[Moma]

Mechanic, I say me and you go to Haiti and run a good cop, bad cop routine there.

[el mechanico]

(07-17-2012 10:06 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Mechanic, I say me and you go to Haiti and run a good cop, bad cop routine there.

Sure but not directly there. Start on the border and ease in. There's a lake that the DR and Haiti share I was going to check it out and possibly try to rent a pontoon boat and go across and see what's up.

[Kaizen]

http://livinginthedeadcity.weebly.com/1/...rfuck.html

^ great link perseus

this dude is on point

[Saladin]

(07-17-2012 08:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 06:50 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

I don't doubt an early 30s guy with money would kill it here. But I don't think this is a city for younger men. Maybe thats where G has had a different experience than forum members here. I have a friend who's a fairly wealthy lawyer in his 30s who does very well with women here. In that case he's satisfied because he gets to date women of different backgrounds thus satisfying the need for diversity.

Yeah, I really wish we had an age range on our profiles, most of the time I am arguing on here with some broke 22 year old. Which is fine, but 22 and broke vs 30's with cash, and you might as well be talking different planets.

Quote:

I have a friend who's a fairly wealthy lawyer in his 30s who does very well with women here.

See?

And this guy is a f*cking lawyer and he kills it there.

He's a very charismatic lawyer.

Yes, he gets girls, but he tells that most of the highly attractive girls are bitches. He hates models(since he hangs with them a lot) and says they are selfish, bitchy and annoying.

So yes, you can get the hot girls here if you have a great job and run in certain circles. Despite that they suck personality wise. Doesn't sound that great for a long term stay does it?

Oh, and those same "hot" girls would be 7s and 8s in other cities yet over here they are treated like 10s. In Atlanta, girls who were 7s and 8s were 10 times friendlier.

Black Quixote says the same. While the reception TO girls give him is decent he dislikes their personalities. He just left for Montreal, I'll be joining him tomorrow.

Maybe for a quick trip Toronto could be fun, but living here sucks. Which is why I'm glad I'm leaving TO in September.

In Montreal I see regular guys with cute girls. in TO its usually a good looking guy with an average girl.

[rudebwoy]

Gman - Take it easy bro, no one is saying you cannot pick-up in Toronto. We are ALL pretty much saying it takes more work than what is needed in other places.
Yes, you can run game but there are loads of thirsty guys here that you are battling against. The bottle service thing is HUGE here, so you will go to a bar/club and see 10 dudes in a booth drinking Grey Goose acting like they are big time. Of course there will be 1 or 2 girls enjoying the attention and the free drinks, two weeks ago I was at Cube Nightclub and some dudes were actually grabbing girls for free drinks.
It is hard to gauge the city sometimes, that same night I went out it was a long weekend and the City was so empty. Later on I found it was gay-pride weekend, so that seemed to scare alot of people away. lol
A place you would probably like is the Thompson hotel, which has a pretty nice lounge and rooftop patio pool area. Again the crowd can differ from week to week and there tends to be alot of late twenties and early thirties type gals, which may not be your thing.

[Vacancier Permanent]

I have said it and written it before countless times and I will repeat it again, Toronto is a dead city and wayyyyyy overrated in every single aspect. The only way TO makes sense is if you're some FOB from some 3rd world country who just moved to Canada and or you're trying to raise a family. But for a single guy or a guy who wants to play the field and maximise his ROI, TO is as dead as it gets. Fattitude to the stratosphere, white knights and feminazi a gogo, over-priced prices for everything, crappy weather 7 months of the year, high taxes...so what is there left here to really warrant staying here? You guess it right: ABSOLUTELY Nothing. I've lived in this shithole for almost 17 years and I do have a much better idea of the place and feel of it than some 1 weekender 10 years ago ago LOL. TO ain't shit. Specially after you've been to South America, Europe or Asia. And I'm not talking just on a packaged 2 weeker to an all inclusive but rather spending months at a time in the above places. Any sane man who has been abroad and got a taste of the good life outside of B-Murka will know and realize that each day spent here is a day of life wasted. Yes I am planning my definitive escape from here which should be fairly soon. I see that others have done it (Kurupt) and others are about to do it (Moma and Perseus). You guys are in the right and have seen the light and I salute you brothers. We will gladly leave all the delicacies and marvels that TO has to offer to those who are blind enough to see TO for what it is; a major modern, feminazi infested, PC waste land of a shit hole.

