[playa_with_a_passport]

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I apologise to the mods upfront for this, but this will not do. This is unacceptable.

This has to be the biggest load of fuckin horseshit I have ever heard. You go there as a spectator and try to pass western judgment on people and countries you have no understanding of at all. You have no idea why those people are the way they are. You are an ignorant prick.

Wow, Now you can tell me how you really feel, keyboard gangster. LOL. Be easy dude is not that serious. If you don't agree with me that's fine, no need to go on a diatribe like a $2 hoe on PMS.

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There are areas off limits to whites too. Its about 80% of Africa unless you are under armed guard. Hell, even in developed "democratic" countries like South Africa and Botswana, there are parts of cities that are off limits to whites. This is not the USA bro. Western ideology dies the minute you touch down in Africa.

I am going to have to call you out on that buddy. This is just not true. This statement says more about you than it does about me. Townships are off limits to ANYONE unless a local takes you there or you live there. This falls under "Common Sense 101." There are guettos all around the world and they are generally off limits to tourist. Shit, even in the good, US of motherfucking A, I can't just walk into any housing project I want.

80% of Africa dude? Are you for real or you just failed elementary math? Now as you so eloquently wrote before, this is a "load of horseshit." Countries like Sudan, Congo, Somalia, Chad, Zimbawe or some others I mentioned are off limits to pretty much everyone unless you already live there. You really think those rebels in Dafur are just going to let me go there and fuck their women because I am a Black man?

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There is no tiered pricing system in Namibia based on race either you fuckin moron. Get that chip off your shoulder. Its just that there is so much poverty the levels between rich and poor are huge. They make the differences in places like Brazil and Colombia seem closer to Sweden or Norway in economic parity. People are excluded because they dont have money, not because they are black. You were charged more because you are a foreigner. Not because you are a black man. Those places that were "sold out"? Probably were you tosspot. Those areas are busy certain times of the year with people traveling from all over to stay there.

Ok. I was just going to skip over this because I only debate people on my level, everybody else I teach. But fuck it. Ill take the bait. you took my statement without putting it in the proper historical context. Apartheid ended not that long ago, in February 1990 to be exact, which was basically about the same time that Namibia gained its Independence from South Africa. Thus, until 20 years ago, Namibia and South Africa were ruled by racist fascist. I will not bored you with the details but this is not in dispute; Black people were not allowed to hold certain jobs, could only go to certain substandard schools(separate but equal is an oxymoron "dude"), and could only own property in Townships. Therefore,The stastement "People are excluded because they dont have money, not because they are black." just does not hold water knowing everything that I know about Apartheid. This will only be true if Blacks and Whites had the same chance at economic parity in Namibian society from the get go. Even a Stormfront poster such as yourself, has to admit that this just isn't the case. The reason why those white Merchants were charging such high prices is because They don't want the local blacks to go in there is that plain and simple. In the case of a Black person can afford to pay those prices, they used the "we are close" excuses.

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Frikken hell, you think they cant tell the difference between a realAfrican and black American? They dont classify you as African. They classify you as American. Hell, those white racists you cant seem to understand are more African than you are. You think your black skin makes you African in Africa? Give me a break. Your entire point of view, highlighted by your ignorant post dripping with resentment for a situation and history you dont understand, just goes to show how far removed from Africa you are.

As opposed to you? What's there to understand? I am sorry, this might come as a surprise to you but I really do not think that the White Man is god and that everything that he touches turns into gold. You are basically propagating the myth of White Supremacy. Are you a Na'vi? does your White skin in Africa gives you special powers were you are able to read what's going on inside a Black African minds?

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The reason why you use plastic gloves to take money? Because paper based money systems are a major spread of disease in Africa and its part of health and safety regulations in some African countries. Like people have to wear hairnets, people have to use gloves when they touch money IF THEY WORK WITH YOUR FOOD. Its for your own safety and health. What, you think you going to get first class medical treatment if you pick up one of those awesome exotic diseases or viruses that float about all over the show? I dont know whats more pathetic. The fact that you are too fucking retarded to see it for what it really was, or the fact that the chip on your shoulder is so large you could not for a minute think that there was a logical, non racial reason for it.

Ok, cool. You are absolutely right. She takes money from several White customers hands without gloves no problem. She puts her gloves on and takes the money from my table. Silly me for being an over sensitive uppity Negro. White Africans are very clean and their shit also does not stink. Thanks for clearing that up.

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People like you see racism where there is none and you are the reason why people will always see colour. Its because you see colour everywhere you go and I pity you for it.

Thanks man, I appreciate your pity and taking time from your busy schedule to educate this savage who doesn't know his place,

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As for the stares of hatred? Not because you are black mate. They grow up with black people around them. They are the minority there yet still prosper. Most can probably speak an African language or two and have more respect for the local African culture than you do.

