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Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts
#51

Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

Ok, I received my distance and reading glasses this weekend, have now begun wearing them full time.

First, my eyeglass prescription written out by my ophthalmologist:

OD: -4.25 -0.50 x 160
OS: -4.75 -0.50 x 030

I've ordered the following distance glasses and reading glasses from Zenni:

Distance:
OD - Right (SPH) -4.0 (CYL) -0.25 Axis 160.0
OS - Left (SPH) -4.25 (CYL) -0.25 Axis 30.0

Reading:
OD - Right (SPH) -3.0 (CYL) 0.0 Axis 0.0
OS - Left (SPH) -3.25 (CYL) 0.0 Axis 0.0

I've also begun doing print pushing, at least once a day. I'll keep you updated after I've made improvements.
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Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

Quote: (06-11-2018 04:14 PM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  

Ok, I received my distance and reading glasses this weekend, have now begun wearing them full time.

First, my eyeglass prescription written out by my ophthalmologist:

OD: -4.25 -0.50 x 160
OS: -4.75 -0.50 x 030

I've ordered the following distance glasses and reading glasses from Zenni:

Distance:
OD - Right (SPH) -4.0 (CYL) -0.25 Axis 160.0
OS - Left (SPH) -4.25 (CYL) -0.25 Axis 30.0

Reading:
OD - Right (SPH) -3.0 (CYL) 0.0 Axis 0.0
OS - Left (SPH) -3.25 (CYL) 0.0 Axis 0.0

I've also begun doing print pushing, at least once a day. I'll keep you updated after I've made improvements.

Just a word of caution, especially with the left eye there, I tried multiple focal plane changes with my first pair I got from eyebuydirect, and I just couldn't handle it, the headaches were too bad. That is to say, dropping both sphere and cylinder in one go. I bit off more than I could chew.

Had to do one, then the other. Especially with half diopter sphere drop and quarter cylinder drop in the left eye. YMMV of course, so would like to hear the immediate feedback too.

What material are you using for print pushing, out of curiosity?

On my side, fully adjusted to that cylinder drop with no complications. I think my plan of attack here is to keep seeing what happens with cylinder reduction, keeping sphere constant. Distance is blurry with my differentials which I wear full time, and that's gonna be the way it is for a while, so no more sphere reduction for some time.

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#53

Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

For anyone considering Lasik - YOU MUST checkout monovision.

Just one (dominant) eye corrected for distance, like a monocle. 1/2 price, and means many extra years of freedom for reading glasses.
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Quote: (07-31-2018 12:13 AM)PixelFree Wrote:  

For anyone considering Lasik - YOU MUST checkout monovision.

Just one (dominant) eye corrected for distance, like a monocle. 1/2 price, and means many extra years of freedom for reading glasses.

I had LASIK 21 years ago and they undercorrected my left eye so that I have a mild monovision. I still don't need reading glasses.
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I've since moved down my prescription to -3.25 in both eyes. I was at -3.75, but I was pretty much 20/25, so I bumped down to -3.25.

Obviously this is a hard slog, so I anticipate being at -3.25 for a few months. I've noticed that if I work on active focus and am outside a lot that my vision is noticeably better. It obviously diminishes if I'm sitting in front of the computer a lot. I'm hoping for incremental improvements, and damnit I need to watch more of Jake Steiner's videos to get tips, but it's tedious to watch them.
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#56

Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

Interestingly enough I find that water fasting improved myopia for me, the difference in a week was astounding. Clarity at a distance was increased substantially.
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#57

Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

Current prescription is as follows:

Right Eye
-4.25
-1.25

Left Eye
-4.25
-1.25

My sphere/strength is going to be constant for quite awhile. I've been at 4.25 since Feb, and just have not felt any progress on that front. These are my differentials, which I wear full time, so the blur horizon is fairly close. Stuff that blurs out at a certain distance just isn't getting any clearer. I have had more success attacking my astigmatism though. I am now down over a full diopter on that front from when I started, and my eyes seem to be responding all right.

My current plan is to continue drawing down the cylinder .25 at a time and hopefully eliminate it, perhaps by this time next year, holding at 4.25. Even without any reduction in power, the total elimination and correction of astigmatism naturally will be a huge victory.

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#58

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Another half a year, another update.

Right Eye
-4.50
-0.50

Left Eye
-4.50
-0.50

I increased my sphere power one step because the draw down in astigmatism cylinder was really starting to affect vision. I am continuing to wear differentials as glasses only, several months between each tiny step. In another few months, right on schedule (from my last post), I think I will be able to eliminate astigmatism entirely. I may have to increase sphere again to 4.75, but it will be worth it to totally eliminate the toric focus. Then my glasses and contacts will be cheaper too!

