[Roosh]

It takes everything we hate and shoves it into one article...

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/09/...esto-2012/

Quote:

We men have listened to and learned from women. We often forget to give women the credit they are due, and sometimes claim their ideas as our own. But the heart of this growing men’s movement rests in the intelligence, kindness, confrontation and love from the strong women in our lives.

We are men and boys who are proud to be working to stop male violence.

We are proud to be men who welcome non-traditional expressions of what it means to be a man. We will be our own role models, applauding each non-traditional male role model who appears in film and television. As representations of manhood diversify, we will welcome the by-product of such diversity—acceptance and celebration of all varieties of manhood.

We are proud to be gay men and bisexual men. We are proud to be heterosexual men working to end homophobia.

We are proud to be transgender men.

We are proud to be African-American, Latino, Asian/Pacific Islander, Native American men. We are proud to be white male allies against racism and sexism.

We are proud to have survived violence ourselves. We are rape and incest survivors, survivors of intimate partner violence at the hands of women and men.

We work to end all violence against all people, even as we work to end the epidemic of male violence against girls and women.

We love other men. We will boldly express our love of other men with hugs, tears, high-fives, handshakes, holding hands and kisses—sometimes with sex. We will sometimes choose a man as a beloved life partner.

Last paragraph really bugged me.

Written by a woman's studies professor...

http://72.32.34.202/projects/speakersful...entryid=30

[Cincinnatus]

[Tuthmosis]

That's basically this bullshit, in writing:

[Tuthmosis]

Would you bang? I'd throw in a hypothetical $250.

   

   

[Deluge]

The author: Ben Atheron-Zeman

[teh_skeeze]

I'd fuck her if you and a few others threw down $250 each. Hell, make it $500 a piece and I'll take pictures.

[Roosh]

The Ben guy just posted an excerpt from her book. Doesn't give him a free pass, of course.

[Veloce]

There's a tone in these ultra-liberal pieces that's reminiscent of group-think expressed in numerous government programs such as the war on drugs and Prohibition.

Rather than break down that assertion, I'll get straight to the point:

Real men are a dying breed. Like alcohol during Prohibition, or Marijuana during the war on drugs, Red-pill adherents are going to turn into a hot commodity.

Sure, some women will swallow the Kool-aid and follow the leader, allow herself to believe she wants some gender neutral hipster with 10 facial piercings.

But I believe a significant population of women, and the women worth fucking and dating, will never, EVER want anything other than a man's man, a testosterone driven full-maned lion ready to throw down some serious dick on her.

I can foresee men's culture dividing heavily here, with metrosexual manginas getting more and more feminized, and those of us who understand what it means to be a man becoming more masculine.

[el mechanico]

I was reading some posts here from guys that read this stuff and become bitter. I'll admit that before I came here I didn't know any of this stuff existed but did know none of my girls were making me food and pushing for LTRs all the time which seemed un-natural to me but ok for everyone else which left me scratching my head so I turned to the internet to check it out.

Now. At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it? I'm not saying I don't get a kick out of it but maybe the younger guys are going to take it too much to heart and it's going to actually hurt their game/success.

[Veloce]

(09-22-2012 10:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I was reading some posts here from guys that read this stuff and become bitter. I'll admit that before I came here I didn't know any of this stuff existed but did know none of my girls were making me food and pushing for LTRs all the time which seemed un-natural to me but ok for everyone else which left me scratching my head so I turned to the internet to check it out.

Now. At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it? I'm not saying I don't get a kick out of it but maybe the younger guys are going to take it too much to heart and it's going to actually hurt their game/success.

Agree. I think it's best we all just shake our heads at the state of affairs in the "outside" world. Hopefully those of us on the boards have enough experience in the trenches to know better than to get down and out over this nonsense.

When you have girls with traditional values begging for your cock, doing your laundry, and bringing you food, it makes articles like these pretty irrelevant. Punditry at its best.

[Roosh]

Quote:

At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it?

I think in the end these types of articles are (1) entertainment and (2) validation that American guys aren't entirely to blame for failing to find a thin, feminine girlfriend who treats them well. \n
We hate on these people but we act more than any other of the manosphere guys (men's rights, mgtow, etc.).

[bacon]

did you notice the author Ben Atherton-Zeman has a hyphenated name

[SVK]

Yeah, this is atrocious and not even worthy to comment on.