LOL, I am no sure if you are being serious. "They are the minority there yet still prosper." I guess the fact they run the economy, run the military, and They used military might and own 99% of the capital has nothing to do with it? You making it sound as White Africans were like Jews or Asians in America. Your remind me of some White Americans, who have benefited greatly from "White Privilege" and institutional racism, yet they feel that there's no racism in America because they don't see it.

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No, what people dont tolerate in certain parts of Africa is DIRECT EYE CONTACT. Its a sign of aggression on the south-western coast and is part of the local African culture. Just like in Japan as a sign of respect you dont look a superior in the eyes. On the South West coast, direct eye contact is a sign of attempted intimidation when its between strangers. Again, never thought for a minute that maybe the cultural difference was the issue and it was not the fact that you were black eh?

Ill give you this one. I was probably egocentric with regards to this And I am taking this one back.

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No one in Africa exploits Africans more than the Africans themselves. As a visitor from a first world country, and being black on top of it, you probably find that hard to accept. Go live there for a while to experience the real Africa. If you live to tell the tale, you might be a better man for it. You would certainly be a lot less ignorant than you are.

Ok. Africans they do some evil shit. There are some apologist out there that start talking about root causes as soon as you say anything negative about Africans i.e. European Colonialism. However, I am not one of them. What Africans do to other Africans is disgusting and inexcusable. Nevertheless, it took centuries for Europeans to stop slaughtering one another. The top two mass murderers of all time were White men(Hitler, Stalin) Therefore, Africans need to be held to the same standard and be given some time to get their shit together. Most of them gained independence in 1960's. Rome was not built in a day, neither will Africa.

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Just because places like Australia, Britain and the USA are more tolerant of all races does not mean that the rest of the world will be. A black man in Russia is going to have a hard time. Just like a white man in Nigeria will. Its part and parcel of travel and its something we all need to accept as a reality of the world. While these things can work to our advantage in some places, in others they will work against us. No point griping about it because we dont understand what drove people and cultures to that point. To be so arrogant as to condemn people and cultures we dont understand simply because they do not share the same ideology is not on, no matter how abhorrent it may seem to us

Is this suppose to be your kumbaya paragraph? I was not aware that Lagos had bands of Racist blacks that chase and beat
White men because they are White. There is nothing to "understand" about racism and White Supremacy. Lets stop with the moral relativity here. I did not know this board was going to be so philosophical. Silly me, I thought this board was about bitches and hoes and how to fuck them. I was not condemning any cultures, I simply wrote about my experience from my perspective. There are several Black or Minority posters that might have found my post informative. Not because they want to go to South Africa and change that shit hole but because women racial attitudes is totally relevant when it comes to pu$$y. For example, I would not have went to Nazi Germany or Russia for that matter looking for some ass.

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First world populations are minuscule. Which makes our own belief system and political views minuscule. The only reason they gained any traction is because we hold a slowly eroding economic power.

you just keep getting better and better. You are making seem like we are debating the nuisance and intricacies of the immortality of the crab. You see? that made no fucking sense, like you don't.

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I tire of this crap where black men from western countries are irritated when they are treated poorly or ignored by local women for reasons they believe are related to race alone. Sure, it plays a major part in it. In many cases though, you are getting the responses you are getting because you are also acting like a fuckin idiot. White or black, the response would be the same

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Race, Game and travel are actually very relevant. Some places are easier for Brothers to get some ass than others. Also, a lot of travel information on the Net is being written by White males so alot of their experiences are just very different than what a Black, Asian or non White Playas and Macks are going to have.

Thanks for this board I found out going to Eastern Europe isn't such a good idea. Maybe you should tell "Youngmobile" that the Neo Nazis who wanted to kick his ass wanted to do it because he was acting like "fuckin idiot" and that all that racial stuff was all in his head.

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As for Argentina? Sorry, they are racist. Maybe a good lo oking black guy with a lot of money, who can speak some Spanish and is hanging out in college towns where the chicks will be a little more liberal will see some success. If you think an African American man, traveling on a budget with minimal Spanish is going to fuck his way from one end of Argentina to the other because he is "exotic" you have another thing coming. Rather go to Sweden or Denmark.

Argentinians are Niggger lovers compared to Afrikaans. Again, you are making statements that you are not qualified to make. Trust me, when I say this, what you eat don't make me shit. I was in Argentina for two weeks and not once I felt I was treated differently because of my race. Southern Africa on the other hand.........And this comes from White people who you claim can tell "real" African from American. Argentina chicks are difficult period, even for Argentinian guys. I am personally happy that more Brothers are traveling and sharing their experiences both the good and the bad.

In sum, why did you even bother? Unless, you are a Black Man from the States we are never going to see things the same way for a plethora of reasons. You are lecturing me about how tolerant White Africans are and how everything that I experience is in my head. That's like a Klansman telling me there's no racism in Tennessee. That just doesn't make sense. My god, like Roosh said in a post "what a fucking waste of time this was." I still wish you the best in all your endeavors thought, cuz at the end of the day is all about pimp up, hoes down. I have a feeling you are one of the hoes.

