[kosko]

(08-03-2012 12:17 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

(08-02-2012 08:06 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(08-02-2012 02:05 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

(08-01-2012 09:22 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If it's a life goal to become an Olympian, you could probably be a competitive powerlifter in four years.
Possibly a gymnast. If you really bust your nuts you could be a gymnast.

Still though guys, why not give it a shot? If you have money you can take time off work and train. Your physique will take one year, skill training will take an easy three. Even if you don't make the cut as a pro if you're one of three fencers in Trinidad and Tobago you're guaranteed a spot as an alternate.

Are you kidding me? There is no chance you can be a competitive powerlifter in 4 years? Not even close. Its going to take a lot longer than that.

It's possible to put on 30 pounds of lean muscle mass (irrelevant of fatty mass) in 12 to 14 weeks. This requires a trainer who knows exactly what he's doing. Picture related.
She has only been lifting for 2 years and made the team.
I apologize in advance for posting this on the roosh forums.


Whoever said powerlifting is not an olympic sport, my mistake, googled it and found out I confused olympic lifting with powerlifting.

Naysayers, you guys need to light a fire under your asses. If you're content with never aspiring towards something great it will never happen. Trying to make some kind of olympic team is doing something great. The energy involved would be a minimum of 2-4 hours per day, with few off days, but I think you could feasibly train to be an Olympic level athlete on the cheap.

Kitsune, true that. You need very good genetics, smart training, and a solid diet. Having a sort of athletic grace and thousands of hours to spread your practice over helps a lot too. Some people are naturally talented towards things, these people have a higher "athletic greatness" threshold than others.

Aliblahba, definitely these guys are boner kills.

Being a gymnast or powerlifter in 4 years is doable. The bodybuilding aspect of gymnastics, believe it or not, takes relatively little time since the average gymnast has low body fat (in the 5-8% range) and roughly 150 pounds of lean muscle mass. Ergo you aren't going to be spending years piling on slabs of muscle. You're going to spend years teaching your muscles strength. Powerlifting would be harder but you could qualify for Olympic tryouts in 4 years no problem. If you're that strong and lean though you could always try rowing.

As far as all the fucking that goes on in the olympics, you can be sure that this Holly Mangold won't be getting any. She's 340 pounds of attitude.

And why would you guys think it's not worth it? You can work a part-time job and still train for the Olympics. You'd be scoring tons of lays for being jacked and ripped. The fame of being an Olympian would actually improve, not detract from, your game. Even if you never made the team, a lot of women would bang an Olympic hopeful just to tell their friends how it was.

Seriously guys, if somebody on the Roosh forum said they were training to be an Olympian, I'd be the first one to cheer the shit out of them. I would like to myself but I've already got enough projects.

-First off, its impossible to gain 30 lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks naturally

-It will take you years to master the technical aspects of Olympic lifting, let alone have enough strength to compete. So you can't do it on the cheap because you need coaches for that.

-Holly Mangold is a girl so the competition is less in that division. Plus she has elite genetics (Brother in the NFL). Plus she played football in high school so she has weightlifted for longer than 2 years.

-I'm pretty sure the muscle leanness part is probably the easiest part of male gymnastics. It still won't help you do a routine. You can't put someone like Allen Iverson who has ridiculous amount of lean muscle and expect him to be a gymnast in 4 years of training. You are competing against people who started gymnastics when they were like 8 years old. It's hard to compete against that experience. Plus I'm guessing the average male on this board isn't real young. Half of the US mens gymnastics team is 20 years old or under. If the average guy here is 25, in 4 years he is 29 and that way past the prime for a male gymnast.

This is basically it. The fact your using a female as a example means your reaching way to hard. She probably only had to beat out 5 women max in her weight class to get to London.

Olympians mostly are the most radical and isane humans to walk this planet in regards to fitness and discipline. It takes at least 10 years (or the equvilint hours) of solid practice to become a elite world class athlete. Many are bourne with proper genetics of course but it is also insane work ethic and also access to resources such as money to help you train. Certian sports like Gymnastics you need to pay 500$ a month and practice 3-4 hours per-day. This shit is far from cheap.

If your a Rower or Kyaker you have to go evrey Saturday morning to water training while during the week your still in the weight room and on the machines or indoor pools putting in the work. This shit does not pay, so school and part-time jobs are squuezed in (unless of course you ahve money behind you). From the friends I have whom have made the Olympics I see where things started to shift. They consistantly put in the hours and time and there was really no shortcuts around it.

Now there are certian sports where you can bypass this type of shit but these are mostly sports where athletism is not as important. I think Shooting would fall in this catagory. You do not need physical poweress but the disipine nad patience would be certical.

Another is finding a quirky team sport to participate in. Handball was something I was good at, maybe its Field hockey or some shit but if your country has had descent success in at least qualifying for the Olympics in those sports then your in the right direction. But you still have to be elite to hold a spot, the only advantage is that there is less competition to deal with. There is not a high demand of kats playing field hockey, RUGBY(new sport in 2016 aside from the traditional powerhouses many other countries have decent programs, if your in college and playing Div 1 Rugby or even Div 2 seriously think about strategically hedging yourself for your countries national team) or fucking water polo.