However, one thing I noticed in the feminist circles lately: the terms "epidemic of violence against women" and "rape culture".
I didn't look at any hard data, but due to laws and general attitude I would assume that violence against women is the lowest it has ever been, at least in America. It might be reported more (or even falsely overreported), but I the total estimates must be way lower than e.g. 50 years ago when there were few repercussions for domestic violence and it was even somewhat tolerated. If anything there's been an epidemic of domestic violence against men in the later years - and men often hesitate to defend themselves due to possible legal trouble.
The same with "rape culture" - sexual harassment was quite tolerated 50 years ago, these days you would think it's worse than murder. Surely this so called "rape culture" must have been in decline in America. I'd suggest taking a trip to a warzone in Africa for a taste of what real "rape culture" looks like.

[Hannibal]

Well, sure, it did hurt my game initially to read all the manosphere stuff. It made me really bitter about women. But it's not a bad idea to tell the younger guys about it because some of them are going to be politicians who hopefully do something about all the anti-man legislation going on. If shit really hits the fan, I'm just going to protest the gender equity bullshit by moving to another country.

It's not like these women and she-men don't deserve our contempt. They don't deserve our attention, they aren't worth validation, they shouldn't have thousands (millions?) of men and women mimicking their retarded musings, and they sure as hell do not set a good example for children. Game is great and all, but for those of us who want to have a family some day, it doesn't pay to have them grow up in this feminist garbage. They internalize that shit for life. I don't want my future daughter to have this facade of masculine attitude and I absolutely do not want my son to emulate dipshits like Ben Atherton-Zeman because everyone else encourages him to.

[oregonziggy]

That was quite the article! Wow I didn't know being a man, I was part of the problem regardless of the fact I have never done anything violent to anyone ever.
These articles used to piss me off but now I am over it. Making my plans to leave America, planning some trips next year and just started at a company that has offices in Europe. As soon as I can snag a job anywhere in Europe I am out of here.

Sadly I think America is just going to get way worse for men. Real men anyways.

[RichieP]

(09-22-2012 10:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Now. At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it? I'm not saying I don't get a kick out of it but maybe the younger guys are going to take it too much to heart and it's going to actually hurt their game/success.

I second that. I love this forum but I've noticed a side effect since joining has been taking on abit of a darker, cynical view that actually I dont think is empowering. When everyone is bitter, it's hard not to absorb some of that yourself.

Maybe it's better to post empowering masculine stuff than keep focussing on the negatives... since we're talking about real masculinity, what is the empowered, masculine thing to do when you come across an article like this?

IMO it's to kinda laugh heartily at this stuff, maybe even have some compassion for what's underneath it (i.e. this guy got castrated somewhere along the line, and feminazis got wounded pretty deeply at some point to become that angry and unhappy), and then dismiss it and go about your business.

I'd like to see more of a focus on awesome, healthy masculine resources rather than examples of this stuff or the constant war of extremes (feminazis vs "fuck-you-bitch" manosphere backlash). Im happy to contribute some stuff.

[Chapped3rdEye]

Quote:

We are proud to be African-American, Latino, Asian/Pacific Islander, Native American men. We are proud to be white male allies against racism and sexism.

This makes me want Schutzstaffel bolts tatted on my neck. Even if I got down with the whole white ribbon movement I've gotta settle for being a "male ally"?

[NYJ]

(09-25-2012 04:31 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

(09-22-2012 10:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Now. At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it? I'm not saying I don't get a kick out of it but maybe the younger guys are going to take it too much to heart and it's going to actually hurt their game/success.

I second that. I love this forum but I've noticed a side effect since joining has been taking on abit of a darker, cynical view that actually I dont think is empowering. When everyone is bitter, it's hard not to absorb some of that yourself.

Maybe it's better to post empowering masculine stuff than keep focussing on the negatives... since we're talking about real masculinity, what is the empowered, masculine thing to do when you come across an article like this?

IMO it's to kinda laugh heartily at this stuff, maybe even have some compassion for what's underneath it (i.e. this guy got castrated somewhere along the line, and feminazis got wounded pretty deeply at some point to become that angry and unhappy), and then dismiss it and go about your business.

I'd like to see more of a focus on awesome, healthy masculine resources rather than examples of this stuff or the constant war of extremes (feminazis vs "fuck-you-bitch" manosphere backlash). Im happy to contribute some stuff.