[Lumiere]

Guys, take it somewhere else please

[Whoremonger]

(01-12-2010 11:38 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

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I apologise to the mods upfront for this, but this will not do. This is unacceptable.

This has to be the biggest load of fuckin horseshit I have ever heard. You go there as a spectator and try to pass western judgment on people and countries you have no understanding of at all. You have no idea why those people are the way they are. You are an ignorant prick.

Wow, Now you can tell me how you really feel, keyboard gangster. LOL. Be easy dude is not that serious. If you don't agree with me that's fine, no need to go on a diatribe like a $2 hoe on PMS.

No fuck that. You cannot make generalised statements about an entire group of people because your own perception is fvcked. You are ignorant to the extreme and think a one week holiday in Namibia qualifies you as an expert on the region?

Double standards. Learn to see one when you live one mate.

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There are areas off limits to whites too. Its about 80% of Africa unless you are under armed guard. Hell, even in developed "democratic" countries like South Africa and Botswana, there are parts of cities that are off limits to whites. This is not the USA bro. Western ideology dies the minute you touch down in Africa.

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I am going to have to call you out on that buddy. This is just not true. This statement says more about you than it does about me. Townships are off limits to ANYONE unless a local takes you there or you live there. This falls under "Common Sense 101." There are guettos all around the world and they are generally off limits to tourist. Shit, even in the good, US of motherfucking A, I can't just walk into any housing project I want.

80% of Africa dude? Are you for real or you just failed elementary math? Now as you so eloquently wrote before, this is a "load of horseshit." Countries like Sudan, Congo, Somalia, Chad, Zimbawe or some others I mentioned are off limits to pretty much everyone unless you already live there. You really think those rebels in Dafur are just going to let me go there and fuck their women because I am a Black man?

Ya, the difference is that while you go on holiday to the place, I LIVED THERE. I was born and raised in South Africa, spent a lot of time working throughout Africa too. Congo, Rwanda, Namibia, Botswana, Zambia. I speak two African languages. There are places you simply cannot go without an armed escort. Many of the major cities, if you are a white, make you target number 1. Because you are white. Hell, even in South Africa, the level of brutality we have seen against whites over the last 20 years has led to an exodus of almost 30% of the white population. Dont fucking lecture me on what you felt was white on black racism when it goes both ways. You read about the history. I lived it.

Racism in Africa goes both ways. In many cases, its transcends race and goes fucking tribal. The audacity to attack a white minority in one area of Namibia while you ignore the bigger picture speaks volumes. Any excuse to cry racism and you jump on it, yet its your own ignorance and perception that creates the problem in the first place.

This is not acceptable. Its a double standard. Maybe in your neck of the woods where everyone has to be politically correct all the time no one ever calls you on your shit. Dont accuse people of being racist and then make ignorant, racist statements yourself.

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There is no tiered pricing system in Namibia based on race either you fuckin moron. Get that chip off your shoulder. Its just that there is so much poverty the levels between rich and poor are huge. They make the differences in places like Brazil and Colombia seem closer to Sweden or Norway in economic parity. People are excluded because they dont have money, not because they are black. You were charged more because you are a foreigner. Not because you are a black man. Those places that were "sold out"? Probably were you tosspot. Those areas are busy certain times of the year with people traveling from all over to stay there.

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Ok. I was just going to skip over this because I only debate people on my level, everybody else I teach. But fuck it. Ill take the bait. you took my statement without putting it in the proper historical context. Apartheid ended not that long ago, in February 1990 to be exact, which was basically about the same time that Namibia gained its Independence from South Africa. Thus, until 20 years ago, Namibia and South Africa were ruled by racist fascist. I will not bored you with the details but this is not in dispute; Black people were not allowed to hold certain jobs, could only go to certain substandard schools(separate but equal is an oxymoron "dude"), and could only own property in Townships. Therefore,The stastement "People are excluded because they dont have money, not because they are black." just does not hold water knowing everything that I know about Apartheid. This will only be true if Blacks and Whites had the same chance at economic parity in Namibian society from the get go. Even a Stormfront poster such as yourself, has to admit that this just isn't the case. The reason why those white Merchants were charging such high prices is because They don't want the local blacks to go in there is that plain and simple. In the case of a Black person can afford to pay those prices, they used the "we are close" excuses.

Again, you dont know enough about the history of the country or the region. In your fucking ignorance you see it as an example of white supremacy gone nuts when that really was not the case. It was a political and economic policy, BASED ON RACE, because Africans were predisposed to certain political views.

South Africa was one of the largest gold producers in the world. The problem was that Russia came to power and communism came to the fore. Africans in South Africa (and if you knew the history, you would have known this) were trade unionists and communists. The ruling party of South Africa for the last 15 years has a COMMUNIST HISTORY.

