[maddog152fo]

(08-09-2012 01:07 PM)OldRich Wrote:  

Maddog, ever thought about attacking this market on a different angle than the typical way? there seems to be an abundance of low quality cam streams and girls that the market has to be craving for something better. I feel this market hasn't evolved at all, it's the same low quality webcam that I've seen years ago.

If I were to do this, this is what I'll do:

Invest in the best internet connection I could find, perhaps T1? or if possible T3. This is doable in the west, not sure if this is available in Peru. Offer something no one else does. HD chat.

You're right there is a lot of crap quality vid.

But HD is the standard we are trying to achieve with our studio. The websites actually factor in the quality of vid stream when the are presenting the models on their sites. Those with the higher quality are usually presented before lower quality feeds. Its like a google search result. The higher you rank the more eyeballs that see you.

The websites are spending money in bandwidth for every model that is actively broadcasting. So they wanna get the best possible stream out to their customers. That's why a lot of em prefer to work with studios. Vid quality, lighting, set design and other technical factors are usually better with the studios than the solo model broadcasting from their bedroom. HD streams can usually charge a bit more per min as well.

The internet connection (specifically the upload speed) is something we are dealing with right now. I fucked up and selected our studio location without considering the internet velocity available in the neighborhood. I've got techs working on it, but we may have to actually relocate to get the velocity to stream HD.

I'm looking at broadband bundellng as a possible workaround.

[maddog152fo]

(08-08-2012 05:49 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  



Will be following this one with interest. Do you aim to keep your relations with the girls strictly on business terms or are you using the business to get sexual benefits?

Never say never but this is business. I almost never mix business and pleasure. Almost never

[maddog152fo]

(08-08-2012 11:47 AM)bface Wrote:  

gfy.com

Nothing on there about this?

That's a really active forum but its mostly about affiliate marketing, webmastering, white label sites, stuff like that. Not too much about the things we are going through to get a brick/mortar studio up and running.

I will be spending more time with them shortly because we want to be actively driving some traffic to our models. But that's later on.

I spent quite some time looking for stuff about operating a adult webcam studio. There really isn't much. I found forums for the models and the web guys (like gfy). But not much for studio managers. I think these guys keep it pretty close to the chest.

[RenewalMan]

Excellent thread.
As someone who's interested in business but doesn't have any experience, it's very cool to see this unfold. Then there's guys on the total opposite end of the spectrum (eg Hooligan Harry) who can offer brilliant insights gained from experience. I'm excited to see how this turns out. Business is business no matter the avenue and this has the potential to be an invaluable resource for newcomers and veterans alike.

Keep the posts coming! Will be following this closely.

[Duke Castile]

Do you just advertise the job? How'd you get the word out? And, can you pay a little more and ask that they be able to understand written English...or maybe you can teach them to use google translate....teaching them English seems inefficient....

[maddog152fo]

(08-09-2012 04:35 PM)RenewalMan Wrote:  

Excellent thread.
As someone who's interested in business but doesn't have any experience, it's very cool to see this unfold. Then there's guys on the total opposite end of the spectrum (eg Hooligan Harry) who can offer brilliant insights gained from experience. I'm excited to see how this turns out. Business is business no matter the avenue and this has the potential to be an invaluable resource for newcomers and veterans alike.

Keep the posts coming! Will be following this closely.

Thx for the words man. I concur 100%. That is why I am putting the effort into this thread. We can create a reference that will serve others. In this type of project or perhaps something similar. Or something completely different. Who knows?

I have been thinking about Harrys suggestion all day. Its that kinda stuff that makes it worth my time to post to this thread. To him it was maybe no big deal. But to me it was an elegantly simple solution to a common managerial problem. A problem I expect to be more challenging than normal in this project.

[Duke Castile]

(08-09-2012 07:22 PM)maddog152fo Wrote:  

(08-09-2012 04:35 PM)RenewalMan Wrote:  

Excellent thread.
As someone who's interested in business but doesn't have any experience, it's very cool to see this unfold. Then there's guys on the total opposite end of the spectrum (eg Hooligan Harry) who can offer brilliant insights gained from experience. I'm excited to see how this turns out. Business is business no matter the avenue and this has the potential to be an invaluable resource for newcomers and veterans alike.

Keep the posts coming! Will be following this closely.

