[Samseau]

(08-12-2012 06:00 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

Just a quick correction. My math was wrong, I assigned 24 EC votes to Florida, when they have 29. Obama has 39 ways to win and Romney has 27, not 18. Interestingly enough, That still doesn't change anything. Obama still has 31 ways to win without Florida, while Romney only has 1 way to win without Florida. Not only that, with my adjustment for the 5 vote increase for Florida, that means that if Romney doesn't win Florida HE MUST WIN EVERY OTHER BATTLEGROUND STATE.

Obama's just gonna dump 40-50 million into Florida and it will be game, set, and match. Too easy for him.

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When someone says that Obama and Romney are basically indistinguishable I find it comical. In terms of their backgrounds they really couldnt be more different.

You say that like it makes a difference? Backgrounds are irrelevant. Look at their policies. The two candidates aren't significantly different in any way.

Both want universal health care of some kind
Both are going to increase taxes (I don't give a shit what the Republicans say - they have to, gov's going bankrupt)
Both want wars
Both are going to ignore the failure of student loans
Both are for gay marriage
Both are for big businesses
Both are for big government
Both support Ben Bernanke
Both aren't going to make meaningful changes while America burns

This is what I'll be doing on election day

[Enfant_Terrible]

Call me naive I don't care, will still write "Ron Paul" on the ballot no matter what.

The news obscures this but Romney's status as the Republican nominee
is disputed and presumptive, people think it's a done deal.

Perhaps.

But I'm not one to believe it right away and things could get interesting at the RNC convention at the end of this month.

Delegates are not bound to any candidate, they still need to vote on the floor, and Ron Paul has won plurality of *at least* 5 states to be on the convention nominating ballot and 15 minutes of speaking time in front of delegates.

And yet he's not speaking at the convention?!?

We shall see...

[Hotwheels]

I don't follow this stuff closely as both parties are completely fucked, but Ron Paul is not electable in a national election in my opinion. He's just too far out there.

If Scott Walker ever runs he has my vote.

[Tex Pro]

What I don't get is why Obama isn't way behind. I mean, the economy is still sluggish, the national debt is ballooning like crazy, and we still are fighting wars in the Middle East.

Is Romney that big of a turn off?

Hopefully the polls are wrong and/or Romney-Ryan ticket picks up steam in the next couple of months.

[Brian]

(08-12-2012 10:49 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

What I don't get is why Obama isn't way behind. I mean, the economy is still sluggish, the national debt is ballooning like crazy, and we still are fighting wars in the Middle East.

Is Romney that big of a turn off?

Hopefully the polls are wrong and/or Romney-Ryan ticket picks up steam in the next couple of months.

Most Americans are so beyond clueless its comical. I'd bet if you stood outside a voting booth on election day and asked voters what the national debt was and how much our annual budget and deficit were 90% wouldnt get remotely close. As long as they can still go to Costco and get a soda and hot dog for $2 they dont care about anything else.

[ElJefe]

(08-12-2012 11:14 AM)Brian Wrote:  

(08-12-2012 10:49 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

What I don't get is why Obama isn't way behind. I mean, the economy is still sluggish, the national debt is ballooning like crazy, and we still are fighting wars in the Middle East.

Is Romney that big of a turn off?

Hopefully the polls are wrong and/or Romney-Ryan ticket picks up steam in the next couple of months.

Most Americans are so beyond clueless its comical. I'd bet if you stood outside a voting booth on election day and asked voters what the national debt was and how much our annual budget and deficit were 90% wouldnt get remotely close. As long as they can still go to Costco and get a soda and hot dog for $2 they dont care about anything else.

If they're that clueless, should be easy to make a shitload of money off of them!

anyways... whats going on?

I read romney has been getting ENOURMOUS donations and outstripping Obama, yet Obama has been pouring money into negative ads. Is that why Obama is still ahead?

Is Romney not hitting him back? Or is he holding his reserves for a counter-attack now he has his running mate? 100m a month is a shitload of advertising.

PS. I usually check drudge for updates. I guess that's retarded.

[RandalGraves]

Jefe, I think Romney's going for a rope-a-dope. He knows that Obama commands more money in the long run, so he'll wait until the summer ends to lay down the case for him and Ryan. Obama's scared because he's in a weak position and has been blowing money early on pure negative ads. Romney currently has more cash on hand, and just had a big fundraising day after picking Ryan for VP.

Romney's gonna go for the KO in the fall.