Then lastly if your pockets are deep just go into horse racing. Age and fitness does not matter in that sport. Equestrian people just grew up in that environment and naturally went into it. Only barrier to that is $$$ as the Horse breeding and sport lifestyle is surrounded by mega deep pockets.

In the end..

The time would still need to be put in though. For any young playboys on this site whom are 15 you still have a shot. Or any older kats with some deep pockets and a lot of time could pick up niche sport and train hard at it.

Story time..

How do I know this? I really am not trying to brag but I was one of those born with esqusite phsycal genes. In my HS days I could wake up eat a Mcdees breakfast head to a track meet 5 min before my race. Not stretch and take first. I was the fasted kid on the track and in football with very little effort. I herd whispers of Olympics down the road once I began my Provincial running career. Things we;re goign so smooth I had to put in very little work to get the results I wanted. Eventually of course I hit my physical peaks/wall since I did not put in the nessary tranining I started to re-gress... well not regress I am still as fast as I was back then what hapen is that the kids that I used to smoke out of the gym. We're committed to the Track Clubs and Training. They went to all the practices 4 times a week and in due time they we're kicking my ass. All of them have been to nationals with 4 of the kats making it to national trails and one into the finals.... So in retrospect if I was no so lazy and put in the 10 years old practice I probably would be in London right now having orgies in the village with the Romanian Gymanstic team.

[Hades]

(08-03-2012 12:17 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

(08-02-2012 08:06 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(08-02-2012 02:05 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

(08-01-2012 09:22 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If it's a life goal to become an Olympian, you could probably be a competitive powerlifter in four years.
Possibly a gymnast. If you really bust your nuts you could be a gymnast.

Still though guys, why not give it a shot? If you have money you can take time off work and train. Your physique will take one year, skill training will take an easy three. Even if you don't make the cut as a pro if you're one of three fencers in Trinidad and Tobago you're guaranteed a spot as an alternate.

Are you kidding me? There is no chance you can be a competitive powerlifter in 4 years? Not even close. Its going to take a lot longer than that.

It's possible to put on 30 pounds of lean muscle mass (irrelevant of fatty mass) in 12 to 14 weeks. This requires a trainer who knows exactly what he's doing. Picture related.
She has only been lifting for 2 years and made the team.
I apologize in advance for posting this on the roosh forums.


Whoever said powerlifting is not an olympic sport, my mistake, googled it and found out I confused olympic lifting with powerlifting.

Naysayers, you guys need to light a fire under your asses. If you're content with never aspiring towards something great it will never happen. Trying to make some kind of olympic team is doing something great. The energy involved would be a minimum of 2-4 hours per day, with few off days, but I think you could feasibly train to be an Olympic level athlete on the cheap.

Kitsune, true that. You need very good genetics, smart training, and a solid diet. Having a sort of athletic grace and thousands of hours to spread your practice over helps a lot too. Some people are naturally talented towards things, these people have a higher "athletic greatness" threshold than others.

Aliblahba, definitely these guys are boner kills.

Being a gymnast or powerlifter in 4 years is doable. The bodybuilding aspect of gymnastics, believe it or not, takes relatively little time since the average gymnast has low body fat (in the 5-8% range) and roughly 150 pounds of lean muscle mass. Ergo you aren't going to be spending years piling on slabs of muscle. You're going to spend years teaching your muscles strength. Powerlifting would be harder but you could qualify for Olympic tryouts in 4 years no problem. If you're that strong and lean though you could always try rowing.

As far as all the fucking that goes on in the olympics, you can be sure that this Holly Mangold won't be getting any. She's 340 pounds of attitude.

And why would you guys think it's not worth it? You can work a part-time job and still train for the Olympics. You'd be scoring tons of lays for being jacked and ripped. The fame of being an Olympian would actually improve, not detract from, your game. Even if you never made the team, a lot of women would bang an Olympic hopeful just to tell their friends how it was.

Seriously guys, if somebody on the Roosh forum said they were training to be an Olympian, I'd be the first one to cheer the shit out of them. I would like to myself but I've already got enough projects.

-First off, its impossible to gain 30 lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks naturally

-It will take you years to master the technical aspects of Olympic lifting, let alone have enough strength to compete. So you can't do it on the cheap because you need coaches for that.

-Holly Mangold is a girl so the competition is less in that division. Plus she has elite genetics (Brother in the NFL). Plus she played football in high school so she has weightlifted for longer than 2 years.

-I'm pretty sure the muscle leanness part is probably the easiest part of male gymnastics. It still won't help you do a routine. You can't put someone like Allen Iverson who has ridiculous amount of lean muscle and expect him to be a gymnast in 4 years of training. You are competing against people who started gymnastics when they were like 8 years old. It's hard to compete against that experience. Plus I'm guessing the average male on this board isn't real young. Half of the US mens gymnastics team is 20 years old or under. If the average guy here is 25, in 4 years he is 29 and that way past the prime for a male gymnast.