Thx for the words man. I concur 100%. That is why I am putting the effort into this thread. We can create a reference that will serve others. In this type of project or perhaps something similar. Or something completely different. Who knows?

I have been thinking about Harrys suggestion all day. Its that kinda stuff that makes it worth my time to post to this thread. To him it was maybe no big deal. But to me it was an elegantly simple solution to a common managerial problem. A problem I expect to be more challenging than normal in this project.

Here's my take on HH's suggestion. Most of these girls don't have any money right? They aren't going to like that proposal to start out. So you start out the way you were thinking earlier, then after these girls start making money and see the potential (aka get them addicted to the money) , then you change the policy and do it HH's way. Bam.

[JofSuperman]

Following for interest. I knew someone who has done the webcam model business. Kinda similar to this, but he just pimps the girls on cams and gets a cut of the money.

[maddog152fo]

(08-09-2012 07:58 PM)JofSuperman Wrote:  

Following for interest. I knew someone who has done the webcam model business. Kinda similar to this, but he just pimps the girls on cams and gets a cut of the money.

Thx for following. Don't hesitate with any comments.

[maddog152fo]

(08-09-2012 07:56 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(08-09-2012 07:22 PM)maddog152fo Wrote:  

(08-09-2012 04:35 PM)RenewalMan Wrote:  

Excellent thread.
As someone who's interested in business but doesn't have any experience, it's very cool to see this unfold. Then there's guys on the total opposite end of the spectrum (eg Hooligan Harry) who can offer brilliant insights gained from experience. I'm excited to see how this turns out. Business is business no matter the avenue and this has the potential to be an invaluable resource for newcomers and veterans alike.

Keep the posts coming! Will be following this closely.

Thx for the words man. I concur 100%. That is why I am putting the effort into this thread. We can create a reference that will serve others. In this type of project or perhaps something similar. Or something completely different. Who knows?

I have been thinking about Harrys suggestion all day. Its that kinda stuff that makes it worth my time to post to this thread. To him it was maybe no big deal. But to me it was an elegantly simple solution to a common managerial problem. A problem I expect to be more challenging than normal in this project.

Here's my take on HH's suggestion. Most of these girls don't have any money right? They aren't going to like that proposal to start out. So you start out the way you were thinking earlier, then after these girls start making money and see the potential (aka get them addicted to the money) , then you change the policy and do it HH's way. Bam.

Nice

[ManAbout]

What is tying all this together? Do you have a custom designed software solution or are you using something off the shelf?

[maddog152fo]

(08-07-2012 11:16 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Ah, got it. Sounds interesting man. My question would be what does the average girl on there bring in per week/month? Were you able to get some figures on this in order to see if the business would be viable?

Looking who is online now, there are 90 Asian chicks, 250ish white chicks, 80 Latin chicks, but only 34 black chicks. I wonder what kind of statistics Livejasmin releases so you could crunch the numbers to see if each black model is bringing in good money because there is a lack of them? Or maybe there is only 34 online because they are in lesser demand than other ethnicities?

hey man, found this website today on craigs list - vegas. they got a few fotos on facebook, gives you an idea of the breakdown of models. check out the huge tit section on the right. again, JoeHoya knows his stuff.

   

[Hooligan Harry]

(08-09-2012 07:56 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(08-09-2012 07:22 PM)maddog152fo Wrote:  

(08-09-2012 04:35 PM)RenewalMan Wrote:  

Excellent thread.
As someone who's interested in business but doesn't have any experience, it's very cool to see this unfold. Then there's guys on the total opposite end of the spectrum (eg Hooligan Harry) who can offer brilliant insights gained from experience. I'm excited to see how this turns out. Business is business no matter the avenue and this has the potential to be an invaluable resource for newcomers and veterans alike.

Keep the posts coming! Will be following this closely.

Thx for the words man. I concur 100%. That is why I am putting the effort into this thread. We can create a reference that will serve others. In this type of project or perhaps something similar. Or something completely different. Who knows?

I have been thinking about Harrys suggestion all day. Its that kinda stuff that makes it worth my time to post to this thread. To him it was maybe no big deal. But to me it was an elegantly simple solution to a common managerial problem. A problem I expect to be more challenging than normal in this project.