If South Africa went to a democratic vote, the country would have gone to the communist party. The worlds largest producer of gold, the very thing our entire western economy was built on, would have fallen under communist leadership. South Africa would have been in Russia's corner, not the UK and USA. Why do you think we had the support of the yanks and Brits during that period? It was only when the world moved away from the gold standard that pressure was brought to bare. FFS, we were fighting Russians up in Angola during the 80's still, trying to keep them out of Namibia.

Was it right? No, it was not. The unfortunate truth about it though was that it was necessary. If not for that, the ruling party would never have inherited the infrastructure and systems that they did when they came to power in the first place.

You accuse me of acting like a stormfront member when you yourself come across as a black panther wannabe. You try to lecture on the history of the region and use that as a justification for YOUR RACISM when the reality is that whites in Africa are a lot more tolerant than you are suggesting. The level of violence perpetrated against whites is almost overwhelming in comparison.

You know NOTHING of the region or its history and I am sick to death of fucking African Americans thinking that the colour of their skin makes them an expert of some sort.

You are a racist cunt. End of story.

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Frikken hell, you think they cant tell the difference between a realAfrican and black American? They dont classify you as African. They classify you as American. Hell, those white racists you cant seem to understand are more African than you are. You think your black skin makes you African in Africa? Give me a break. Your entire point of view, highlighted by your ignorant post dripping with resentment for a situation and history you dont understand, just goes to show how far removed from Africa you are.

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As opposed to you? What's there to understand? I am sorry, this might come as a surprise to you but I really do not think that the White Man is god and that everything that he touches turns into gold. You are basically propagating the myth of White Supremacy. Are you a Na'vi? does your White skin in Africa gives you special powers were you are able to read what's going on inside a Black African minds?

No, but being an African I actually have an understanding of the culture and the countries. I know the sad history of the place and I also know the real history of the place. While you sit and read about this shit in Time magazine or they try and educate you in your African studies classes we actually live this shit.

The white man brought strife to this place. Ill never dispute that. But he also brought literacy, currency, infrastructure and systems of production here. My family lived in South Africa for over 400 years. Thats longer than your slave ancestors were in the USA. Makes me more African than it does you American.

Maybe I should do a crash course in American history and then try to use that as a justification for, oh, I dunno, how the white man loves the black man? After all, an entire country went to war to free the black man. The North vs the South. White boys dying in the thousands so the African American could vote and ride at the front of the bus.

See what I did there?

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As for the stares of hatred? Not because you are black mate. They grow up with black people around them. They are the minority there yet still prosper. Most can probably speak an African language or two and have more respect for the local African culture than you do.

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LOL, I am no sure if you are being serious. "They are the minority there yet still prosper." I guess the fact they run the economy, run the military, and They used military might and own 99% of the capital has nothing to do with it? You making it sound as White Africans were like Jews or Asians in America. Your remind me of some White Americans, who have benefited greatly from "White Privilege" and institutional racism, yet they feel that there's no racism in America because they don't see it.

Institutionalized racism. Man, I love that shin dig. You talk about racism as if its only something a black man has to suffer. Again, utterly clueless. In South Africa, whites have to

1 - Give 26% ownership of their business to blacks
2 - Ensure 50% of management is African
3 - Have racial quotas for sports. Certain sports have to have x amount of players of colour, regardless of ability
4 - Public service contracts only go to companies with African ownership
5 - Whites pay the majority of tax in South Africa

5 small examples of legal racism whites endure in South Africa. LEGAL. I got one up on your "institutionalised" You remind me of every fucking African American who comes to South Africa so he can visit his motherland when he really orginates from frikken Nigeria or Ghana. Its like a candian calling himself a Mexican.

Like I say, you are a racist. You see colour everywhere when in many cases its not even a racial issue. You dont know what racism is. You have never experienced it to the point where you have seen people in your family gang raped because of the colour of their skin. You have never had to bury someone because they got shot for their farm. Do some proper research into black on white racism in Africa before you shout your frikken mouth off about white on black racism.

In South Africa, where the white people VOTED for democratic change, white farmers have now been added to Genocide Watch because they are being wiped out in such large numbers. They looked at you funny in Namibia? Shame, poor you.

Seriously man. You dont have a clue, and your attempts to educate are beyond disgusting.

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No one in Africa exploits Africans more than the Africans themselves. As a visitor from a first world country, and being black on top of it, you probably find that hard to accept. Go live there for a while to experience the real Africa. If you live to tell the tale, you might be a better man for it. You would certainly be a lot less ignorant than you are.

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Ok. Africans they do some evil shit. There are some apologist out there that start talking about root causes as soon as you say anything negative about Africans i.e. European Colonialism. However, I am not one of them. What Africans do to other Africans is disgusting and inexcusable. Nevertheless, it took centuries for Europeans to stop slaughtering one another. The top two mass murderers of all time were White men(Hitler, Stalin) Therefore, Africans need to be held to the same standard and be given some time to get their shit together. Most of them gained independence in 1960's. Rome was not built in a day, neither will Africa.