-Naw, it's not impossible to bulk. It's even been documented. The dude in question did put on a fair bit of body fat but that's not a huge problem. Check out my training blog. It's listed under Rippetoe's "Starting Strength". Another solid example is Christian Bale.

-Yes it is difficult to compete against somebody who's been practicing since age 8 in gymnastics. However, it is impossible to compete against these people if you don't train at all.

-John Gill was a 6' 2" 180 pound college sophomore with no training when he started training as a male gymnast, and he was able to do butterfly pullups, one-armed front levers, and sets of 6 one-armed chinups no more than 2 years later. A butterfly pullup is a highly elite strength maneuver, requiring far more strength than a standard iron cross. Considering that he could do a one-armed front lever, it's not impossible to suggest that the victorian cross was outside of his grasp, which many qualified people said was impossible not long ago.

-While the technical aspects of gymnastics may have eluded him for lack of skill training, in just two years (going from no athleticism to full tilt), he had already built up more strength than most serious male gymnasts. Not many male gymnasts can do a one-armed front lever. In an age of fatasses you give Olympians too much credit. Gill had no trainer.

-His genetics were also not freakish. He simply trained for bouldering. The guy also made discoveries with respect to linear fractional transformations of the complex plane in mathematics, so it clearly wasn't an all-consuming lifestyle decision like you guys make Olympic training out to be.

-Oksana Chusovitina is a female gymnast (german, I think) at 37 who is now competing in the olympics. While she has trained since a young age, and is one of few athletic coaches who is consistently better than her students, that does not mean that one cannot start training at 25 and be in competitive shape at 30.

-Many physical culturists from the 40s-50s (Jasper Benincasa, Jack LaLane) did strength train but did not train gymnastics until well into their 30s-50s, and were still competitive in the strength department. The same is the case with a "new" crew of bar-star male athletes. There's guys in New York doing muscle-ups and untucked front lever-ups who did not start training until they were 50. This is impressive.

-What I am stressing is that with the right training program and lifestyle, a man between 5' 4" and 5' 8" could be in Olympic shape in no more than 4 years. 2 years (or less) if his lean body mass already approached an ideal for his frame. Anything above that height and genetics come into play.

Here's a quote from the guy who's training most of the olympic athletes you see on TV.

Christopher Sommer Wrote:

My college coach, Wayne Young, didn't begin gymnastics until he started college. He came into the sport with a background in diving and some trampoline. Several years after beginning gymnastics he was the U.S. National Champion, defeating many athletes who had been training their entire lives. In 1976 Wayne was our highest finishing athlete at the Olympics (21st in the All Around I believe).

My suggestion is simply train for gymnastics, build a heavy physique using muscleups, front and back lever pullups, one armed chins, etc; then try for the rowing team.

As for the Olympic lifting, there is almost nothing technical about Olympic lifting. There are only two lifts, the snatch and the clean and jerk. You can learn how to do them in an afternoon. The problem with these is that they are explosive lifts, and building enough strength per X lean body mass requires neuromuscular conditioning, which does take years. But it need not take more than 4 to 10 years if sufficient lean mass is a given.

As you can see with Holly Mangold above, she went the heavyweight route. While there is less competition for women in the super heavyweight division, she only trained the lifts for 2 years.

Her enormous fatness also (to some extent) gives her a serious disadvantage in these lifts, as every pound of fat lost is roughly half a pound to each lift gained. The only advantage of being very fat is that it cuts down on the true range of motion (the belly prevents a true squat in the snatch lift).

Also in the case of athletes, many people simply do not physically peak in maximal strength until they hit forty or even fifty. If you're twenty years old today, and you trained consistently for many years and maintained shoulder flexibility, it is not unreasonable to believe that by the time you hit 30 or 35, you would be able to compete against Olympic athletes in your weight class.

Case in point, Bob Peoples did not peak in strength until he was (40-50?) at the least, middle aged. At 180 pounds of body weight he deadlifted 742 pounds. At the time, this was a world record. He did this with no trainer or anything, just lifting heavy shit in his basement every day. He basically invented half of the weight room equipment you may use today. Eight months of learning power and doing Olympic lifts and he could have probably competed against the Russians. Paul Anderson is widely regarded as the strongest man who ever lived, and he trained by himself in a junkyard. Louis Cyr back pressed something like four tons. No trainers, no supplements, no driving to competitive meets, no bullshit.

You guys remind me of those people who argue about how awesome karate experts are and how because they can break concrete bricks, they can punch people really hard and win fights. The whole mystique surrounding Olympians is the result of nothing but training, which is in anyone's grasp. Don't be so easily intimidated by people who throw down a lot of of money for trainers and who front a lot of credibility. Respect their gains, respect their training and excellence, but you guys make insurmountable problems out of lifestyle choices.

(08-03-2012 12:56 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 12:17 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

(08-02-2012 08:06 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(08-02-2012 02:05 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

(08-01-2012 09:22 PM)Hades Wrote:  

If it's a life goal to become an Olympian, you could probably be a competitive powerlifter in four years.
Possibly a gymnast. If you really bust your nuts you could be a gymnast.