Here's my take on HH's suggestion. Most of these girls don't have any money right? They aren't going to like that proposal to start out. So you start out the way you were thinking earlier, then after these girls start making money and see the potential (aka get them addicted to the money) , then you change the policy and do it HH's way. Bam.

Still a pain in the ass because you need to manage them. You build a model and you stick with it.

Think about it

- Manage their productivity
- Manage their attendance
- Manage what they are willing to do
- Manage their activity and monitor it

Its a waste of time and it will slow you down. Even if its just for a little while or even just a few of them, its a waste of time and would be a waste of money as a result.

Simplify it and treat them like contractors/salespeople/strippers. And if they dont have the money to pay the fees for the day, offer the newer girls discounts for the first few weeks if you have to. Make it policy to never take a cut of their pay/tips.

Its better to charge them less or nothing to get them going then it is to take a cut of pay until they are on their feet. Its all about time management, but also making sure they produce more from day 1. You want them to feel like they are getting a good deal and that they cant do better elsewhere.

Enable people to be self sufficient, dont manage them because you are worried you may lose out. Always think of their pocket, and you will take a little knock here and there, but its OK. You will more than make up for it over the long term.

You improve productivity by incentive. If the girls are making a lot of money, they are going to be bringing down friends and cousins in no time too. Treat them well, let them make their money, and if you need to help them out a little to get them started, then do it. Once they are hooked with what they can earn, you are not going to have to worry about managing them at all. Some will waste your time, but the ones that dont will pay you back ten fold.

Remember, simply it. Always, simplify, even when it looks more expensive on the surface. There is a saying that has always stuck with me

"Penny wise, pound foolish"

In other words, dont save pennies that may cost you pounds. If it requires a little investment in a chick that will eventually earn, give her a few days free. If she sticks around, charge her more the first few weeks so she can pay it off (not too much, just a little) and before you know it she is going and you are collecting. Give it to her free just to get her going.

This is a pretty solid idea. There is money in content and sex will always sell. But the location also makes this feasible. The infrastructure is widely available to women in the US if they live in a city, so chances are it wont work as well in a developed country.

In the middle of Lima, high quality connectivity is not widely and cheaply available. Throw into the mix the fact that the exchange rate works in their favour and you are not going to battle to find girls nor will you have to tolerate much bullshit.

Good luck with this maddog. Run it like a business, not like your personal brothel, and you are going to make some decent coin with this. Never get high on your own supply.

Your next step once your rooms are full is to make them sign agreements, but its an agreement between you both and its more informal.

While you may not be able to enforce them in a court, its more a case of them understanding that they need to turn up consistently but that you are also looking after them too. So the agreement is for them to pitch up for a specific amount of hours on specific days. You guarantee them their room for those times and those days always. Its their space for that time, and you can review the agreement at anytime.

You then make them pay weekly in advance for it eventually, and if they dont pitch up on specific days without adequate notice, thats their problem, you still get paid for it. You will see a lot less flaking this way and your earnings will also be more consistent.

What this allows you to do is forecast your earnings better too, and before you jump into setting up the next one in a new location or adding more rooms, you know that what you have is being used efficiently. You will be able to track your income in advance with some accuracy and it will help with your planning.

[maddog152fo]

(08-10-2012 03:15 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Still a pain in the ass because you need to manage them. You build a model and you stick with it.

Think about it

- Manage their productivity
- Manage their attendance
- Manage what they are willing to do
- Manage their activity and monitor it

Its a waste of time and it will slow you down. Even if its just for a little while or even just a few of them, its a waste of time and would be a waste of money as a result.

Simplify it and treat them like contractors/salespeople/strippers. And if they dont have the money to pay the fees for the day, offer the newer girls discounts for the first few weeks if you have to. Make it policy to never take a cut of their pay/tips.

Its better to charge them less or nothing to get them going then it is to take a cut of pay until they are on their feet. Its all about time management, but also making sure they produce more from day 1. You want them to feel like they are getting a good deal and that they cant do better elsewhere.

Enable people to be self sufficient, dont manage them because you are worried you may lose out. Always think of their pocket, and you will take a little knock here and there, but its OK. You will more than make up for it over the long term.

You improve productivity by incentive. If the girls are making a lot of money, they are going to be bringing down friends and cousins in no time too. Treat them well, let them make their money, and if you need to help them out a little to get them started, then do it. Once they are hooked with what they can earn, you are not going to have to worry about managing them at all. Some will waste your time, but the ones that dont will pay you back ten fold.