No, but Rome never inherited the infrastructure Africans did either. They were never given a helping hand by anyone. They were never given reparations or aid. They were never given the promise that a stronger power would never invade. They were never given loans they could not pay.

Africa is one big hand out and the result has been the steady erosion of the quality of life the people lead. South Africa, based on the United Nations human development index, has regressed to the point where it has dropped almost 40 places on its charts within 20 years. Zim was the breadbasket of Africa and is now facing famine. Africa has gone backwards under African rule.

Hitler/Stalin were evil fucks. Using that as a justification for black on black violence in Africa is ridiculous. You know whats sad about Africa? In Europe, it was rarely civilian on civilian. It was normally militairy on civilian. In Africa? Its civilian on civilian.

Again, being an AMERICAN, you would not have been exposed to this much would you.

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Is this suppose to be your kumbaya paragraph? I was not aware that Lagos had bands of Racist blacks that chase and beat
White men because they are White. There is nothing to "understand" about racism and White Supremacy. Lets stop with the moral relativity here. I did not know this board was going to be so philosophical. Silly me, I thought this board was about bitches and hoes and how to fuck them. I was not condemning any cultures, I simply wrote about my experience from my perspective. There are several Black or Minority posters that might have found my post informative. Not because they want to go to South Africa and change that shit hole but because women racial attitudes is totally relevant when it comes to pu$$y. For example, I would not have went to Nazi Germany or Russia for that matter looking for some ass.

You dont need to go to Lagos. Go to parts of Cape Town or Johannesburg. Plenty of racist black gangs there mate. There is much you need to learn about racism affecting people of all creeds and colour, not just people of one colour.

As for you stating the reason for you post is that you are trying to educate your fellow brothers on what to expect? Thats exactly why you got the response you did. Its bullshit, and its based on bullshit you dont even understand. Dont try find the moral high ground here. You attack people because of the colour of their skin, then have the audacity to pass this off a fact based on your limited understanding of the history?

Im done with this shit. You took a vacation to a place you know little about a reported bullshit as fact. You are so fucking arrogant you think you are in a position to lecture on racism because you are black, as if racism is something only blacks have to endure. You generalise and attack an entire group of people, label them and shame them, when you yourself know nothing of the place or the reasons for the attitudes the people have.

In short, you sum up the typical American the rest of the world has come to hate. Arrogant, ignorant and obnoxious in the extreme. American, not African American. You are about as African as I am jewish.

[kerouac]

As angry and bitter as this "debate" has been, it has been pretty informative!

[speakeasy]

Whoremonger, it certainly sounds like to be that you're coming from an angry WHITE south African point of view. I'm sure the blacks that endured hell under Apartheid would tell a completely different story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCX_O-U8sYk

[Lika]

(01-12-2010 01:26 PM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

In South Africa, where the white people VOTED for democratic change, white farmers have now been added to Genocide Watch because they are being wiped out in such large numbers.

That is true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2E9oz4df...PL&index=7

(01-03-2010 03:48 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I was going to stay a week but My boy and I felt so uncomfortable and unsafe that we took the first bus out of there. I gotta give those German fucks credit, They built a replica of a German town in the middle of nowhere in an African desert.

You do sound very racist when you say that (always talking about Nazi Germans and shit. You would be surprised that Germans are quite nice people and a lot of german girls in Germany adore black Americans).

I understand you have been treated badly by some people from German origin in Namibia. Certainly some of them were racists but probably not all of them.

As a white foreign dude, the same happened to me many times in the USA, I was beaten up by black guys without any other reason than race, insulted and treated very badly by blacks many many times.

Yet, I have not become a racist because I have also known some black Americans that I have liked.

I also have lived long enough in Africa to get to know and appreciate the continent. I must say however that Africa is extremely racist (among tribes, against whites, Lebanese, Indians, etc.). Even Nelson Mandela and the ANC has always been racist. Their main anthem song is "kill whites":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2...L&index=11

Africa is not America and Nelson Mandela is no Marthin Luther King...

[Whoremonger]

(01-12-2010 02:55 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Whoremonger, it certainly sounds like to be that you're coming from an angry WHITE south African point of view. I'm sure the blacks that endured hell under Apartheid would tell a completely different story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCX_O-U8sYk

Angry? Im not angry about the situation in Africa. Disappointed maybe, but I accept it for what it is. I love the place, yet accept that there is no future for me there anymore. Its a shit pit. You want to lose faith in humanity? Live, work and play in Africa. At the same time, it gets in your blood and you are always a part of it.

What angers me is bullshit accounts from people like our racist friend who use the history of the place to try and substantiate their views even though they are not justified in all cases. Fact is, the guy is just a racist pig using it as an excuse to vent, thinking he was not going to run into somewhere who could see his garbage from a mile away.