[Indefatigable]

(07-16-2012 06:58 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 06:51 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 06:31 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 06:23 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

(07-16-2012 05:40 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

I have been saying this in EVERY Toronto thread on these forums... the people on here who bash Toronto have either shitty game or are just plain ugly (sorry).

I don't know what to tell you guys, but Toronto is a great city with amazing nightlife, loads of good looking exotic mixed girls, wonderful restaurants, extremely safe, beautiful in the summer, and offers you everything and then some. It's a mini NYC, but really it's not mini at all, it's actually a massive city.

The thing I like the most is how multi-cultural it is. Every girl you meet, you need to ask what her background is, by default, because there is so much damn variety here in terms of women. It's great. Lots of Italians, Portuguese, Asians, Indians and Russians/Ukrainians here though.

Again, don't listen to the guys on here claiming Toronto is bad for gaming girls. I never understood that misconception.

The bolded is utter nonsense. Like I have said in recent Toronto threads, I now think that Toronto is not as bad as I thought (though it is bad), but race is a bigger issue than I thought. I'm black, and get lots of attention because of my looks, but race still trips me up in one way or another. (I can prove this gaming if you want to meet up.) I'm not going to lie, sometimes it's my game that's at fault. But while my game is attmittedly not great, it's not atrocious either. By the way, are you white?

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Toronto is as easy as Miami or NYC. But it's not even CLOSE to as bad as people claim. And because their game doesn't work, they start blaming Toronto and ripping it apart by undervaluing the quality of women + nightlife here.

No I am not white, I'm mixed French/Arabic and am tanned. I know where you're heading at, white girls seem to only dig white guys here. But that's not the case at all. I used to think that as well, but now I realize it's quite the opposite. They love anything good looking, exotic and not indian here.

I could understand the racist argument though. Some people come off as racist here more than other cities, it's a feeling I still get sometimes.

I'm not just talking about white girls. Women in general aren't checking for brothers right now (doesn't seem like they're checking for Indians either, though I would argue that they don't have it as bad). Anyway, I don't think most would categorically rule out brothers. It's just that you can't be an ordinary brother. I have had so many women check me out (read: sending clear inviting looks) after rejecting me (sometimes only seconds after doing so) that I'm now convinced women just see a black guy approaching and decide to reject for that reason. (This is such a huge impact on my picking up that I even made a thread about second appraches the same night.) And even when they are receptive, race still often trips me up in other ways.

A brotha in Toronto needs to be properly dressed and fashionable to succeed. A lot of black guys here are too 'thuggish' and come off as a creepy gangster who's trying to get pussy. A few close friends of mine are black and are always dressed to impress (not a suit, but clean dressy shoes, dress shirt, good fit pants and a line up) and get pussy every time they go out.

Or maybe you're just going to the wrong venues? Some good venues here tend to have bitches who are only looking for the rich old white guy, some others tend to have bitches looking for any good looking man of any race, etc.

Again, tell me where these guys are picking up everytime they go out?

[kosko]

I just came back from a quick trip to Calgary for 4 days (mini-sheet in the works). Got a bang and BJ in the 4 days there from two broads. Females tried there hardest to throw shields up but after my time in Toronto it was like like stealing 1cent candies disarming them. Got with a cute white girl and a Asian broad. Now again is it me whom has no game or is it the City in which I game in?

I really did not think I re-invented the wheel with my game I was just my usual self and I even admit I was a bit rusty my first night out because I was so shook and rigid from Toronto that I was stiff and reluctant to approach at first but once I shook off that shit after a hour it was all fun and games after that.

[Perseus]

(07-22-2012 11:30 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I just came back from a quick trip to Calgary for 4 days (mini-sheet in the works). Got a bang and BJ in the 4 days there from two broads. Females tried there hardest to throw shields up but after my time in Toronto it was like like stealing 1cent candies disarming them. Got with a cute white girl and a Asian broad. Now again is it me whom has no game or is it the City in which I game in?