Remember, simply it. Always, simplify, even when it looks more expensive on the surface. There is a saying that has always stuck with me

"Penny wise, pound foolish"

In other words, dont save pennies that may cost you pounds. If it requires a little investment in a chick that will eventually earn, give her a few days free. If she sticks around, charge her more the first few weeks so she can pay it off (not too much, just a little) and before you know it she is going and you are collecting. Give it to her free just to get her going.

This is a pretty solid idea. There is money in content and sex will always sell. But the location also makes this feasible. The infrastructure is widely available to women in the US if they live in a city, so chances are it wont work as well in a developed country.

In the middle of Lima, high quality connectivity is not widely and cheaply available. Throw into the mix the fact that the exchange rate works in their favour and you are not going to battle to find girls nor will you have to tolerate much bullshit.

Good luck with this maddog. Run it like a business, not like your personal brothel, and you are going to make some decent coin with this. Never get high on your own supply.

Your next step once your rooms are full is to make them sign agreements, but its an agreement between you both and its more informal.

While you may not be able to enforce them in a court, its more a case of them understanding that they need to turn up consistently but that you are also looking after them too. So the agreement is for them to pitch up for a specific amount of hours on specific days. You guarantee them their room for those times and those days always. Its their space for that time, and you can review the agreement at anytime.

You then make them pay weekly in advance for it eventually, and if they dont pitch up on specific days without adequate notice, thats their problem, you still get paid for it. You will see a lot less flaking this way and your earnings will also be more consistent.

What this allows you to do is forecast your earnings better too, and before you jump into setting up the next one in a new location or adding more rooms, you know that what you have is being used efficiently. You will be able to track your income in advance with some accuracy and it will help with your planning.

Spot on.

[ExpatChronicles]

I ran a sex industry business in Bogota, Colombia for about a year - Bogota Brothel Tours. I heard about the webcam business from a client who was looking forward to meeting webcam girls in Medellin he'd already met online. So I started looking into webcam.

As stated in a few posts, a studio doesn't offer much a girl can't do on her own. They're going to be on LiveJasmine and all those sites anyway. It's not as much of an investment as gringos might think for a Colombian or Peruvian whore to get a computer with webcam set up. When I started talking to whores about the webcam business, everyone I met did it from their bedroom.

I had heard of studios in Colombia, but they were in business because they were able to receive payments online, while the whores couldn't. That was the only value the studios provided.

I didn't research much and it was well over a year ago, but I remember coming to the conclusion that the only way to make real money off webcam girls was to provide the affiliate links to their LiveJasmine profiles. LiveJasmine (or whatever webcam site) have sophisticated tracking links that will account for every dollar someone spends after arriving from your site. So in my case, since I'm a blogger, I was going to party with these whores and write about them with affiliate links. But the first time I hung out with one I decided I didn't want to hang out with whores.

Brothel tours, however, would work in any Latin American capital (Lima, BA, Santiago, DF) or high tourism destination.

However, the most important point - keep a low profile with the Peruvian government if you're not a citizen. Try to put assets in a Peruvian partner's name. Latin governments don't want gringos launching sex businesses. I started getting harassed like crazy once I launched the tours, culminating in my pseudo-deportation from Colombia.

BTW, I'm in Arequipa right now. Drop me a line.

[joehoya]

There definitely is a trend for girls doing the cam shows on their own. This will be accelerated as the access to broadband increases and the price decreases.

Regarding the brothel tours idea. I have known of a couple of guys that did that. In fact, one guy from NYC who did that just got murdered in Medellin (professional hit in a restaurant) a few months ago. Then again, he REALLY pissed off a bunch of people, both natives and foreign.

Definitely keep a low profile and BE HUMBLE. I know the temptation is there to life out some kind of imaginary Tony Montana/Pablo Escobar/El Mariachi fantasy when down in Latin America. But take my advice. Don't pretend to be some badass gangster/killer in a city/nation full of REAL badass gangsters/killers.

[ExpatChronicles]

(08-26-2012 06:00 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

In fact, one guy from NYC who did that just got murdered in Medellin (professional hit in a restaurant) a few months ago. Then again, he REALLY pissed off a bunch of people, both natives and foreign.