Africans were wronged at the hands of whites, but African history is complex there are NO innocent parties. I have seen black on black violence on a level you people see on TV. Levels of violence whites have suffered before and after has also been on the extreme end too. It cuts both ways. Again, google this shit. You have daily stories of whites having their homes invaded where women are gang raped in front of their husbands and fathers. Men are shot, children are tortured. This is life for people there.

What people from the first world dont realise is that its survival of the fittest out there and that means human rights become non existant in many cases. Its easy from the luxury of an apartment in a country with relative safety to shout your mouth off. Or to go on a holiday and stay in 5 star hotels and resorts where your safety is ensured through armed guards. Living in Africa, and working in Africa, is a totally different story.

What you dont know is that during Apartheid, fewer Africans were killed by whites than the total number of whites which have died violent deaths after "liberation". Dont hear about that in the Mandela saga do you?

Over 250 000 people have been murdered in SA in the last 10 years, and over 500 000 rapes have been reported. Google that shit if you think I am lying. Those are crime stats reported by a government trying to convince the world crime is not that bad.

In fact, ill do your homework for you. Canada has started to offer white South Africans asylum to escape racism. No doubt, the violence is justified in some heads. Maybe our black panther pal can frame this and put it in his trophy cabinet

http://www.iol.co.za/index.html?set_id=1&...609C242817

[speakeasy]

Whoremonger, violence in S. Africa happens to be amongst the highest in the continent and it sounds to me that your view is shaped mainly by living there. I have friends that have traveled to African countries, both as explorers and for research. They didn't have any problems and said that people were friendly and respectful. A white couple I know went to travel in Kenya for a month. They said Nairobi was dangerous at night, but as long as you don't do anything dumb, they didn't have any problems. I've met whites that have been other African countries and said there are some danger spots, but for the most part, people are welcoming and friendly. South Africa has a long ugly racial history and there's a lot of strife and resentment between races, so it may be an unusually bad place in that regards and some may feel that it's open season on the white man because of what they did to blacks. It's terrible all around, but I doubt that carries over to all African countries.

[Kona]

(01-12-2010 02:02 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

As angry and bitter as this "debate" has been, it has been pretty informative!

I agree.

Aloha!

[playa_with_a_passport]

Whoremonger,
Holy shit dude, You really are PMS-ing and I didn't come in here to read Afrikaans propaganda talking points. Or go back and forth on the Internet with a clown. But I digress, out of the 3 weeks off my trip, only in a small town called Swakopund(Namibia) was the only place I experienced all that racial nonsense. Re read my trip report. I stayed 4 days in Windhoek and everything was cool as a cucumber. My trip report was truthful and written in good faith. Ironically, your several post collaborated everything I said about Swakopund. I am going to follow Luminire advice, I am done talking to you about this topic and I am moving on. We are going to have to agree to disagree and leave as that. Take care...

My apologies to the original poster, Citizen's Dildo for this thread going so off the rails. And yes, some Argentinian chicks do like Brothers.

[TheShiningOne]

(01-12-2010 08:37 AM)toddh Wrote:  

"...especially knowledge of the codes of interaction to get quality girls here."

What are the codes of interaction in your opinion?

There's been a ton of conjecture about that on these pages.

I really wouldn't call myself an expert on the subject. I have been living here for a year and a half, but was until very recently in a very exclusive LTR and not interacting much with girls here. Also, I'm new to this whole game thing. But I'm now trying to understand how things work here. I have only scratched the surface, but I can share with you a couple of reflexions.

I think this argentinian guy whose comments Roosh publishe on his blog was on to something. In particular, if I remember well, he said that social proof is king, and that girls need to rationalize a story in their heads, whereby "the cute guy that goes to my yoga class" is better than "the drunken guy I randomly met in a bar." I think the idea of practicing an activity with heavy female presence, like yoga, is golden here.

Apparently, among younger people, the normal way to meet girls is such: boys and girls go out in gender-homogeneous groups, of say 10 or 1 people (there are many gender-separated schools here). At some point in the evening, a couple joins them, the boy belonging to the male group and the girl to the female group. They create the link between the two groups, and now girls meeting boys from the first group feel "safe".

Also, girls here like good bullshitting (chamuyar, or chamullar, not sure how to spell it). I think compliments are OK, once you have established some attraction/connection, o reven before maybe. They are called piropos here, and there's a whole litterature about that, in the tango world in particular. They are certainly well received, what remains to see is if they get you laid. The way they are done here would probably sound over the top or needy to American girls. I have not really been practicing them, but I intend to try and see the reactions.

But really, I would have to see good Argentine guys in action to really understand how things work.