[Blackhawk]

(08-11-2012 11:32 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

It's funny that we're about the most retarded state in the country but we can swing a presidential election.

Because Florida has so many people who have second vacation homes there. Whole lot of people vote in both their home state and at their vacation home in Florida.

If they tazered in the balls every retired pensioner who commits vote fraud by voting twice, there would be a lot less votes cast in Florida.

[Veloce]

(08-11-2012 05:33 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

The way they should settle these elections is to put the candidates--instead of debates--in a bar, like on those lame pickup-artist TV shows. They'd then have to spit game at chicks, with their identities concealed by professional, Hollywood make-up artists. Whoever pulls first win or, absent that, whoever gets further up-field (make-out, titty grope, etc.).

The VP candidates would debate well-worn game topics:

Games vs. Looks/Status
What constitutes Beta versus Alpha?
Is text game superior to phone game.

Not only would I tune in for that shit, I'd try to get the job as color commentator.

My sense is that Obama/Biden would mop the floor with those other two. Biden's got the million-dollar smile, hair, and shit-talking gene. Obama, I have a feeling--despite his beta side--can drop some tight game. Dude's funny.

Yeah, I've always felt Obama could clean up if he chose PUA over presidency. I've seen plenty of dudes here on the forums posting pics and vids of him bowing before foreign ministers and acting beta etc etc, but that shit's just camera play. You can't scrutinize someone as a person based on what you see of them in the media. He's just appealing to liberals who WANT our commander in chief to act like a beta.

For the most part, with the exception of the occasional flub, he's a well spoken and smart guy, and he's got his ramble on lock. Friday night in any major bar in any city? I bet he'd clean up like a true player.

[porscheguy]

(08-12-2012 10:49 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

What I don't get is why Obama isn't way behind. I mean, the economy is still sluggish, the national debt is ballooning like crazy, and we still are fighting wars in the Middle East.

Is Romney that big of a turn off?

Hopefully the polls are wrong and/or Romney-Ryan ticket picks up steam in the next couple of months.

The exploding debt is due to the two wars that were never put in the budget during the previous administration. Now they are.

The sluggish economy? Thank the republicans in congress for that. Within days of the election in '08 being called for Obama, republican leaders made it clear that their goal would be to exploit the filibuster for maximum effect in the Senate, reclaim control of congress, and see to it that Obama would be a one and done president. Aside from the same tired rhetoric of "eliminate government and taxes" what alternative solutions have the republicans offered for anything since Obama's term started? The answer: None.

Is Romney a turn off? For many he is. He represents the greed and largesse of Wall Street, and the arrogance of the wealthiest members of society. Why won't he show his taxes? What is he hiding? Because if he wasn't hiding anything, he should have nothing to be ashamed of. Even the leadership in his party are leaning on him heavily to produce his tax returns and he won't do it. Why? Everyone knows he's rich. Verifying his wealth won't change things for him. What doesn't he want us to see?

Why is this guy who is running for president and citing his business experience at Bain as his qualifications for the job so vague in his discussions about what he did while he was there? If I apply for a job, I expect to be questioned about my current and/or previous employment. What makes him so much better than me, that he thinks I should give him a job but not ask him any questions regarding his work experience?

So what is the turn off? Romney is an arrogant asshole who thinks he's better than the rest of us, and therefore does not believe in any way that he should have to answer to the little people. Most presidential contenders do have a heightened sense of self worth. The difference is that most presidents know how to keep that shit in check.

Ryan is the grand dragon of the tea baggers.

[The_CEO]

"He's been in Congress for nearly 13 years, but Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has only seen two of his bills pass into law during that time.
Ryan, who Mitt Romney has tapped as his running mate, passed a bill into law in July 2000 that renames a post office in his district. Thanks to Ryan, the post office on 1818 Milton Ave. in Janesville, Wis., is now known as "Les Aspin Post Office Building."
The other time Ryan saw one of his bills become law was in December 2008, with legislation to change the way arrows (as in bows and arrows) are hit with an excise tax. Specifically, his bill amended the Internal Revenue Code to impose a 39-cent tax per arrow shaft, instead of a 12.4 percent tax on the sales price. The bill also "includes points suitable for use with arrows in the 11 percent excise tax on arrow parts and accessories.""

[Brian]

(08-12-2012 01:42 PM)RandalGraves Wrote:  

Jefe, I think Romney's going for a rope-a-dope. He knows that Obama commands more money in the long run, so he'll wait until the summer ends to lay down the case for him and Ryan. Obama's scared because he's in a weak position and has been blowing money early on pure negative ads. Romney currently has more cash on hand, and just had a big fundraising day after picking Ryan for VP.