Same here. Thought I was the only one who became/ still is to a point a bit bitter when it comes to dealing with women. However, I rather be like this than to be naive and not jaded. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Aliblahba]

(09-26-2012 11:49 AM)NYJ Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 04:31 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

(09-22-2012 10:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Now. At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it? I'm not saying I don't get a kick out of it but maybe the younger guys are going to take it too much to heart and it's going to actually hurt their game/success.

I second that. I love this forum but I've noticed a side effect since joining has been taking on abit of a darker, cynical view that actually I dont think is empowering. When everyone is bitter, it's hard not to absorb some of that yourself.

Maybe it's better to post empowering masculine stuff than keep focussing on the negatives... since we're talking about real masculinity, what is the empowered, masculine thing to do when you come across an article like this?

IMO it's to kinda laugh heartily at this stuff, maybe even have some compassion for what's underneath it (i.e. this guy got castrated somewhere along the line, and feminazis got wounded pretty deeply at some point to become that angry and unhappy), and then dismiss it and go about your business.

I'd like to see more of a focus on awesome, healthy masculine resources rather than examples of this stuff or the constant war of extremes (feminazis vs "fuck-you-bitch" manosphere backlash). Im happy to contribute some stuff.

Same here. Thought I was the only one who became/ still is to a point a bit bitter when it comes to dealing with women. However, I rather be like this than to be naive and not jaded. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Yo tambien.

[Samseau]

(09-26-2012 11:51 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-26-2012 11:49 AM)NYJ Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 04:31 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

(09-22-2012 10:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Now. At this state here where we all know what's up do you guys think maybe it may be a good idea to just totally ignore all this crap and continue operating above it? I'm not saying I don't get a kick out of it but maybe the younger guys are going to take it too much to heart and it's going to actually hurt their game/success.

I second that. I love this forum but I've noticed a side effect since joining has been taking on abit of a darker, cynical view that actually I dont think is empowering. When everyone is bitter, it's hard not to absorb some of that yourself.

Maybe it's better to post empowering masculine stuff than keep focussing on the negatives... since we're talking about real masculinity, what is the empowered, masculine thing to do when you come across an article like this?

IMO it's to kinda laugh heartily at this stuff, maybe even have some compassion for what's underneath it (i.e. this guy got castrated somewhere along the line, and feminazis got wounded pretty deeply at some point to become that angry and unhappy), and then dismiss it and go about your business.

I'd like to see more of a focus on awesome, healthy masculine resources rather than examples of this stuff or the constant war of extremes (feminazis vs "fuck-you-bitch" manosphere backlash). Im happy to contribute some stuff.

Same here. Thought I was the only one who became/ still is to a point a bit bitter when it comes to dealing with women. However, I rather be like this than to be naive and not jaded. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Yo tambien.

"The truth will set you free."

The bitterness is temporary at worst. At best, men on this forum learn what to reject and what to accept in order to better their lives.



Back to the article...

Quote:

We are proud to be transgender men.

What the fuck is a transgender man? If you're transgender, you aren't a man. Perfect example of liberal left-wing Obama doublespeak.

[soup]

(09-22-2012 09:52 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

There's a tone in these ultra-liberal pieces that's reminiscent of group-think expressed in numerous government programs such as the war on drugs and Prohibition.

Rather than break down that assertion, I'll get straight to the point:

Real men are a dying breed. Like alcohol during Prohibition, or Marijuana during the war on drugs, Red-pill adherents are going to turn into a hot commodity.

Sure, some women will swallow the Kool-aid and follow the leader, allow herself to believe she wants some gender neutral hipster with 10 facial piercings.

But I believe a significant population of women, and the women worth fucking and dating, will never, EVER want anything other than a man's man, a testosterone driven full-maned lion ready to throw down some serious dick on her.

I can foresee men's culture dividing heavily here, with metrosexual manginas getting more and more feminized, and those of us who understand what it means to be a man becoming more masculine.

I agree, but I think it's the attitude of this man that is most attractive to women.

[raliv]

My nephew was just born not 3 hours ago. He will be born into a family oriented Christian conservative family.

And then I read this garbage written by someone who already hates who he is and what my family stands for: pro family, pro patriarchy, pro masculine men and feminine women. My sisters were raised to be mothers and wives and raise kids. My brothers and I were raised to be leaders, protectors, and providers.

And THIS GARBAGE comes out.

I think the terrorists are right: this country has become the Great Satan. Leftism is a tool invented by people who hate the West.