[Fortis]

Yes, some people hate him for getting women, but just because a dude gets women doesn't make him some sort of paragon of intellect and all the other traits men aspire to. I sometimes think this forum is a bit too obsessed with being an alpha cad.

I don't hate zyzz. He's just another man who made some silly mistakes; in fact, I think zyzz is a victim of our society in a sense. He felt that the only way to attain value as a man was through having a superlative physique. Yes, this did "work" for him in a sense, but he died in a THai hot tub after shooting god-knows-what into his body. I'm not a steroid hater, but you do deserve to get made fun of if you don't use roids responsibly. He could have easily lived if he had respect his heart condition and not exacerbated it by being reckless.

Yes, I know everyone ont his forum is always talking about how they'd rather die at 40 and live a reckless, adventure-filled life rather than make it to 80 and be a boring beta, but sometimes stupid is stupid and there is no way around it.

TL;DR: he inspired men, banged chicks but was ultimately not such a great role model, especially if you're trying to do roids responsibly.

[Seamus]

I have no idea if Zyzz was dumb, secretly insecure, careless with his cycles, or whatever else people say about him. Honestly I don't give a shit.

Coming across a Zyzz photo always inspires me to stop making excuses and bust my ass in the gym. Roids or not, the guy's transformation was absolutely incredible. He decided he wanted to improve himself, and he did. That's the big takeaway for me.

[WanderingSoul]

I think Zyzz was great.

Was he a tool and douche bag? Sure, a bit. But he was also really young.

Zyzz started as a kid destined to get no pussy in life, and changed that to getting more pussy than probably 95% of the guys on this forum.

But the thing that I mostly liked about him is that he was inspirational. Not just because he had a great body, but because he would make videos telling young kids to not be "sad cunts", as he put it, and basically that they can change their lives if they want to. He let them know that he wasn't born some super handsome, jacked, pussy magnet. He was a normal dude who transformed himself, and that they can do the same.

He obviously made some bad choices, and isn't a perfect role model, but I think he gets way more hate than he deserves. He probably changed the lives of hundreds, possibly thousands, of young boys who would have went through life as shy, weak little betas had it not been for Zyzz. He earned my respect for that.

[Menace]

RIP Zyzz. He died so that we can all make it bros. Lets get out there and lift and do an extra rep for Zyzz.

[BSYD3000]

You got to love his tag line

Zyzz:

Son of Zeus
Brother of Hercules
Father of aesthetics

[blck]

Too much Truth in this thread made Zyzz fans faint



And if the aesthetics only make this kind of girls fall I'm not in anymore

[ComebackKid]

I don't see the appeal, but props to him for being honest about steroid use. He didn't hide that his physique was build on blasting test and tren.

[Byzantium]

(08-13-2012 01:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  

And funny enough it is known that King David had Gay dreams and allusions and was probably a closet homo with biblical Johnathon lol.

So the most aesthetically perfect work of art was done by a male and based off David whom was a flaming homosexual.

David had a large harem, and an even larger number of children from all those women, and still fell into adultery with a married woman and knocked her up, while the husband wasn't around, and resorted to murder to cover it up.

There was no sodomy going on with Jonathan, David and many other completely straight men of the era had "bromances" with other men, because men could be your equals and friends, while women were for sex and children, even more so when you're young soldiers like David and Jonathan and out in the field for months at a time.

[Byzantium]

(12-09-2015 01:01 AM)BSYD3000 Wrote:  

You got to love his tag line

Zyzz:

Son of Zeus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZXSv6pwvyc

(12-09-2015 01:01 AM)BSYD3000 Wrote:  

Brother of Hercules

Plutarch, in his Eroticos, said that Heracles' male lovers were beyond counting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWsuZHzfsmk

(12-09-2015 01:01 AM)BSYD3000 Wrote:  

Father of aesthetics

"For your gods did not abstain even from boys. One loved Hylas, another Hyacinthus, another Pelops, another Chrysippus, another Ganymedes. These are the gods your wives are to worship!" (Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Greeks, approx. 180-190 AD).

[civpro]

The way I view him, he was neither a good person nor a bad person; not a hard-worker, but hardly a slouch either. His legacy is that he was a prophet of the narcissism of our age. He stumbled onto a dark secret: Perma-blast trenbolone = Become a somebody.

[blck]

Someone said Narcissism ?

[Bienvenuto]

(08-12-2012 06:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 02:51 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 02:29 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Regular cardio, moving your own body weight around, sports... all good. But squatting 2x your body weight with a heart defect is dangerous.

