[jackson.henley]

I never realized until recently that Mcveigh had extreme trouble finding a gf in the early 90s. from wikipedia:

The long hours in a dead-end job, the feeling that he did not have a home and his failure to establish a relationship with a woman brought McVeigh to the breaking point. He sought romance, but was rejected by a co-worker and still felt nervous around women. He felt he brought too much pain to his loved ones. He grew angry and frustrated at his difficulties in finding a girlfriend and took up obsessive gambling.

According to his biography, he said, “his only sustaining relief from his unsatisfied sex drive was his even stronger desire to die."

Well done women, you could have saved 168 +1 lives. but I guess a decorated, intelligent, service man did not get your juices flowing.

American women really are stupid bitches and this shit has consequences (for all).

[j r]

I don't know. How about we blame McVeigh for his lack of game... and you know, for actually being the one who killed 168 people?

Blaming entire groups of people for one person's actions is a little to sociological for me.

[speakeasy]

This is interesting background info and I had never known about this. On the other hand this kind of thing seems to be becoming more common amongst MRA types, blaming women for any evils a man perpetrates. There are plenty of sexually frustrated men that don't become mass murdering terrorists.

[Hannibal]

What is a TFLer?

[Giovonny]

It was his own fault for not working on his game.

[username]

TFL = Total Freaking Loser? or
True Forced Loneliness?

[porscheguy]

(08-14-2012 11:11 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  

What is a TFLer?

My guess would be total fucking loser.

[Giovonny]

All these guys killing innocent people are fucking gameless loser pussies.

They are also stupid because all they had to do was move to Thailand or Cambodia or the Phillipines or The DR and they would be getting some pussy for cheap. And, they are lazy for not working on themselves. And, they are cowards for taking that way out of their problems.

I have more respect for the 25 year old virgin on this forum working hard on his game. The first rule in life is "Try Hard".

These pussies gave up. Young, middle class, white Americans, they had everything they needed to be successful and they were to stupid to realize it.

[Parlay44]

He's no different than all the sexually frustrated Muslim terrorists that blow themselves up.
If you read his manifesto you'll see that he goes on and on about all the idiosyncrasies and
misjustices in the world.

He just had a hard time resolving the hypocrisies in life in his mind.

A famous line from the Godfather movies I like: "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, senator,
but never think it applies to my family. "

[durangotang]

"Those are the most dangerous people... dudes that didn't get laid." - Louis CK

[polymath]

(08-14-2012 02:06 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

He's no different than all the sexually frustrated Muslim terrorists that blow themselves up.

It's a little different when your neighborhood has been displaced or demolished by a foreign military, or your community can't function because there's been a war in your country for the past few years. You don't have to sympathize with Muslim terrorists to know that they aren't the same as McVeigh.

This kind of comparison between violent people is unwise. It's usually wrong and always glosses over the intricacies of different cultures and conflicts.

I won't pretend to know what drove McVeigh to kill 168 people in a building 30 minutes from my hometown, but I won't pretend it was something trivial like a lack of pussy either. Plenty of guys go through life without sex, and don't harm anyone as a result.

[Merenguero]

This guy's primary problem was not lack of game, failure to have sex with women, or inability to have a sucessful relationship. His problem was that he was seriously fucked up in the head from birth and was never properly diagnosed or medicated. The rejection by women and/or inability to attract women without a doubt exacerbated his existing problems. I read somewhere that he did pull some girls, but that he sought a relationship and the girls he had sex with didn't want anything to do with him after the sex.

[travolta]

(08-14-2012 08:38 AM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

American women really are stupid bitches and this shit has consequences (for all).

How is this relevant to anything.

I don't understand why this forum likes to relate EVERYTHING to American women. I'm not a big fan of American women. I like foreign women WAY more, but it's absurd to blame something like the original topic of this thread on American women.

Blaming "American Women" on everything is most likely just bitterness at not being able to bang American women.

[Timoteo]

McVeigh also carried scars from his time in the military. He was angry at our government for some of the things he saw American soldiers doing in the Middle East, and became disillusioned by what he saw. Remember, he hit a government building for a reason. My mother worked for Social Security Administration in NY at the time, and remembers that they lost contact with the Oklahoma City office, only to find out the building had been blown up. Her office sent her home for fear that it was a terrorist attack from the usual suspects, only to find out it was one of our own. McVeigh couldn't get ass because he was a weird, awkward, loner type with serious emotional/mental issues.

[Excelsior]

(08-14-2012 08:38 AM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

Well done women, you could have saved 168 +1 lives. but I guess a decorated, intelligent, service man did not get your juices flowing.

American women really are stupid bitches and this shit has consequences (for all).

While I am no stranger to the flaws of many western women, this is ridiculous.

We cannot put the weight of those lives on the collective female populace. At that point, we're essentially saying that any one of the unknown (probably large) number of women he came across in his life was obligated to a) find him attractive, b) screw him, regardless of what he was like (ex: he could have abrasively rejected/turned off women who showed interest and/or been pathetically gameless-is that their fault?). This is unreasonable and, frankly, quite absurd-while I agree that some of the 400 point checklists we see from many women are ridiculous, they maintain no obligation to put out for any given guy just because he is breathing.

If you're a man who must rely on such forced sexual egalitarianism in order to avoid going off the rails, then you have many other problems and your manhood ought to be questioned. Grown men have a responsibility to be attractive to women if they want them (read: GAME), just as we insist on their responsibility to try and appeal to us if they'd like to get together (try not to blow up, dress nicely, be feminine, etc). This logic you're using totally ignores the male end of that bargain, and is thus the logical equivalent of many forms of feminism we complain about (which ignore the female end).

Both are unacceptable.

[speakeasy]

Beautifully put, Athlone.

[polymath]

(08-15-2012 12:16 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Grown men have a responsibility to be attractive to women if they want them (read: GAME), just as we insist on their responsibility to try and appeal to us if they'd like to get together (try not to blow up, dress nicely, be feminine, etc).

Sharp thinking.

[Samseau]

We can't all be winners in the dating game. Living in world without marriage means there will be men like Tim McVeigh.

That said, why blame just women? It's not like the men did anything to prevent the decline.

[JofSuperman]

Seems like most serial killers, kill because of their struggles with girls.

I saw on TV that the Colorado killer was supposedly on Adult Friend Finder.