Still though guys, why not give it a shot? If you have money you can take time off work and train. Your physique will take one year, skill training will take an easy three. Even if you don't make the cut as a pro if you're one of three fencers in Trinidad and Tobago you're guaranteed a spot as an alternate.

Are you kidding me? There is no chance you can be a competitive powerlifter in 4 years? Not even close. Its going to take a lot longer than that.

It's possible to put on 30 pounds of lean muscle mass (irrelevant of fatty mass) in 12 to 14 weeks. This requires a trainer who knows exactly what he's doing. Picture related.
She has only been lifting for 2 years and made the team.
I apologize in advance for posting this on the roosh forums.


Whoever said powerlifting is not an olympic sport, my mistake, googled it and found out I confused olympic lifting with powerlifting.

Naysayers, you guys need to light a fire under your asses. If you're content with never aspiring towards something great it will never happen. Trying to make some kind of olympic team is doing something great. The energy involved would be a minimum of 2-4 hours per day, with few off days, but I think you could feasibly train to be an Olympic level athlete on the cheap.

Kitsune, true that. You need very good genetics, smart training, and a solid diet. Having a sort of athletic grace and thousands of hours to spread your practice over helps a lot too. Some people are naturally talented towards things, these people have a higher "athletic greatness" threshold than others.

Aliblahba, definitely these guys are boner kills.

Being a gymnast or powerlifter in 4 years is doable. The bodybuilding aspect of gymnastics, believe it or not, takes relatively little time since the average gymnast has low body fat (in the 5-8% range) and roughly 150 pounds of lean muscle mass. Ergo you aren't going to be spending years piling on slabs of muscle. You're going to spend years teaching your muscles strength. Powerlifting would be harder but you could qualify for Olympic tryouts in 4 years no problem. If you're that strong and lean though you could always try rowing.

As far as all the fucking that goes on in the olympics, you can be sure that this Holly Mangold won't be getting any. She's 340 pounds of attitude.

And why would you guys think it's not worth it? You can work a part-time job and still train for the Olympics. You'd be scoring tons of lays for being jacked and ripped. The fame of being an Olympian would actually improve, not detract from, your game. Even if you never made the team, a lot of women would bang an Olympic hopeful just to tell their friends how it was.

Seriously guys, if somebody on the Roosh forum said they were training to be an Olympian, I'd be the first one to cheer the shit out of them. I would like to myself but I've already got enough projects.

-First off, its impossible to gain 30 lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks naturally

-It will take you years to master the technical aspects of Olympic lifting, let alone have enough strength to compete. So you can't do it on the cheap because you need coaches for that.

-Holly Mangold is a girl so the competition is less in that division. Plus she has elite genetics (Brother in the NFL). Plus she played football in high school so she has weightlifted for longer than 2 years.

-I'm pretty sure the muscle leanness part is probably the easiest part of male gymnastics. It still won't help you do a routine. You can't put someone like Allen Iverson who has ridiculous amount of lean muscle and expect him to be a gymnast in 4 years of training. You are competing against people who started gymnastics when they were like 8 years old. It's hard to compete against that experience. Plus I'm guessing the average male on this board isn't real young. Half of the US mens gymnastics team is 20 years old or under. If the average guy here is 25, in 4 years he is 29 and that way past the prime for a male gymnast.

This is basically it. The fact your using a female as a example means your reaching way to hard. She probably only had to beat out 5 women max in her weight class to get to London.

Olympians mostly are the most radical and isane humans to walk this planet in regards to fitness and discipline. It takes at least 10 years (or the equvilint hours) of solid practice to become a elite world class athlete. Many are bourne with proper genetics of course but it is also insane work ethic and also access to resources such as money to help you train. Certian sports like Gymnastics you need to pay 500$ a month and practice 3-4 hours per-day. This shit is far from cheap.

If your a Rower or Kyaker you have to go evrey Saturday morning to water training while during the week your still in the weight room and on the machines or indoor pools putting in the work. This shit does not pay, so school and part-time jobs are squuezed in (unless of course you ahve money behind you). From the friends I have whom have made the Olympics I see where things started to shift. They consistantly put in the hours and time and there was really no shortcuts around it.

Now there are certian sports where you can bypass this type of shit but these are mostly sports where athletism is not as important. I think Shooting would fall in this catagory. You do not need physical poweress but the disipine nad patience would be certical.

Another is finding a quirky team sport to participate in. Handball was something I was good at, maybe its Field hockey or some shit but if your country has had descent success in at least qualifying for the Olympics in those sports then your in the right direction. But you still have to be elite to hold a spot, the only advantage is that there is less competition to deal with. There is not a high demand of kats playing field hockey, RUGBY(new sport in 2016 aside from the traditional powerhouses many other countries have decent programs, if your in college and playing Div 1 Rugby or even Div 2 seriously think about strategically hedging yourself for your countries national team) or fucking water polo.