I really did not think I re-invented the wheel with my game I was just my usual self and I even admit I was a bit rusty my first night out because I was so shook and rigid from Toronto that I was stiff and reluctant to approach at first but once I shook off that shit after a hour it was all fun and games after that.

What would you get on average in 4 days in Toronto with the same effort you put in at calgary?

I think that reply of yours confirms how bad Toronto is, and at the same time is ironic as you started this thread in the hopes of making Toronto seem somewhat decent when it comes to game.

That "Toronto stiffness" and reluctance is something i am worried about though when i move to Europe, but i'm sure it will go away over time.

[kosko]

(07-23-2012 09:06 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(07-22-2012 11:30 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I just came back from a quick trip to Calgary for 4 days (mini-sheet in the works). Got a bang and BJ in the 4 days there from two broads. Females tried there hardest to throw shields up but after my time in Toronto it was like like stealing 1cent candies disarming them. Got with a cute white girl and a Asian broad. Now again is it me whom has no game or is it the City in which I game in?

I really did not think I re-invented the wheel with my game I was just my usual self and I even admit I was a bit rusty my first night out because I was so shook and rigid from Toronto that I was stiff and reluctant to approach at first but once I shook off that shit after a hour it was all fun and games after that.

What would you get on average in 4 days in Toronto with the same effort you put in at calgary?

I think that reply of yours confirms how bad Toronto is, and at the same time is ironic as you started this thread in the hopes of making Toronto seem somewhat decent when it comes to game.

That "Toronto stiffness" and reluctance is something i am worried about though when i move to Europe, but i'm sure it will go away over time.

Yea I sorta regret posting that in this Toronto thread and not in here: What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously.

As this thread really has opened the can of worms on Toronto even more. But I guess its unavoidable and the City should just be looked at as a test ground for game.

To answer you question what would 4 days in Toronto get me with that same effort? I would say next to nothing... maybe a girl whom last minute pulls some fockery on me and goes cold. That type of streak I have not been able to snag in Toronto but have done so in many other places. This does not even count the countless makeouts and useless numbers I got. I think I probably grabbed 12+ numbers and made out with 7 girls in the trip while I was there but those are throwaways and not really worth noting.

Which agian hammers in the point that we struggle with ROI in the Megacity. If you don't lower your standards your busting oil out of Walnuts with your fists.

But I will say this in defense of Toronto. I would not stay long term in Calgary. It is on my radar for work options and such but the City for a million people strong is slow as hell. I still find Edmonton way more fun as the girls there are way more slutty and diverse. I would still pick Toronto over Calgary because even if the women are better to deal with there, Toronto is way more exciting and you get more diverse talent.

And to add to the "Toronto stiffness" it was bizarre and not something I have felt since my early days of game. But I was literally stuck in my tracks... stiff like in concrete. When 95% of the time you deal with hostility and bullshit that environment shapes you. It gave me way more slick game but also put me in a major funk at first.

I ask if any other Toronto kats experience this when they travel, that first night out if it takes you a while to get your motor going getting that "Stiffness"?

[thegmanifesto]

A Toronto local posted a hot tip for you guys over on The Del Mar Racetrack Thread:

(07-20-2012 02:40 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

That looks dope, would love to attend it in the future. Actually car racing events are babe magnets. I was attending the Toronto Indy race 2 weeks ago and it was raining babes everywhere. I couldn't believe it.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14476-...#pid239681

Could be worth checking out.

[Perseus]

(07-23-2012 11:30 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 09:06 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(07-22-2012 11:30 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I just came back from a quick trip to Calgary for 4 days (mini-sheet in the works). Got a bang and BJ in the 4 days there from two broads. Females tried there hardest to throw shields up but after my time in Toronto it was like like stealing 1cent candies disarming them. Got with a cute white girl and a Asian broad. Now again is it me whom has no game or is it the City in which I game in?

I really did not think I re-invented the wheel with my game I was just my usual self and I even admit I was a bit rusty my first night out because I was so shook and rigid from Toronto that I was stiff and reluctant to approach at first but once I shook off that shit after a hour it was all fun and games after that.

