, come and have some fun with me instead over there on the beach..she looked me up and down, and said "OK".

Everything has to be perfect for her to agree to this:

1. She must be having a good time throughout the night
2. Her friends must NEVER find out OR be barriers between you and her (Isolate)
3. You must frame her mind that you are a)safe and b) very sexual in minutes!
4. Did I mention nobody must even find out? =)
5. Logistics must be fantastic! The further out you are from your fuck-pad, the more you risk of her regretting her decision "You know, maybe this is not such a good idea, take me back" buyers REMORSE!!

** Your encounter MUST BE NO MORE THAN 10 MINS away walking or driving to the place you will bang! My sex venue was the back of my car on the beach itself! Getting her back to my apt would have been too long, a 20 minute drive, and searching for a hotel makes her feel like a hooker!


Mixx

[el mechanico]

(02-24-2012 10:28 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:10 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Tried something similar with eight girls last night at a club. All pretty much just blushed and made an excuse as to why they couldn't. Most were surprisingly friendly about it. Body language seems to be the main thing (calm, playful, completely sure of oneself). When I get a chance I wanna find out how this works during the day.

Trying this during the day decreases its effectiveness. Woen do not go out doing crazy shit in the middle of sunny weather, where she just had lunch or grabbed a cup of coffee.

I have ONLy been successful at this 1x! It was at a concert, the girl was already having a great time, had a few drinks, and her friends were nowhere to be found. So, I just said, the hell with yrou friends, come and have some fun with me instead at my place...she looked me up and down, and said "OK".

Everything has to be perfect for her to agree to this:

1. She must be having a good time throughout the night
2. Her friends must NEVER find out or be barriers between you and her (Isolate)
3. You must frame her mind that you are a)safe and b) very sexual in minutes!
4. Did I mention nobody must even find out? =)
5. Logistics must be fantastic! The further out you are form your fuck-pad, the more you risk of her regretting her decision "You know, maybe this is not such a good idea, take me back" buyers REMORSE!!

** You venue to fuck MUST BE NO MOR ETHAN 10 MINS away walking or driving! My venue was the back of my car on the beach itself!


Mixx

Please explain how you fuck in the back of that car? The seats only fold halfway and you have to keep the hatch open because of clearance in the back. Even with the front seat up all the way there's barely enough room for a toddler. The bottoms are molded in with a huge hump in the center for the transfer tube witch gets burning hot on Turbo cars. I've tried before. The best way was in the passenger seat.

[MiXX]

(02-24-2012 10:35 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Please explain how you fuck in the back of that car?

I just sat up. and she rode me in the passenger seat, it was not great SEX, BUT IT WAS SEX NONETHELESS. We only did it for about 20 mins and she ran back to her friends.

MIxx

[el mechanico]

(02-24-2012 10:37 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:35 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Please explain how you fuck in the back of that car?

I just sat up. and she rode me in the passenger seat, it was not great SEX, BUT IT WAS SEX NONETHELESS. We only did it for about 20 mins and she ran back to her friends.

MIxx

Take the sunroof off at the beach. Off. When you get one in the car you could bend her over and use the roof of the car to brace yourself or if you don't care you could bend her over with her hands on the tunnel and stick your whole body out of the roof.

[silent_scope]

(02-23-2012 05:34 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

anyone notice that not one single guy that has flat out asked for sex directly in the first 5 minutes of meeting a girl has EVER gotten slapped or painfully rejected? Women are nice about it, almost to the point of almost accepting your request.

This part right here is interesting...

[soup]

Mixx- are you out there?

Come back man!

[Pacesetter20]

(04-23-2012 07:54 AM)soup Wrote:  

Mixx- are you out there?

Come back man!

Skip to 6:38. What's the over/under for how many Roosh V'ers have a "come back Mixx/G Manifesto" sign out their window. 5? 10?

"Mixx. Mixx. Mixx. Mixx."

"G. G. G. G."

Actually, I kind of think it would be funny if someone paradied this for the forum. Any takers?

[Sourcecode]

In memory of mixx..
I will give this opener 10 attempts tonight

[zarzuelazen]

(02-23-2012 05:34 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

anyone notice that not one single guy that has flat out asked for sex directly in the first 5 minutes of meeting a girl has EVER gotten slapped or painfully rejected? Women are nice about it, almost to the point of almost accepting your request.

there has to be some missing key that makes them take the dive, I must find it!


Mixx

From the reports, the AO doesn't work as given. At this point, I'm proposing my patented variation, which I will call AOZ

AO (Z variation):

Add the following elements to the standard AO:

(1) Offer to give them 'lessons' in something
(2) Make the offer slightly humorous/ironic/outrageous

Examples:

'I'll tutor you in English if you come home with me'
'I'll teach you mathematics if you teach me French kissing'
'Come home with me and I'll give you knitting lessons'

You are:
(1) setting up a master-student frame
(2) disarming inhibitions with unexpected humor
(3) still maintaining the empty syntax of plausible deniability

[elabayarde]

(02-02-2010 10:34 AM)edgun Wrote:  

anyone who has had experience with the AO post some more stories!

I'm thinking about trying this one out this weekend.

I had success with this four times but it is kinda outdated(2004-2005). This was in maryland, and I actually had friends there to witness it. I almost dont want to post one of them, because I looked like a jerk, but things were getting ugly.

All were in or outside of a mall. and the age range was 18-20 yrs

#1 A girls friend initiated contact with me, in the mall. Telling me.. " She think your cute." MY responds well if thats so... Blah Blah blah.
Her friends mouth dropped, and she said do u really want me to say that her. I gave her the stone cold look, as if she was crazy for hesitating. The friend reported this to her friend and the other girl stormed over to me. At this point I was nervous.

She then said, "did you really say that"!!!

My responds, "Yes",(with a stone face and then I made the gesture which is a quick look to the left with my eyeballs, while keeping my face straight on her). It makes people feel like they said something stupid.
I hope I described this gesture correctly. It's very effective.

Her: Let me think about it.
Weeepaaaaa!!!!

I'll write the others later. But they all play out that way. One involved me jumping in a chicks second store window later..... That ish was hilarious and stupid!!! I was a crazy 19-20 yr old.

Im in my mid 20s now, and I'm not sure If it will play out that way nowadays. I think maybe if I dress it up, better and make it more tasteful it could fly. IDK.

Im in DC right now, and I will probably step to the plate and try this next weds when I am free. I am a little wary being thats it DC, but hell im leaving for good soon.