Then lastly if your pockets are deep just go into horse racing. Age and fitness does not matter in that sport. Equestrian people just grew up in that environment and naturally went into it. Only barrier to that is $$$ as the Horse breeding and sport lifestyle is surrounded by mega deep pockets.

In the end..

The time would still need to be put in though. For any young playboys on this site whom are 15 you still have a shot. Or any older kats with some deep pockets and a lot of time could pick up niche sport and train hard at it.

Story time..

How do I know this? I really am not trying to brag but I was one of those born with esqusite phsycal genes. In my HS days I could wake up eat a Mcdees breakfast head to a track meet 5 min before my race. Not stretch and take first. I was the fasted kid on the track and in football with very little effort. I herd whispers of Olympics down the road once I began my Provincial running career. Things we;re goign so smooth I had to put in very little work to get the results I wanted. Eventually of course I hit my physical peaks/wall since I did not put in the nessary tranining I started to re-gress... well not regress I am still as fast as I was back then what hapen is that the kids that I used to smoke out of the gym. We're committed to the Track Clubs and Training. They went to all the practices 4 times a week and in due time they we're kicking my ass. All of them have been to nationals with 4 of the kats making it to national trails and one into the finals.... So in retrospect if I was no so lazy and put in the 10 years old practice I probably would be in London right now having orgies in the village with the Romanian Gymanstic team.

That's good to hear kosko I guess. I knew a few unbelievable athletes growing up but inside of this year I have nearly matched some of their feats strength wise. I haven't yet deadlifted 500 but I hope to by this winter. This is all because of my six months of free gymnastics training. If the US is going to put together a rugby team for the olympics I definitely want to watch it. I'd never (ever) be able to play at that level but it doesn't hurt to dream lol.

I picked Holly Mangold because she has not been training long. Yeah you could argue "elite genetics" but I'd just say standard endmorphy, as you can see from her figure. While she's always been big, it is not impossible to bulk muscle. I would also argue that she is big despite her football training.

[WanderingSoul]

Bulking has nothing to do with Olympic lifting. It is not the same sport as powerlifting. I didn't read your last couple replies, because they are way too long, but I have to ask...Have you ever done any Olympic lifting? I assume no, because if you had, you would know that it is extremely hard.

Olympic lifting on a high level requires you to be an amazing athlete. It evolves so much skill and technique. It looks easy, but I can assure you it is not.

How much actual Olympic lifting, not squats/deadlifts, did you do before you came to the conclusion that someone could make the Olympic trials in 4 years?

[Hades]

(08-03-2012 10:54 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Bulking has nothing to do with Olympic lifting. It is not the same sport as powerlifting. I didn't read your last couple replies, because they are way too long, but I have to ask...Have you ever done any Olympic lifting? I assume no, because if you had, you would know that it is extremely hard.

Olympic lifting on a high level requires you to be an amazing athlete. It evolves so much skill and technique. It looks easy, but I can assure you it is not.

How much actual Olympic lifting, not squats/deadlifts, did you do before you came to the conclusion that someone could make the Olympic trials in 4 years?

Alrighty, here is my quote.


As for the Olympic lifting, there is almost nothing technical about Olympic lifting. There are only two lifts, the snatch and the clean and jerk. You can learn how to do them in an afternoon. The problem with these is that they are explosive lifts, and building enough strength per X lean body mass requires neuromuscular conditioning, which does take years. But it need not take more than 4 to 10 years if sufficient lean mass is a given.

I'll stand by my assertion that there's nothing technical about an Olympic lift. Whether you're pressing 20 pounds or 200 pounds the motion is exactly the same.

Personally I don't do barbell work. However when I have access to a gym I don't mind throwing around iron. I have done clean and jerks and snatches before and honestly don't know why everyone says they're technical lifts.

Now there is a phenomenon called "motor learning" which I may be taking advantage of, and that would likely be because of my gymnastic work. Basically if you do enough dance, gymnastics, tumbling, that sort of thing, you can pick up on movements more easily. Somebody with very good (learned) coordination skills can pick up a movement in a few hours what would take other people several weeks. This is because people who work to improve their kinesthesia have greater sensory awareness of their hands, joints, and feet. I'm going to write a blog post about it in a few days.

I'm going to argue that you can condition to Olympic shape inside of four years because at least one athlete did already. And if you don't make it past the trials you keep training. I did write 4 to 10 years in the quote.

[WanderingSoul]

(08-03-2012 11:51 AM)Hades Wrote:  

As for the Olympic lifting, there is almost nothing technical about Olympic lifting. There are only two lifts, the snatch and the clean and jerk. You can learn how to do them in an afternoon. The problem with these is that they are explosive lifts, and building enough strength per X lean body mass requires neuromuscular conditioning, which does take years. But it need not take more than 4 to 10 years if sufficient lean mass is a given.

I'll stand by my assertion that there's nothing technical about an Olympic lift. Whether you're pressing 20 pounds or 200 pounds the motion is exactly the same.