Also, eye-contact works differently here. Girls do look at you, but they generally do it from a distance. As soon as they get near you, they pretend they were not looking at you and if you try and make eye contact, they break it. Apparently (from what friends told me), if you noticed that she was looking at you before - and for that you need to be very alert, I generally don't get it as I don't pay attention to people who are far in my vision field -, they expect you to open them with a compliment, or something funny, original, outrageous... If they are interested, apparently (once more, that does not come from my personal experience, rather from that of a friend who works in a shop on Florida Street selling things to tourists) they will come back at a later point, and then you can really open them (I'm describing a situation where the man is more or less stationary, in a shopping street). Not sure that will be of any direct help, except in understanding better the mind of the Argentine girl. One more funny trivia about eye contact: there is a category of girls that DOES establish a lot of hot and sensual EC: those that are accompanied by their boyfriend. Those are constantly scanning around to test their powers of seduction, even while kissing their boyfriends (people kiss a lot publicly, and sometimes for hours).

Have to go now, will write more later if I think of anything else. And if any of you are in Bs As, drop me a PM and maybe we can meet and talk about those things over a drink or a mate.

[Lumiere]

I got called a piropo by an argie girl i was gaming in ba

i took it as a compliment

[The_CEO]

TheShiningOne: thanks for your impressions/thoughts about it.

Pretty much have seen the same thing in BA, and agree with your suggestions: yoga or some group activity.

The eye contact habits threw me off for a while, b/c it's just different than in the US (like in NYC where girls will unwaveringly hold EC for example). The long-distance checking you out thing is funny...I've seen that and it takes a while to get used to (noticing some girl watching you from afar and then they avert eye contact up close.)

[PartyTime]

(01-14-2010 10:56 AM)toddh Wrote:  

The eye contact habits threw me off for a while, b/c it's just different than in the US (like in NYC where girls will unwaveringly hold EC for example). The long-distance checking you out thing is funny...I've seen that and it takes a while to get used to (noticing some girl watching you from afar and then they avert eye contact up close.)

I wonder why the Argentine eye contact is so different than their neighbors the Brazilians. Are Argentine girls more insecure? Less comfortable with sexual tension?

[TheShiningOne]

(01-14-2010 11:48 AM)PartyTime Wrote:  

(01-14-2010 10:56 AM)toddh Wrote:  

The eye contact habits threw me off for a while, b/c it's just different than in the US (like in NYC where girls will unwaveringly hold EC for example). The long-distance checking you out thing is funny...I've seen that and it takes a while to get used to (noticing some girl watching you from afar and then they avert eye contact up close.)

I wonder why the Argentine eye contact is so different than their neighbors the Brazilians. Are Argentine girls more insecure? Less comfortable with sexual tension?

It's true that sexuality is not expressed as directly as in Brazil, but I think this eye-contact thing has more to do with pride and male/female stereotypes. Girls do not want to appear easy.

Actually, there is a difference between germanic cultures (and I include America among those) and latin cultures when it comes to eye contact. Women in Latin cultures are expected to behave in a more stereotipically feminine way. In the States, if you inadvertently make eye-contact with a woman, she will smile at you, even if she's not attracted to you. In France, she will usually look down, and if she doesn't (if she sustains your gaze or smiles to you), it can be interpreted as an invitation to talk to her.

But seduction and being attractive is very big here, it is actually the first thing on everybody's agenda. The girls here love creating attraction (and then backing off). When they are abroad, many of them really miss the catcalls and the compliments.

[The_CEO]

"But seduction and being attractive is very big here, it is actually the first thing on everybody's agenda. The girls here love creating attraction (and then backing off)."

Because of this I think, Arg. guys here are ultra-persistent and I guess are expected to ask a girl out repeatedly (like 3 times) until she says yes. So it's two sides of the same coin.

Whereas stateside, her number would probably have been long since deleted.

[InternationalSwagger]

Ok back to subject...

I'm a 29 y/o Light brown, athletic African-American Male with worldly game (32 Flags) and a bit of spanish but I rely on my charm more than anything...

I had the chance to visit Buenos Aires in March, stayed at a boutique hotel and met a surfer friend down there from Ireland who was traveling the country and we hit the scene pretty hard and the women were choosing up majorly we had bottle service every single night (It was extremely cheap). I didnt go to any hip hop clubs either most of the high end clubs in the city, got major eye contact daily on the streets, cafes, restaurants, etc and picked up a few nice Socialite Argentina Flags while I was down there (one-night stand & another chick with major $ I met I ended up spending my last two days with in the city going to tango shows and other tourist ish).

I can't wait to go back (Babygirl wants me to come down and stay at her rooftop apt. in Palmero so why not?) really cool city, nice vibe shopping and I didnt have a hint of racism the whole time I was there. At the clubs I went to I only saw one brotha per night but honestly wasnt worried about it. Just went down there with my own agenda and didnt worry about stuff like that. I just do me and everything is fine. BA comes highly recommended for any fly brothas who want a cool city, nice chicks with style at a cheap price. If you speak good spanish it gets even better. Just go and make it happen. Good looking out to the brotha who posted the hip-hop clubs I'm going to check that out next time I go. @IntlSwagger

[playa_with_a_passport]

(05-22-2010 09:40 AM)InternationalSwagger Wrote:  

Ok back to subject...