What would you get on average in 4 days in Toronto with the same effort you put in at calgary?

I think that reply of yours confirms how bad Toronto is, and at the same time is ironic as you started this thread in the hopes of making Toronto seem somewhat decent when it comes to game.

That "Toronto stiffness" and reluctance is something i am worried about though when i move to Europe, but i'm sure it will go away over time.

Yea I sorta regret posting that in this Toronto thread and not in here: What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously.

As this thread really has opened the can of worms on Toronto even more. But I guess its unavoidable and the City should just be looked at as a test ground for game.

To answer you question what would 4 days in Toronto get me with that same effort? I would say next to nothing... maybe a girl whom last minute pulls some fockery on me and goes cold. That type of streak I have not been able to snag in Toronto but have done so in many other places. This does not even count the countless makeouts and useless numbers I got. I think I probably grabbed 12+ numbers and made out with 7 girls in the trip while I was there but those are throwaways and not really worth noting.

Which agian hammers in the point that we struggle with ROI in the Megacity. If you don't lower your standards your busting oil out of Walnuts with your fists.

But I will say this in defense of Toronto. I would not stay long term in Calgary. It is on my radar for work options and such but the City for a million people strong is slow as hell. I still find Edmonton way more fun as the girls there are way more slutty and diverse. I would still pick Toronto over Calgary because even if the women are better to deal with there, Toronto is way more exciting and you get more diverse talent.

And to add to the "Toronto stiffness" it was bizarre and not something I have felt since my early days of game. But I was literally stuck in my tracks... stiff like in concrete. When 95% of the time you deal with hostility and bullshit that environment shapes you. It gave me way more slick game but also put me in a major funk at first.

I ask if any other Toronto kats experience this when they travel, that first night out if it takes you a while to get your motor going getting that "Stiffness"?

Personally i could care less about diversity. I could be in a city with just asian broads, or black or whatever and i'll be happy as long as they are a little open.

I was day gaming the other day, on my way to meeting a friend actually, so it was by the way. Anyways, everything went well, the girl was responsive/attracted, then when it came to the point when i took out my phone and handed it to her, she took it, and she put in first three digits of code area then stopped.......number-close resistance??? wtf. She was like, i don't give guy i meet on the street my number. I really tried to plow through that resistance, but then in my head i was like she's only a 6, barely a 7!!!

I'll get back to you about "stiffness" when traveling in 2 weeks or so.

[kosko]

(07-24-2012 08:51 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

A Toronto local posted a hot tip for you guys over on The Del Mar Racetrack Thread:

(07-20-2012 02:40 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

That looks dope, would love to attend it in the future. Actually car racing events are babe magnets. I was attending the Toronto Indy race 2 weeks ago and it was raining babes everywhere. I couldn't believe it.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14476-...#pid239681

Could be worth checking out.

At one time Toronto was hyping up the Honda Indy the same way Montreal did their race. Back in those days the Big 3 all had there own races and partied pretty hard around them. My cousin always mentioned how Indy was the pre-game to Caribana and that the City was really hype when in came into town. The City was back to back festivals, so minus Pride (unless that was your sort of thing, I hear its crawling with strait females tho...) you basically had a solid 2 months of back to back events with about a week break or so between them.

They fucked it up when they pulled the race for a good 6 years. Attendance used to 80-100K and when they came back shit tanked to about 15K. Plus with all the Condos on the waterfront now people are bitching about the noise and shit.

Also killing the Ciggerattes sponsors did not help. It sucked a ton of money out of Indy racing and the events started to drop off.

Enjoy the Indy while you can I can't see it surviving in Toronto long term sadly.

Last few summers I was there the hype around the race was mute. I have never been to the race itself but it could easily be a island of broads checking out some action.

[Moma]

(07-23-2012 11:30 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I ask if any other Toronto kats experience this when they travel, that first night out if it takes you a while to get your motor going getting that "Stiffness"?

Let's see. I am no longer in Toronto so let's see how this unravels...