Personally I don't do barbell work. However when I have access to a gym I don't mind throwing around iron. I have done clean and jerks and snatches before and honestly don't know why everyone says they're technical lifts.

Now there is a phenomenon called "motor learning" which I may be taking advantage of, and that would likely be because of my gymnastic work. Basically if you do enough dance, gymnastics, tumbling, that sort of thing, you can pick up on movements more easily. Somebody with very good (learned) coordination skills can pick up a movement in a few hours what would take other people several weeks. This is because people who work to improve their kinesthesia have greater sensory awareness of their hands, joints, and feet. I'm going to write a blog post about it in a few days.

I'm going to argue that you can condition to Olympic shape inside of four years because at least one athlete did already. And if you don't make it past the trials you keep training. I did write 4 to 10 years in the quote.

[Vicious]

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

[Roark]

(08-01-2012 12:09 PM)Safado Wrote:  

Which country would you play for and which sport would you play?

Working on getting my Korean citizenship currently, I'd probably do curling for them if they're willing to put a team forward. There are plenty of curling rinks where I can practice in my home town in my home country. I've never seen a curling rink in Korea and don't know what the competition is like, but I can probably get better coaches and more practice than anyone who resides in Korea (you do not have to reside in the country you compete for).

I definitely wouldn't get a medal but I might become an "Olympian."

I'm also working on getting my Overseas Indian Citizenship, however it is not a real citizenship so I imagine I couldn't actually represent India.

Don't want to get involved in the debate about Olympic lifting, but it is nearly all technique and form when you get to the upper levels. Just because the lift takes less than half a second doesn't mean there isn't technique. It means that tiny problems with your technique will be immensely magnified. And you'd have to pick a pretty backwater country to get good enough in 3 years (1 year before you have to start entering qualifiers). Bringing up stuff like muscle mass gains does not support any argument. There are weight classes in this sport. Also, I worked on my Oly lifts for years (I don't now) and did stuff that would disqualify me from competing in Olympic competitions and never even came close to being at a competitive level. Every time I'd make strength gains my body weight would also go up, which is a problem in a weight class sport.

[The Fantasist]

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

You are completely wrong! Not only can you get to the Olympics in 4 years,you can win gold.

A British girl just won Olympic gold in the rowing and guess what,until four years ago she had never even been in a boat or held an oar. Her name is Helen Glover and here is her story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

A few years back when we were awarded the Olympics in London adverts appeared for tall athletic people to try out for sports that we are historically shit at. Lots of guys and girls tried out for volleyball,handball,water polo etc. since we had a right to field teams as the home nation but had no players since we don't play those sports much. So at the London Olympics there are many many guys and girls who had no experience or sporting background until a few years back that have made it to the games. They were just lucky to be the right age and have the right genetic make up and determination and to be British. The same thing happens at every games. They have little chance of winning but they are still in the Olympic fuck-fest.

[Vicious]

(08-03-2012 04:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

You are completely wrong! Not only can you get to the Olympics in 4 years,you can win gold.

A British girl just won Olympic gold in the rowing and guess what,until four years ago she had never even been in a boat or held an oar. Her name is Helen Glover and here is her story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

And how is this some kind of empirical evidence that 4 years of training from scratch is all you need to place in the Olympics in the event of your choice? Do you see yourself as a 22 yo woman?

[reaper23]

nothing technical about olympic lifts?


hahaha the snatch is the single most technical weight lifting thing you can do!

its one thing to be able to do a lift that resembles the snatch to an untrained eye. but to do it in such a way that maximizes power and efficiency - it is the definition of technical. the slightest deviations from perfect form, leverage, push, pull, jump, and the rest and you lose so much in your lift.

maximizing it is where the technicality comes in

methinksyoudontknowwhatyouretalkingabout

[MikeCF]

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

Haha, yeah.

The conversation comes up frequently in fighting.

"I'm 28. Never trained. Could I be a UFC champ?"

People greatly overestimate their abilities.

People are also ignorant.

Thus threads like this are born!

[The Fantasist]

(08-03-2012 05:01 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

You are completely wrong! Not only can you get to the Olympics in 4 years,you can win gold.

A British girl just won Olympic gold in the rowing and guess what,until four years ago she had never even been in a boat or held an oar. Her name is Helen Glover

and here is her story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

And how is this some kind of empirical evidence that 4 years of training from
scratch is all you need to place in the Olympics in the event of your choice? Do you see yourself as a 22 yo woman?

Nice try.

Go read your post again. You made no mention of the snatch,you said it's insulting
that people say you can get to the Olympics in four years. I showed you it can be done and that you're wrong. Simples. Instead of shifting the goal posts maybe just admit you're wrong.

[Vicious]

(08-04-2012 01:02 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:01 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

You are completely wrong! Not only can you get to the Olympics in 4 years,you can win gold.

A British girl just won Olympic gold in the rowing and guess what,until four years ago she had never even been in a boat or held an oar. Her name is Helen Glover

and here is her story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

And how is this some kind of empirical evidence that 4 years of training from
scratch is all you need to place in the Olympics in the event of your choice? Do you see yourself as a 22 yo woman?