Does the danger come from the body being under the pressure of external weight or that the body is involved in a heavy complex movement? I do bodyweight exercises and although I don't have a large amount of weight on my chest when I do a one-armed pushup, my arm is still pushing about 130 lbs. I ask because most people associate bodyweight exercises with stuff like pushups and pullups for muscular endurance.

I don't know the specifics, you should ask a doctor if you want 100% solid info. But what I learned from my friend was that heavy lifting involving 70% or more of your total muscle mass at once puts a lot of stress on your heart. Your heart has to pump a shitload of blood at once to keep the muscles functioning and if you are born with a heart defect you can cause a blood vessal to burst.

Obviously you should contact your doctor and see if your heart is healthy, but I'm almost 100% certain that all pediatrics check your heart while you're growing up.

Zyzz is currently being debated vigorously on another thread - thread-13091...pid1757404 - so I think its worth revisiting this guy and his death.

George Soros' Wikipedia states that "On 5 August 2011, Shavershian suffered a heart attack in a sauna, while on holiday in Pattaya.[28] He was taken to a hospital, where doctors were unable to revive him.[4][19][11] His family and friends placed news of his death on Facebook. His death was confirmed on 9 August 2011 by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT).[7] An autopsy revealed a previously undiagnosed congenital heart defect.[7] His family stated he had shown several minor symptoms in the few months leading up to August 2011, including high blood pressure and occasional shortness of breath. He had a family history of heart problems.[7]"

(Good old Wikipedia eh?
Check out its laughable summary of the Killian papers controversy that made Dan Rather a laughing stock in US media circles. It tries to turn the discussion of 'accusations of bias' - (which was obvious left wing media bias) - into a discussion of whether the whole thing was a spy-vs-spy coup pulled off by Republican Karl Rove. ... ????

Check out the edits on Malala Yousafzai's page where earlier versions of her father's role in her dangerous 'child-star' career got cut out.

Check out the later edits on Sibel Kekilli's page where we we are told that Bild Zeitung were reprimanded for reporting that she was a former porn star. They reported what everybody knew and yet Wikipedia et al. argued that she had never done such a thing when the videos were just an internet click away. Their later edits were only grudgingly made.)

As far as Zyzz's death goes and his legacy: this is the guy that people in Sydney refer to as "the guy who did so many steroids that his heart gave out in a sauna on holiday".

This link asks some reasonable questions about Zyzz's supposed congenital heart condition.

http://scoobysworkshop.com/2015/09/02/how-zyzz-died-2/

"I get VERY tired of this, people telling me “how Zyzz died”. We do not have a cornorner’s report, a toxicology report, or any other reliable information. All we have is a press release from the family. The cause of death is very commonly white washed and sanitized to provide comfort to the family. Please stop telling me “how Zyzz died” because nobody other than the family knows, and they aren’t talking.

I certainly did not know Zyzz, but my guess is that he would not want people thinking he was some poor, innocent victim of an “un-diagnosed heart condition”. Zyzz was proud. Zyzz was alpha. Zyzz created YOLO. My guess is that Zyzz would be pissed if he knew people were trying to make him come off as some poor little innocent victim. He lived on the edge and he took chances.

His mother, who is a cardiologist, reports that her son had an un-diagnosed heart condition, have you ever stopped to think about that one? Doctors typically are very diligent about the health care of their kids, especially in their specialty. How is it that the son of a cardiologist never took a stethoscope to her sons chest or had him follow the most basic advice ever which is to get a full medical checkup before starting any exercise routine? Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me."

My take:
Zyzz was the male equivalent of an anorexic. And like anorexics his unhealthy compensatory habits (use of steroids) were way out of his own control and that eventually killed him.

Surprise, surprise.. a first generation migrant family exhibits parents who are highly career minded and whose children seem disconnected from their own family's goals for them, to be lost and to be publicly and desperately trying to find a way to move forward in the world.

Zyzz and his popularity is proof that there are generations of alienated young men desperate for some kind of initiation into the world of men and a way of going forward into having a meaningful life, their manic devotion to 'aesthetics' seems proof that there are generations with no healthy relationship with their individual fathers and the masculine world in general.

>>No confidence in how to find a way forward except in the world of teeth whitening, fake tan, gym work, steroids.<<

Zyzz's story is a sad one, and an indictment of a lost generation desperate for role models and some kind of guidance.