Romney's gonna go for the KO in the fall.

this is what i'm reading/hearing as well. Romney is stockpiling cash while Obama is spending money he doesnt have. Big surprise there. I think this election is closer then a lot of people realize at this point and it wont be decided until Oct or November. In the meantime rather then talk about his horrible record the Obama campaign will tell you that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are going to push grandma off a cliff, blame everything on other people, and try to convince you Mitt Romney is responsible for killing people of cancer. If America is stupid enough to believe all the ridiculous accusations they hear and vote for a party that hasnt even done a budget in the last 3 years then they're getting the President they deserve.

[The_CEO]

(08-12-2012 04:22 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(08-12-2012 01:42 PM)RandalGraves Wrote:  

Jefe, I think Romney's going for a rope-a-dope. He knows that Obama commands more money in the long run, so he'll wait until the summer ends to lay down the case for him and Ryan. Obama's scared because he's in a weak position and has been blowing money early on pure negative ads. Romney currently has more cash on hand, and just had a big fundraising day after picking Ryan for VP.

Romney's gonna go for the KO in the fall.

this is what i'm reading/hearing as well. Romney is stockpiling cash while Obama is spending money he doesnt have. Big surprise there. I think this election is closer then a lot of people realize at this point and it wont be decided until Oct or November. In the meantime rather then talk about his horrible record the Obama campaign will tell you that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are going to push grandma off a cliff, blame everything on other people, and try to convince you Mitt Romney is responsible for killing people of cancer. If America is stupid enough to believe all the ridiculous accusations they hear and vote for a party that hasnt even done a budget in the last 3 years then they're getting the President they deserve.

-"These cuts are so severe that the nation’s Catholic bishops raised their voices in protest at the shredding of the nation’s moral obligations.
Mr. Ryan’s budget “will hurt hungry children, poor families, vulnerable seniors and workers who cannot find employment,” the bishops wrote in an April letter to the House. “These cuts are unjustified and wrong.”-

[The_CEO]

"In all, 62 percent of the budget cuts proposed by Ryan would come from low-income programs.

The Ryan plan would also turn Medicare into vouchers whose value won’t possibly keep up with rising health-care costs – thereby shifting those costs on to seniors.

At the same time, Ryan would provide a substantial tax cut to the very rich – who are already taking home an almost unprecedented share of the nation’s total income. Today’s 400 richest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million of us put together.

...according to the non-partisan Center for Budget and Policy Priorities:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3723"

[Brian]

Of course that report in bias. Oh, wait the author is a democrat.

Jim Horney is the Vice President for Federal Fiscal Policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, where he specializes in federal budget issues.

He was a Deputy Democratic Staff Director at the Senate Budget Committee from 2001 through 2004.

Look CEO, here's the deal - the US has a major problem. We're spending about 3.5T and taking in about 2T, give or take a few hundrew billion. Eventually the whole Ponzi scheme is going to collapse. Ask Greece how thats working out for them, or Spain, where unemployment is 25% and youth ununemployment is 50%. In order to stop a complete all out collapse you're going to have to take away the punchbowl. Maybe Granny doesnt get that extra 6 months of life, but if it saves $1M of medical costs we dont have so be it. But its pretty obvious the path we're on is completely unsustainable, and the idiot in charge has done nothing to change it. If you think a community organizer and substitute law professor is a better option to fix this mess then a guy who has had an incredible amount of success turning around companies in trouble its your choice to vote for whomever you want, but I can pretty much guarantee you its not going to end well. And if you think Ryan is an extremist because he is the only one who actually came up with an idea, while Obama has spent the last flying around to fundraisers and playing golf, well everyone is entitled to their opinion. How come the Senate cant even pass a budget in the last 3 years? Is that Bushes fault? Are they racist? Or are they just incompetent?

[Leonidas_B]

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Of course that report in bias. Oh, wait the author is a democrat.

Jim Horney is the Vice President for Federal Fiscal Policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, where he specializes in federal budget issues.

He was a Deputy Democratic Staff Director at the Senate Budget Committee from 2001 through 2004.