Nice try.

Go read your post again. You made no mention of the snatch,you said it's insulting
that people say you can get to the Olympics in four years. I showed you it can be done and that you're wrong. Simples. Instead of shifting the goal posts maybe just admit you're wrong.

Take your own advice and go back and read my post again. Seems you were too anxious to hit the reply button to read it right. No I made no mention of snatch, but from scratch, ie as in from no previous experience.

Did I say no one has ever done it or it can't be done? No. That you have to drag out an example of a girl having done it doesn't make a lick of difference. The female events are far, far less competitive than the male ones.

People getting to the Olympics in 4 years isn't insluting, it's the people TALKING about it that are. Dude, instead of just keep keyjockeying this Disney ending, I will swear my assertion was exaggerated if you qualify to the Olympic games in Rio de Janerio 2016 in an event picked at this moment. So get to it, it's real simple right?

[The Fantasist]

(08-04-2012 02:15 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 01:02 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:01 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've competed professionally for my country in a sport. I got to represent in 2 international competitions before being cut. I trained in this sport for 7 years before this opportunity came to me, and I wasn't anywhere close to the level of the guys going to the Olympics.

This get-to-the-Olympics-in-4-years-scheme is simultaneously so insulting, moronic and keyboard jockey-ish that it deserves some kind of new troll label.

You are completely wrong! Not only can you get to the Olympics in 4 years,you can win gold.

A British girl just won Olympic gold in the rowing and guess what,until four years ago she had never even been in a boat or held an oar. Her name is Helen Glover

and here is her story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

And how is this some kind of empirical evidence that 4 years of training from
scratch is all you need to place in the Olympics in the event of your choice? Do you see yourself as a 22 yo woman?

Nice try.

Go read your post again. You made no mention of the snatch,you said it's insulting
that people say you can get to the Olympics in four years. I showed you it can be done and that you're wrong. Simples. Instead of shifting the goal posts maybe just admit you're wrong.

Take your own advice and go back and read my post again. Seems you were too anxious to hit the reply button to read it right. No I made no mention of snatch, but from scratch, ie as in from no previous experience.

Did I say no one has ever done it or it can't be done? No. That you have to drag out an example of a girl having done it doesn't make a lick of difference. The female events are far, far less competitive than the male ones.

People getting to the Olympics in 4 years isn't insluting, it's the people TALKING about it that are. Dude, instead of just keep keyjockeying this Disney ending, I will swear my assertion was exaggerated if you qualify to the Olympic games in Rio de Janerio 2016 in an event picked at this moment. So get to it, it's real simple right?

You made a statement and I showed you were wrong. Simple. And now you're flapping about to regain some pride! Why do you care so much? Is your ego so wrapped up in being right? Funny that such a small thing has got you all worked up and now you're challenging me to qualify for the Olympics.

Go make yourself a nice cup of tea and have a nap sweetheart because you are taking an internet thread way too seriously.

[Vicious]

(08-04-2012 02:23 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 02:15 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 01:02 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:01 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

You are completely wrong! Not only can you get to the Olympics in 4 years,you can win gold.

A British girl just won Olympic gold in the rowing and guess what,until four years ago she had never even been in a boat or held an oar. Her name is Helen Glover

and here is her story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

And how is this some kind of empirical evidence that 4 years of training from
scratch is all you need to place in the Olympics in the event of your choice? Do you see yourself as a 22 yo woman?

Nice try.

Go read your post again. You made no mention of the snatch,you said it's insulting
that people say you can get to the Olympics in four years. I showed you it can be done and that you're wrong. Simples. Instead of shifting the goal posts maybe just admit you're wrong.

Take your own advice and go back and read my post again. Seems you were too anxious to hit the reply button to read it right. No I made no mention of snatch, but from scratch, ie as in from no previous experience.

Did I say no one has ever done it or it can't be done? No. That you have to drag out an example of a girl having done it doesn't make a lick of difference. The female events are far, far less competitive than the male ones.

People getting to the Olympics in 4 years isn't insluting, it's the people TALKING about it that are. Dude, instead of just keep keyjockeying this Disney ending, I will swear my assertion was exaggerated if you qualify to the Olympic games in Rio de Janerio 2016 in an event picked at this moment. So get to it, it's real simple right?

You made a statement and I showed you were wrong. Simple. And now you're flapping about to regain some pride! Why do you care so much? Is your ego so wrapped up in being right?

---

You are repeating yourself. I responded to this already:

(08-03-2012 05:01 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Did I say no one has ever done it or it can't be done? No.

You keep wanting this to be something about right and wrong, which is odd since I haven't made a factual statement but expressed an opinion of disgust. We saw in your earlier post that reading comprehension is not your strong suit though.

Quote:

Funny that such a small thing has got you all worked up and now you're challenging me to qualify for the Olympics.

I'm daring you to put your money were your mouth is. It's the most common and understandable challenge there is.