Would that be this fella? I hadn't heard of him. Did he have a website?

[maddog152fo]

(08-26-2012 01:20 PM)ExpatChronicles Wrote:  

I ran a sex industry business in Bogota, Colombia for about a year - Bogota Brothel Tours. I heard about the webcam business from a client who was looking forward to meeting webcam girls in Medellin he'd already met online. So I started looking into webcam.

As stated in a few posts, a studio doesn't offer much a girl can't do on her own. They're going to be on LiveJasmine and all those sites anyway. It's not as much of an investment as gringos might think for a Colombian or Peruvian whore to get a computer with webcam set up. When I started talking to whores about the webcam business, everyone I met did it from their bedroom.

I had heard of studios in Colombia, but they were in business because they were able to receive payments online, while the whores couldn't. That was the only value the studios provided.

I didn't research much and it was well over a year ago, but I remember coming to the conclusion that the only way to make real money off webcam girls was to provide the affiliate links to their LiveJasmine profiles. LiveJasmine (or whatever webcam site) have sophisticated tracking links that will account for every dollar someone spends after arriving from your site. So in my case, since I'm a blogger, I was going to party with these whores and write about them with affiliate links. But the first time I hung out with one I decided I didn't want to hang out with whores.

Brothel tours, however, would work in any Latin American capital (Lima, BA, Santiago, DF) or high tourism destination.

However, the most important point - keep a low profile with the Peruvian government if you're not a citizen. Try to put assets in a Peruvian partner's name. Latin governments don't want gringos launching sex businesses. I started getting harassed like crazy once I launched the tours, culminating in my pseudo-deportation from Colombia.

BTW, I'm in Arequipa right now. Drop me a line.

Quote:

However, the most important point - keep a low profile with the Peruvian government if you're not a citizen.

Good advice with any government ANYWHERE, whether a citizen or not.

Quote:

Try to put assets in a Peruvian partner's name.

Poor advice ANYWHERE, especially if you are not a citizen. Just saying.

Quote:

Latin governments don't want gringos launching sex businesses.

Coima

[joehoya]

(08-27-2012 11:10 AM)ExpatChronicles Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 06:00 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

In fact, one guy from NYC who did that just got murdered in Medellin (professional hit in a restaurant) a few months ago. Then again, he REALLY pissed off a bunch of people, both natives and foreign.

Would that be this fella? I hadn't heard of him. Did he have a website?

Yep, that's him. He was a regular in Costa Rica, but burned too many bridges there, so he made his way down to Medellin. I don't know of any website. He mostly hit up the P4P forums on the net.

[Tigre]

http://gizmodo.com/5941976/indentured-se...girls-nsfw

Quote:

If you think cam girls—those flirty naked characters that plague porn site pop-up ads—are raking in easy money, you're right. If you think cam girls are bleakly stripping online out of desperation, you're also right. Peel away the sex and pixels and money and you're left with the cloudy truth about the Internet's relationship status with these on-demand entertainers: it's complicated.

[maddog152fo]

I want my three minutes back

[maddog152fo]

Just a heads up to readers of this thread.

It was suggested to me by some people doing this kind of work that it wasn't such a good idea to publicly chronical my activities in this project..

Nothing dramatic or shady, but their arguments made sense to me.

In retrospect, I also think it was kind of a narcissistic, beta thing to do.

So I won't be posting to this thread anymore. Thank to all who contributed. There were some truly interesting remarks.

Still lovin the forum though. See ya'll elsewhere.

Peace

[JofSuperman]

(09-19-2012 12:19 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

http://gizmodo.com/5941976/indentured-se...girls-nsfw

Quote:

If you think cam girls—those flirty naked characters that plague porn site pop-up ads—are raking in easy money, you're right. If you think cam girls are bleakly stripping online out of desperation, you're also right. Peel away the sex and pixels and money and you're left with the cloudy truth about the Internet's relationship status with these on-demand entertainers: it's complicated.

Looks like Romania is the cam capital of the world.

[germanico]

(08-07-2012 02:41 PM)maddog152fo Wrote:  

There are plenty of women down here ready to fuck themselves for money.

Cool.

So, how many of them do you have already?

Or are you investing in "brick and mortar" without a single lady in sight?