[Aliblahba]

(07-17-2012 11:09 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I have said it and written it before countless times and I will repeat it again, Toronto is a dead city and wayyyyyy overrated in every single aspect. The only way TO makes sense is if you're some FOB from some 3rd world country who just moved to Canada and or you're trying to raise a family. But for a single guy or a guy who wants to play the field and maximise his ROI, TO is as dead as it gets. Fattitude to the stratosphere, white knights and feminazi a gogo, over-priced prices for everything, crappy weather 7 months of the year, high taxes...so what is there left here to really warrant staying here? You guess it right: ABSOLUTELY Nothing. I've lived in this shithole for almost 17 years and I do have a much better idea of the place and feel of it than some 1 weekender 10 years ago ago LOL. TO ain't shit. Specially after you've been to South America, Europe or Asia. And I'm not talking just on a packaged 2 weeker to an all inclusive but rather spending months at a time in the above places. Any sane man who has been abroad and got a taste of the good life outside of B-Murka will know and realize that each day spent here is a day of life wasted. Yes I am planning my definitive escape from here which should be fairly soon. I see that others have done it (Kurupt) and others are about to do it (Moma and Perseus). You guys are in the right and have seen the light and I salute you brothers. We will gladly leave all the delicacies and marvels that TO has to offer to those who are blind enough to see TO for what it is; a major modern, feminazi infested, PC waste land of a shit hole.

I've banged nothing less than 8 there. My friends kill it up there. The guy that shines my shoes kills it up there. If you whiners would look a my data sheet you'd know how to do it up there.

[kosko]

(07-24-2012 03:34 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(07-17-2012 11:09 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I have said it and written it before countless times and I will repeat it again, Toronto is a dead city and wayyyyyy overrated in every single aspect. The only way TO makes sense is if you're some FOB from some 3rd world country who just moved to Canada and or you're trying to raise a family. But for a single guy or a guy who wants to play the field and maximise his ROI, TO is as dead as it gets. Fattitude to the stratosphere, white knights and feminazi a gogo, over-priced prices for everything, crappy weather 7 months of the year, high taxes...so what is there left here to really warrant staying here? You guess it right: ABSOLUTELY Nothing. I've lived in this shithole for almost 17 years and I do have a much better idea of the place and feel of it than some 1 weekender 10 years ago ago LOL. TO ain't shit. Specially after you've been to South America, Europe or Asia. And I'm not talking just on a packaged 2 weeker to an all inclusive but rather spending months at a time in the above places. Any sane man who has been abroad and got a taste of the good life outside of B-Murka will know and realize that each day spent here is a day of life wasted. Yes I am planning my definitive escape from here which should be fairly soon. I see that others have done it (Kurupt) and others are about to do it (Moma and Perseus). You guys are in the right and have seen the light and I salute you brothers. We will gladly leave all the delicacies and marvels that TO has to offer to those who are blind enough to see TO for what it is; a major modern, feminazi infested, PC waste land of a shit hole.

I've banged nothing less than 8 there. My friends kill it up there. The guy that shines my shoes kills it up there. If you whiners would look a my data sheet you'd know how to do it up there.

[Perseus]

(07-24-2012 03:34 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I've banged nothing less than 8 there. My friends kill it up there. The guy that shines my shoes kills it up there. If you whiners would look a my data sheet you'd know how to do it up there.

[Nikolai_B]

I grew up in Toronto. It is filled with women who are both sexy and easy. If you can't get women in Toronto then you need to reevaluate your game because it simply isn't difficult. I can't believe how badly people talk about Toronto on this forum it is a great city for pick up. The women are receptive in every situation - day game and night game.

Toronto is filled with talent from all corners of the globe. It is one of the most international cities in the world. We have tons of sexy talent no matter what you like we have it. What is more, most of our women are Canadianized making them far more accessible than natives from their respective countries - they all speak English with a Canadian accent and not that of their ancestors. Again if you have trouble in Toronto then you haven't yet learned how to adjust your game to the environment you are in. There may be some suttle differences between here and the US but for the most part it is straight forward.

[Moma]

(08-01-2012 10:11 PM)Nikolai_B Wrote:  

I grew up in Toronto. It is filled with women who are both sexy and easy. If you can't get women in Toronto then you need to reevaluate your game because it simply isn't difficult. I can't believe how badly people talk about Toronto on this forum it is a great city for pick up. The women are receptive in every situation - day game and night game.