Look CEO, here's the deal - the US has a major problem. We're spending about 3.5T and taking in about 2T, give or take a few hundrew billion. Eventually the whole Ponzi scheme is going to collapse. Ask Greece how thats working out for them, or Spain, where unemployment is 25% and youth ununemployment is 50%. In order to stop a complete all out collapse you're going to have to take away the punchbowl. Maybe Granny doesnt get that extra 6 months of life, but if it saves $1M of medical costs we dont have so be it. But its pretty obvious the path we're on is completely unsustainable, and the idiot in charge has done nothing to change it. If you think a community organizer and substitute law professor is a better option to fix this mess then a guy who has had an incredible amount of success turning around companies in trouble its your choice to vote for whomever you want, but I can pretty much guarantee you its not going to end well. And if you think Ryan is an extremist because he is the only one who actually came up with an idea, while Obama has spent the last flying around to fundraisers and playing golf, well everyone is entitled to their opinion. How come the Senate cant even pass a budget in the last 3 years? Is that Bushes fault? Are they racist? Or are they just incompetent?

Romney has to make clear and specific arguements why he should be president. For what ever reason, he has not done that. If he can clearly do that, he will beat Obama. I think Obama have this one in his pocket. I think santorum will have given Obama a tougher time, but people were scared he was a firebrand.

[Brian]

(08-12-2012 06:03 PM)Leonidas_B Wrote:  

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Of course that report in bias. Oh, wait the author is a democrat.

Jim Horney is the Vice President for Federal Fiscal Policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, where he specializes in federal budget issues.

He was a Deputy Democratic Staff Director at the Senate Budget Committee from 2001 through 2004.

Look CEO, here's the deal - the US has a major problem. We're spending about 3.5T and taking in about 2T, give or take a few hundrew billion. Eventually the whole Ponzi scheme is going to collapse. Ask Greece how thats working out for them, or Spain, where unemployment is 25% and youth ununemployment is 50%. In order to stop a complete all out collapse you're going to have to take away the punchbowl. Maybe Granny doesnt get that extra 6 months of life, but if it saves $1M of medical costs we dont have so be it. But its pretty obvious the path we're on is completely unsustainable, and the idiot in charge has done nothing to change it. If you think a community organizer and substitute law professor is a better option to fix this mess then a guy who has had an incredible amount of success turning around companies in trouble its your choice to vote for whomever you want, but I can pretty much guarantee you its not going to end well. And if you think Ryan is an extremist because he is the only one who actually came up with an idea, while Obama has spent the last flying around to fundraisers and playing golf, well everyone is entitled to their opinion. How come the Senate cant even pass a budget in the last 3 years? Is that Bushes fault? Are they racist? Or are they just incompetent?

Romney has to make clear and specific arguements why he should be president. For what ever reason, he has not done that. If he can clearly do that, he will beat Obama. I think Obama have this one in his pocket. I think santorum will have given Obama a tougher time, but people were scared he was a firebrand.

Dont underestimate how smart Romney is. He realizes that pretty much everything he does and says is going to be ripped up by a very biased liberal media. And whenever you come up with plan that doesnt involve giving free shit to the masses you are labeled as an extremist who is pushing granny over the cliff and starving children.

[Tuthmosis]

(08-12-2012 07:27 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is what I'll be doing on election day

This is what I'll be doing on Election Day:

   

[Enfant_Terrible]

[Samseau]

(08-12-2012 06:41 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-12-2012 07:27 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is what I'll be doing on election day

This is what I'll be doing on Election Day:

Don't you date ultra liberal chicks? You won't be having fun, they'll be out voting for Obama.

[kosko]

More and More Romney is looking as solid as Kerry was 8 years back. The establishment wants Romney hense why he is picking up more corporate money but the few voters whom will actually get of their couch and vote don``t trust the guy. Ryan is a nobody and is far from a game-changer in the race.

At least Obama hides the fact he will go after entitlements I really dont see how Romney can take the counter pole and try to pain him and Ryan as more desirable. Both candidates want your shit but Obama is just a tad better at hiding the fact. Romney is 4 years to late.

All I know is voter turnout will be a historic lows. Nobody is really given a shit about this election.

[Brian]

(08-12-2012 08:28 PM)kosko Wrote:  

More and More Romney is looking as solid as Kerry was 8 years back. The establishment wants Romney hense why he is picking up more corporate money but the few voters whom will actually get of their couch and vote don``t trust the guy. Ryan is a nobody and is far from a game-changer in the race.

At least Obama hides the fact he will go after entitlements I really dont see how Romney can take the counter pole and try to pain him and Ryan as more desirable. Both candidates want your shit but Obama is just a tad better at hiding the fact. Romney is 4 years to late.

All I know is voter turnout will be a historic lows. Nobody is really given a shit about this election.