I'm a 29 y/o Light brown, athletic African-American Male with worldly game (32 Flags) and a bit of spanish but I rely on my charm more than anything...

I had the chance to visit Buenos Aires in March, stayed at a boutique hotel and met a surfer friend down there from Ireland who was traveling the country and we hit the scene pretty hard and the women were choosing up majorly we had bottle service every single night (It was extremely cheap). I didnt go to any hip hop clubs either most of the high end clubs in the city, got major eye contact daily on the streets, cafes, restaurants, etc and picked up a few nice Socialite Argentina Flags while I was down there (one-night stand & another chick with major $ I met I ended up spending my last two days with in the city going to tango shows and other tourist ish).

I can't wait to go back (Babygirl wants me to come down and stay at her rooftop apt. in Palmero so why not?) really cool city, nice vibe shopping and I didnt have a hint of racism the whole time I was there. At the clubs I went to I only saw one brotha per night but honestly wasnt worried about it. Just went down there with my own agenda and didnt worry about stuff like that. I just do me and everything is fine. BA comes highly recommended for any fly brothas who want a cool city, nice chicks with style at a cheap price. If you speak good spanish it gets even better. Just go and make it happen. Good looking out to the brotha who posted the hip-hop clubs I'm going to check that out next time I go. @IntlSwagger

This was more or less my experience in Buenos Aires. I didn't really had to approached anybody and got my notches not so much because of game but because I had an instant social circle. The night I arrived in BA was election day and I went to this Bar called "Sugar" to see if Obama won. I met a few Black expats living in BA and hung out with them for the rest of the week. I met quite a few of Black African, American, Dominicans and Brazilians living in B.A. and all of them did well with the locals.

[elguapo]

Definitely not true.

Argentines (girls) are the snobbiest in the world. I'm talking about the white ones with European heritage.

[Roosh]

I met a guy in Cordoba who told me his black american guy would get approached all the time, and if he had game he'd probably clean up.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(05-22-2010 06:57 PM)elguapo Wrote:  

Definitely not true.

Argentines (girls) are the snobbiest in the world. I'm talking about the white ones with European heritage.

We are going to have to agree to disagree Guapo. Black chicks NYC with a nice body(C cups, flat stomach, phat ass) and pretty face are the most snobbiest girls in the word. But I digress, I did not find "white" Argentinas any more snobby than any other girl back in the U.S. with a half way decent body. But then again my nick name in college was the "White Women Whisperer." The only annoying thing about them is that some of them like run their mouth about where in Italy or Spain their family are from but when you ask them if they been to either place all you hear is silence and crickets. It reminded me of Italian and Irish Americans who puff their chest about how proud they are of their "Heritage" but when you ask them some basic rudimentary question about Irish or Italian history they know nothing.

[InternationalSwagger]

(05-23-2010 09:09 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

(05-22-2010 06:57 PM)elguapo Wrote:  

Definitely not true.

Argentines (girls) are the snobbiest in the world. I'm talking about the white ones with European heritage.

We are going to have to agree to disagree Guapo. Black chicks NYC with a nice body(C cups, flat stomach, phat ass) and pretty face are the most snobbiest girls in the word. But I digress, I did not find "white" Argentinas any more snobby than any other girl back in the U.S. with a half way decent body. But then again my nick name in college was the "White Women Whisperer." The only annoying thing about them is that some of them like run their mouth about where in Italy or Spain their family are from but when you ask them if they been to either place all you hear is silence and crickets. It reminded me of Italian and Irish Americans who puff their chest about how proud they are of their "Heritage" but when you ask them some basic rudimentary question about Irish or Italian history they know nothing.

SO true you summed it up quite nicely...My main chick had family from Italy but she's never been and I've been twice in the last year..go figure!

[speakeasy]

^^^ Hah! Yeah, there's nothing really all that Italian about your typical east-coast Italian.

[gringoed]

I havent been following this thread but I have been living in Argentina for 4 months so here's my input on whether dark guys would do well here:

In a word?

No



They are very close-minded and conformist. I think they're fairly racist too, although there are so few black people here it's hard to say. Sometimes they call each other "negro" or "negra" kind of like an insult, saying that a person is a bad person.

Whiteness is a sign of class here, and I'm about as white as it gets. Still, it's very hard to get with girls here. Can't imagine how hard if you're really dark skinned.

[speakeasy]

(05-23-2010 09:05 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Whiteness is a sign of class here, and I'm about as white as it gets. Still, it's very hard to get with girls here. Can't imagine how hard if you're really dark skinned.

I think it'd be close to impossible if you're dark as in looking like a Bolivian migrant. If you're black, at least some of the girls have the image of blacks as "hip" because of rap music. So I'd rather be black there than an Amerindian. Though I could give a damn about Argentine women in the first place.