Toronto is filled with talent from all corners of the globe. It is one of the most international cities in the world. We have tons of sexy talent no matter what you like we have it. What is more, most of our women are Canadianized making them far more accessible than natives from their respective countries - they all speak English with a Canadian accent and not that of their ancestors. Again if you have trouble in Toronto then you haven't yet learned how to adjust your game to the environment you are in. There may be some suttle differences between here and the US but for the most part it is straight forward.

Bust out a datasheet!

[Sketness]

Just came back from a day trip to Toronto. I was with family so we just did the usual torest type things, like the cn tower and a museum and walked around university of toronto. All during these activities I noticed that the girls in Toronto are really UGLY. I was amazed, for the first three hours I didn't see a single attractive girl. Most of them were either really homely looking, looked like men ( had strong masculine features, short buzzed hair) Most of the girls were wearing black stockings (which is cute on the right girl) but these girls who wearing them were either extremely skinny or obease. I was disappointing by Toronto, I had read hear how bad Toronto was but I refused to believe it. So I dont know were all of the pretty girls are but they are not on the streets of Toronto.

[kosko]

(01-10-2013 12:19 AM)Sketness Wrote:  

Just came back from a day trip to Toronto. I was with family so we just did the usual torest type things, like the cn tower and a museum and walked around university of toronto. All during these activities I noticed that the girls in Toronto are really UGLY. I was amazed, for the first three hours I didn't see a single attractive girl. Most of them were either really homely looking, looked like men ( had strong masculine features, short buzzed hair) Most of the girls were wearing black stockings (which is cute on the right girl) but these girls who wearing them were either extremely skinny or obease. I was disappointing by Toronto, I had read hear how bad Toronto was but I refused to believe it. So I dont know were all of the pretty girls are but they are not on the streets of Toronto.

They hide in the Winter time or have not moved back for school yet, many people are moving back today (Thursday). There are a ton of beautiful women here but I can probably say there are equal amounts of Manish-Hewomen and Fatties. Unlike other Cities where the large top-end of hot Female's create a competition factor that forces other girls to step their shit up (LA, NYC, Miami) in Toronto since Girls run the show here and every girl has 5 guys on speed dial many don't give a shit nor try. There are steep drop offs and sizeable amounts of desheveled women that equal the total of hotties and dimes.

[Sketness]

(01-10-2013 01:17 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 12:19 AM)Sketness Wrote:  

Just came back from a day trip to Toronto. I was with family so we just did the usual torest type things, like the cn tower and a museum and walked around university of toronto. All during these activities I noticed that the girls in Toronto are really UGLY. I was amazed, for the first three hours I didn't see a single attractive girl. Most of them were either really homely looking, looked like men ( had strong masculine features, short buzzed hair) Most of the girls were wearing black stockings (which is cute on the right girl) but these girls who wearing them were either extremely skinny or obease. I was disappointing by Toronto, I had read hear how bad Toronto was but I refused to believe it. So I dont know were all of the pretty girls are but they are not on the streets of Toronto.

They hide in the Winter time or have not moved back for school yet, many people are moving back today (Thursday). There are a ton of beautiful women here but I can probably say there are equal amounts of Manish-Hewomen and Fatties. Unlike other Cities where the large top-end of hot Female's create a competition factor that forces other girls to step their shit up (LA, NYC, Miami) in Toronto since Girls run the show here and every girl has 5 guys on speed dial many don't give a shit nor try. There are steep drop offs and sizeable amounts of desheveled women that equal the total of hotties and dimes.

yea I was thinking about coming back to Toronto in the Summer because I think that the talent will be a little better but after seeing what I saw today I think I might just make the trip to Montreal were I hear the females are half decent and just say fuck it to Toronto

[MikeT]

I just moved back to Toronto from a tour of US.. was in Charlotte, Nashville, Charleston and Miami. I'm still getting a feel for how it is here in the city. I wanna go to a few more places before I make an opinion. Anyone interested in doing some wingman game at some bars/clubs downtown reach out.