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#59

Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

Quote: (05-31-2018 11:17 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  

- Try to watch the videos and read the articles on Jake's website. They're all over the place and not in any order, which is likely on purpose and brilliant on Jake's part. He's basically saying that all of the information you need is for free on his website, but it's so disorganized that you can pay me to give it to you in a step-by-step program with some personal coaching on the side.

Can you or someone who has gone through Jake's website (endmyopia) post a recommended reading list in order please.
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Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

Quote: (08-02-2018 12:25 PM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  

I've since moved down my prescription to -3.25 in both eyes. I was at -3.75, but I was pretty much 20/25, so I bumped down to -3.25.

Obviously this is a hard slog, so I anticipate being at -3.25 for a few months. I've noticed that if I work on active focus and am outside a lot that my vision is noticeably better. It obviously diminishes if I'm sitting in front of the computer a lot. I'm hoping for incremental improvements, and damnit I need to watch more of Jake Steiner's videos to get tips, but it's tedious to watch them.


Any update on your eyes Rachacha?
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#61

Correcting Vision Without Glasses/Contacts

I haven't been following the thread but I thought I'd add something that might help.

I used to be -2.0 in both eyes. I had my dominant eye lasik corrected to 0.0 for distance (monovision), and left the non-dominant eye at -2.0.

Monovision is the way to go for anyone considering laser correction - you trade off by getting 95%+ of your maximum distance vision in exchange for avoiding/delaying reading glasses in old age.

Anyway, after 10+ years like this, my non-dominant eye has improved and it also almost perfect 0.0!
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(04-28-2017, 05:40 AM)Valentine Wrote:  Found this site around vision improvement, looks like it might be the same Jake from earlier:

http://endmyopia.org/

Haven't tried it yet personally but the science behind it is pretty sound, a big part of it is that people are using too strong corrective lenses and that worsens our eyes. We get tested under dark conditions reading distant letters but typically are reading our laptop screens two foot away in bright light. Weaker corrective lenses and some exercises are the solution.

He's got a very active Facebook group too:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/560893680770705

Been doing something like the Endmyopia method since 2018.

I started with -4.75 sphere and -1.75 cylinder in both eyes.

Currently I am wearing -4 both eyes as my normalized, although I would not say I have perfect vision with them (yet). My astigmatism is the biggest challenge to fix currently, and the site's advice on Astigmatism reduction isn't very organized/solidified. I've only recently understood that I have been doing the method wrong in terms of the stig reduction, and I should have focused more on spherical reductions to begin with, but hey, my eyesight is improving, so I'll just do what I'm doing until it stops working, then I'll troubleshoot.

In summary, the Endmyopia method requires:
- Reduced daily activities involving close up focus, i.e. must reduce smartphone usage, tablet usage, laptop usage, reading, etc.
- Increased daily activities involving outside time (with adequate sunshine time) and distance focus, i.e. walking, hiking, kite-surfing, etc
- If correction is required for work, and work requires sustained close up vision activities, then wear a special pair of glasses (called differentials) that are just slightly underpowered for doing the work. In other words, the words on the screen should be slightly blurry but if you blink, that slight film of tear fluid should be enough to clear up the blurriness substantially. This activity of blinking and seeing the blur reduce is referred to as 'Active Focus', as in you have to put in some effort to see clearly.
- Once you are used to wearing differentials, then usual glasses for distance vision should be reduced in power slightly, so that things in the distance are slightly blurry, but can be cleared up with blinking. These are referred to as normalised glasses.
- Vision improvement is a painstakingly slow progress, so slow that it's hard to notice the week-by-week improvements in your vision. Therefore it is highly recommend that the vision should be measured, by using Snellen charts and also measuring distance to blur using a tape measure (while either not wearing glasses or wearing differentials). It is awkward measuring the distance to blur at first and it's unlikely to be highly accurate, but once one standardizes their personal method, what matters is the ability to measure trends rather than the exact measurement. Record these measurements for tracking and troubleshooting purposes. Varakari's vision log tool is excellent for this purpose (available here: https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Varakari%27s_Vision_Log_Tool )
- Reductions should generally follow first in the differentials, then in the normalised. Spherical reductions can be attempted about every 4 months, assuming your vision is improving. Astigmatism reductions are unpredictable, and will take around 6 months to successfully complete.
- The priority should be to reduce spherical strength, at least 2 spherical reductions per cylinder reduction, but more might be advisable. I myself kind of ignored this rule and have focused mostly on astigmatism reduction, which may be to my detriment or not. I did find that my chronic eye pain greatly improved on dropping the stig correction, which is the major reason why I have focused on the stig reductions vs the spherical reductions.

I should stress that merely reducing the strength of your glasses is not considered to be the key to improving one's vision. It is those lifestyle changes (reduced close up, increased distance vision) that improve vision. Reducing lens strength is merely there to help give your eyes wiggle room to change.

Anyway, I hope this summary helps someone! The Endmyopia wiki is very helpful, probably better than the actual website. The podcast is also useful.
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