I am still seeing the girl that I discussed earlier in this thread (call her Belize girl):
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8606.html
(Correction, with further consideration the girl is more like a 7 or 7.5 than 8.5, as I said in the original thread.)
Since that first post, I've had an entire long term relationship with another girl. And probably fucked about six other girls.
Anyway, after the LTR ended, I reached out the Belize girl. We've gradually started seeing each other more and more. She says that we're "dating" although I'm allowed to see other people. (And I continue to see several other people.) I've gone to bars with her, spent all weekend with her drinking, slept with her three different times, and gone to her family boathouse for a weekend on the lake.
But here's the problem: no sex. I have not fucked this girl. (Our first time sleeping together, I made the beginner's mistake of taking my boxers off before she got naked. I also said some sweet things, thinking sex was guaranteed and it was safe now - never again.) This is very unusual for me, to be this late into dating/seeing a girl and no sex. We have made out about a dozen times. But when I grab her tit, she gently pushes my hand away. Half the time I go to kiss her or grab her tit, she laughs a little - but then continues making out with me anyway. And several times, we've made out and then she abruptly stops and says she has to go. (Notably, when we open-mouth kiss, even though the kisses are pretty heavy, she's pretty conservative with the tongue.)
Consider our last "date":
1. she invites herself over to my place, alone
2. we eat Mexican food together (she pays for both of us)
3. we watch Beerfest together
4. we each drink about six beers
5. we go in the hot tub together. She keeps her distance on the other side of the hot tub.
6. we start another DVD together, this time her legs across my lap, with my hand stroking her thigh
7. she nuzzles up against me
8. she says she likes me rubbing her neck, and wants a massage
9. I ask her to take off her shirt, which she does (she has a tank top undershirt on), lather her baby oil, and give her a massage
10. I say it's her turn to give me a massage, I take off my shirt, and she gives me an equally good massage
11. I turn around, pin her on the couch, and start making out with her - she smiles
12. After about 2 minutes, I look around for a pillow to make her head comfortable - she stands up and tells me she has to go because she has to wake up at 7 am
In other words, after IOI after IOI after IOI, I go to make out with her, and she makes out with me for less than 2 minutes and then abruptly leaves. This is about the third time that this has happened.
Normally, I wouldn't care quite as much, but I'm pretty attracted to this girl, and I always have been.
One clue: once when we were dining, she started talking about evolutionary psychology. She said that when men kiss women, they transmit testosterone to make the girl want to have sex, and that women test out a man's biochemistry (somehow). She also said that she's been burned in past relationships by having sex too soon, then feeling emotionally caught in relationships that she knows she should have ended.
That is my best guess for her behavior. But she seems to take it to a weird extreme.
Several people have told me to confront her about this. I'm pretty sure that if I did that I would fail some kind of state-control and outcome-independence test. I'm also pretty sure that it's about the least sexy conversation you can have with a girl (why won't you fuck me?). So I will just play it cool for now, keep dating other women, and not worry about the outcome. But it sure fucks with my head. Any advice is appreciated.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8606.html
(Correction, with further consideration the girl is more like a 7 or 7.5 than 8.5, as I said in the original thread.)
Since that first post, I've had an entire long term relationship with another girl. And probably fucked about six other girls.
Anyway, after the LTR ended, I reached out the Belize girl. We've gradually started seeing each other more and more. She says that we're "dating" although I'm allowed to see other people. (And I continue to see several other people.) I've gone to bars with her, spent all weekend with her drinking, slept with her three different times, and gone to her family boathouse for a weekend on the lake.
But here's the problem: no sex. I have not fucked this girl. (Our first time sleeping together, I made the beginner's mistake of taking my boxers off before she got naked. I also said some sweet things, thinking sex was guaranteed and it was safe now - never again.) This is very unusual for me, to be this late into dating/seeing a girl and no sex. We have made out about a dozen times. But when I grab her tit, she gently pushes my hand away. Half the time I go to kiss her or grab her tit, she laughs a little - but then continues making out with me anyway. And several times, we've made out and then she abruptly stops and says she has to go. (Notably, when we open-mouth kiss, even though the kisses are pretty heavy, she's pretty conservative with the tongue.)
Consider our last "date":
1. she invites herself over to my place, alone
2. we eat Mexican food together (she pays for both of us)
3. we watch Beerfest together
4. we each drink about six beers
5. we go in the hot tub together. She keeps her distance on the other side of the hot tub.
6. we start another DVD together, this time her legs across my lap, with my hand stroking her thigh
7. she nuzzles up against me
8. she says she likes me rubbing her neck, and wants a massage
9. I ask her to take off her shirt, which she does (she has a tank top undershirt on), lather her baby oil, and give her a massage
10. I say it's her turn to give me a massage, I take off my shirt, and she gives me an equally good massage
11. I turn around, pin her on the couch, and start making out with her - she smiles
12. After about 2 minutes, I look around for a pillow to make her head comfortable - she stands up and tells me she has to go because she has to wake up at 7 am
In other words, after IOI after IOI after IOI, I go to make out with her, and she makes out with me for less than 2 minutes and then abruptly leaves. This is about the third time that this has happened.
Normally, I wouldn't care quite as much, but I'm pretty attracted to this girl, and I always have been.
One clue: once when we were dining, she started talking about evolutionary psychology. She said that when men kiss women, they transmit testosterone to make the girl want to have sex, and that women test out a man's biochemistry (somehow). She also said that she's been burned in past relationships by having sex too soon, then feeling emotionally caught in relationships that she knows she should have ended.
That is my best guess for her behavior. But she seems to take it to a weird extreme.
Several people have told me to confront her about this. I'm pretty sure that if I did that I would fail some kind of state-control and outcome-independence test. I'm also pretty sure that it's about the least sexy conversation you can have with a girl (why won't you fuck me?). So I will just play it cool for now, keep dating other women, and not worry about the outcome. But it sure fucks with my head. Any advice is appreciated.