That I find keyboard jockeys insulting is because in my life I have at a time endeavoured to actually compete at international levels and I've put in the work for it. I'm not surprised that you don't understand why this gets to me, you have most likely never made any such effort in your life - and thus you don't know how to relate.

[Tornado]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rowing/19112057

Well this guy trained for the olympics for 3 months and got in. We did not do too well but he got in. So anything is possible

[Hannibal]

-wrong thread, sorry

[Hades]

I think you guys greatly overestimate the technical difficulty of the snatch. I personally find no technical difficulty snatching whatsoever. Learned it in the gym by watching my friends, practicing it, then checking form on youtube.
You can take any physical maneuver, break it down into components, learn each individually, and put it together. The same general principle applies to parkour. My shoulders and thoracic spine are very flexible so I'm sure that my snatching is OK.

I also think you guys give too much mystical credit to Olympians in general. The only difference between them and you is training and possibly genetics. With training, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to at least make the tryouts. I did also say it could take 4 to 10 years. Of training. I also provided links and examples of people who did manage to do this in 4 years or less. If you don't make it in 10 years, odds are you never will. I'll stay beta, but don't let your egos get in the way of what could instead be an interesting history lesson.

If the guy who currently trains all the olympic athletes (Sommers) says that there was a brilliant gymnast who didn't start until he was 19, and won US National Champion after some years, then it goes to show that you can make up for lost time. That lost time won't be made up for if you don't train. Thus it is not impossible to distinguish yourself in a sport comparatively later in life. Which applies to many Rooshers.

I didn't say the Olympics would be easy, odds are it will be the most difficult thing you will ever do. You're competing against distinguished naturals who train. That's all I'm saying.

[Giovonny]

This thread is stupid and I think the op is a troll. Those athletes have been training full time for their whole lives. Many of them were born and raised to compete in their sport. In many countries they start training at 2,3, or 4 years old.

You can't just decide one day that you are gonna play against them and think you have a chance. They have been doing it for decades! 3-4 years of practice is nothing compared to 15-20 years of work. Especially, if they started as children. When you train since childhood, that shit become part of you. That is your life. You can't just do that in a few years. You are going against the best in the world, not some dude at the local ymca.

[reaper23]

(08-04-2012 01:20 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I think you guys greatly overestimate the technical difficulty of the snatch. I personally find no technical difficulty snatching whatsoever. Learned it in the gym by watching my friends, practicing it, then checking form on youtube.

how long have you snatched?

have you ever received any coaching in it?

I can also do what appears to be running - but i'll tell you, i don't do it very well. running you say? thats not a technical skill! sure it isn't.

or jumping. like, say, the triple jump. not technical?

i realize that this is from wikipedia, but:

"The lift requires not only great strength, but mastery of technical skills, a high degree of shoulder flexibility, excellent balance, and speed. However, power and strength do play an important role in differentiating athletes in competition, particularly at advanced levels, where the majority of competitors have mastered the technical aspects of the lift."


once you actually do something for a while you can begin to learn its intricacies. to claim its not technical is pretty silly. its literally, the single most technical lifting thing you can do.

so technical, they made an olympic sport out of it

[rlongo924]

this is stupid. There's absolutely no way you can become an olympian at any sport in four years if you're just starting out in that sport.

If you already have a predisposition for a certain sport and played at a high level, then maybe you could have some sort of a chance if you totally dedicated your life 100% to that sport.

But otherwise, there's no shot.

[Bad Hussar]

Look, as others have said above it has happened for a few people in less than 4 years so it is possible. But the odds are tiny, and unless you actually are good at the sport I doubt it would do much for your rep.

The OP probably has in mind someone like Nasser Al Attiyah from Qatar. He's a Qatari rally driver who won the Paris-Dakar Rally who trained to be some kind of shooter (apparently did not train for very long, but who can say) and won a bronze medal a few days ago.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/3...J320120731

But even after a casual glance at his situation you just KNOW that he is super-loaded and super-connected (in Qatar and elsewhere). Which helps with being able to train with the best, and also in getting your National Olympic Committee to select you on the strength of.....well, nothing at all.

Really not trying to be negative. As said above all posters here would encourage anyone who wants to compete at the Olympics. At the end of the day, even if you fail to gain a spot it really doesn't matter if you've gone all out.

[OldRich]

The OP asked if it was possible, of course it is possible. One of my buddy was training for Wrestling about 2 years go and he never Wrestle in his life decided to train for London and the guy is pushing 40. Unfortunately, there were some legal problems so he never got the chance to go all the way. Who am I to tell him it's impossible? Anything is possible!

The question is why the hell would you want to for some ass?

[Divorco]

In Washington, D.C., she would be considered an "8" and would be rejecting Michael Phelps.

[Giovonny]

(08-06-2012 11:02 AM)OldRich Wrote:  

One of my buddy was training for Wrestling about 2 years go and he never Wrestle in his life decided to train for London and the guy is pushing 40. Unfortunately, there were some legal problems so he never got the chance to go all the way.

He is pushing 40 and he has only been wrestling for 2 years. The chances he would make the olympic team are.....oh forget it!!