Democratic voter turnout will be low - you are underestimating how much Republicans hate Obama. They will be out in full force.

[Tuthmosis]

(08-12-2012 08:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Don't you date ultra liberal chicks? You won't be having fun, they'll be out voting for Obama.

They're kind of all over the political spectrum (except the extreme conservative right, which I'm working on). But, that shot is actually a close-up. If you were to back up, you'd see that those two stand-ins are actually in a voting booth--after voting for Obama.

As much as I dislike the condition of American politics, know that Obama is but a face for a larger corporatocracy, and recognize that there is little actual, on-the-ground difference between the two parties, you'd have to force my cold, dead hand to punch a vote in for these two clowns.

I once left a cushy office job to get away from people like this. Which one is Romney again?

   

[porscheguy]

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Look CEO, here's the deal - the US has a major problem. We're spending about 3.5T and taking in about 2T, give or take a few hundrew billion. Eventually the whole Ponzi scheme is going to collapse.

The alternative to collapse is to increase revenue by increasing taxes. I can't say it's a solution to get excited over, but it works. What some of you people don't understand is that these two wars have a real price tag that exceeds the cost of WW2. In WW2 the people in the top income bracket were paying 94% in taxes, in addition the federal government sold a shit load of war bonds, and they still had to run a deficit.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Ask Greece how thats working out for them, or Spain, where unemployment is 25% and youth ununemployment is 50%. In order to stop a complete all out collapse you're going to have to take away the punchbowl.

What about the social collapse that comes as a result of telling millions of people they have to fend for themselves? I realize that you buy into the myth of the welfare queen, but the majority of people who have sought out public assistance in recent years are people who do work hard, but can't find work. Many of them aren't bottom feeders from urban ghettos. Many are educated and possess legitimate work skills and experience, but they simply can't find a job. If you tell enough people to fend for themselves, they will. They'll survive by taking what they need from you, and there won't be enough cops to protect you.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Maybe Granny doesnt get that extra 6 months of life, but if it saves $1M of medical costs we dont have so be it.

This is a legitimate issue. But a broken clock is right twice a day.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

But its pretty obvious the path we're on is completely unsustainable, and the idiot in charge has done nothing to change it.

Actually he's made many proposals to try to change things, but in case you missed the part in high school civics class about checks and balances, the president needs congressional approval to implement any significant policies. During the first two years of his term, the obstructionists made frequent use of the filibuster to prevent any action from being taken, and in the past two years the republicans have killed every idea outright in the House.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

If you think a community organizer and substitute law professor is a better option to fix this mess then a guy who has had an incredible amount of success turning around companies in trouble its your choice to vote for whomever you want, but I can pretty much guarantee you its not going to end well.

Name 5 companies that Romney saved that didn't involve massive layoffs and/or outsourcing.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

And if you think Ryan is an extremist because he is the only one who actually came up with an idea, while Obama has spent the last flying around to fundraisers and playing golf, well everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Ryan's plan: cut all social spending, raise taxes on everyone but the rich, lower taxes for the rich. Brilliant plan there. The same tried and true republican bullshit they've been pushing for decades now. It perpetuates the silly myth of trickle down economics. Guess what? It doesn't work. It's never worked. It will never work. For years the republicans have demanded tax cuts and claimed they will promote job growth. And every time taxes have been lowered no jobs have appeared. And every time, they say the same shit "it's because they weren't lowered enough." It's bullshit. The only time in the past 30 years or so where we had any significant job creation was during the late 90s. Care to guess why? Maybe it had something to do with the fact that income taxes were increased during the early 90s? I don't want to imply causality, but there might be a connection.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

How come the Senate cant even pass a budget in the last 3 years?

As I said before, it's called the filibuster. Republicans in the senate made it abundantly clear that their only objective was to obstruct anything from the democrats, and to make Obama a one term president.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Is that Bushes fault?

He certainly didn't help the situation by charging off into 2 wars without planning a way to pay for them.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Are they racist?

If you're talking about republicans, yes, many of them are. If they weren't, more of them would speak out against the birther bullshit.

(08-12-2012 05:00 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Or are they just incompetent?

Again, if we're speaking of republicans, I wouldn't call them incompetent. They're doing exactly what they set out to do.

[porscheguy]

(08-12-2012 10:06 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Democratic voter turnout will be low - you are underestimating how much Republicans hate Obama. They will be out in full force.

This is a losing strategy. If it could work, how Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are concocting all manner of bullshit to specifically disenfranchise voters who are registered as democrats?