[thegmanifesto]

(07-15-2012 12:25 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Are you surprised she is an accountant?

Huge red flag.

If I know a girl is an accountant, I am ghost.

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I get the “Are you gay?” question 3-4 times a month minimum. I don’t think it’s caused by the way I speak or act because it’s almost always at the start of the interaction, when the girl doesn’t know how I speak or act. I’ve never heard any rumor that any guys think I’m gay. And I can count on one hand the number of times in my whole life I’ve been approached by gay guys, so obviously I don’t set off the gaydar.

I think it’s some kind of shit test and I think it’s being set off by my clothing style. If I lived in LA, New York, Vegas, Miami , the clothes I wear when I go out would be not get a second glance and would be considered a bit conservative even. But here in this redneck beach town the typical guy going out at night wears a stained tourist t shirt or if they really want to dress up- an Affliction shirt. I’m not exaggerating. I’ve been asked if I’m European several times and once if I was from LA.

That is crazy.

I don't think I have ever gotten that one in my life.

And I dress sharp as a box cutter.

Where are you?

How are you dressing?

It may be just a Geographic/the way you are dressing combo.

[Nonpareil]

(07-15-2012 12:25 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Approach #17 Really pretty blonde 7.5 with a tight body
Me: Hey are you from Alabama?
Her: Haha, no, blah blah
Seems interested but convo dies out after a minute. Still having trouble with this opener follow up, haven’t yet developed a routine like I was planning to.

You: So tell me, where are you from? (include 'tell me' and the comma space, adds some sauce)
Her: Oh blah blah blah!
You: You know what they say about girls from blah blah blah....
Her: No, what?
You: (...) Oh, that was a question I was asking if you knew what they say about girls from blah blah blah... (small smile)
Her: Oh well they say that... (ramble for a minute, minimum, chip in your thoughts)

Like so much banter, discovered wholly by accident. Free of charge.

Quote:

I get the “Are you gay?” question 3-4 times a month

That is crazy.

I don't think I have ever gotten that one in my life.

And I dress sharp as a box cutter.

Where are you?

How are you dressing?

It may be just a Geographic-the way you are dressing combo.

It could be that, but if he's in the west or a westernized place (or the girls are western, I heard him mention tourists), chances are it's this 'girl game' that we've all been hearing so much about...you know, where they try to run game like guys run game, because they like game, and women are generally narcissistic so they project everything? That's my call.

[MrXY]

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Posted by thegmanifesto - Today 03:12 PM

(Today 02:25 PM)MrXY Wrote: Are you surprised she is an accountant?


Huge red flag.

If I know a girl is an accountant, I am ghost.

Me too from now on-no bookkeepers, auditors, accountants. Every one i've gone out with has been dry, boring, narrow minded, and rigid. They belong in a cubicle.

Quote:

Where are you?

How are you dressing?

It may be just a Geographic/the way you are dressing combo.

That's it exactly. I am in a beach resort town in northern Florida, part of the so called "Redneck Riviera." Twice in the last month I have been talking to girls who lived in nearby wealthier, more sophisticated towns and they both said they didn't see how I fit in where i live and that I needed to move to their towns. They are right,I need to move.....

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Posted by Nonpareil - Today 03:23 PM




You: So tell me, where are you from? (include 'tell me' and the comma space, adds some sauce)
Her: Oh blah blah blah!
You: You know what they say about girls from blah blah blah....
Her: No, what?
You: (...) Oh, that was a question I was asking if you knew what they say about girls from blah blah blah... (small smile)
Her: Oh well they say that... (ramble for a minute, minimum, chip in your thoughts)

Like so much banter, discovered wholly by accident. Free of charge.

Thanks, will use

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Posted by Brian - Today 02:49 PM
"are you gay"

"why dont we go back to my apartment for a little while and then you can answer your own question"

Thanks, will use

[MrXY]

(07-14-2012 04:28 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  

PS. With the amount of chicks throwing themselves at you, you could be averaging a SNL for everytime you go out. Haha good for you.

I wish I had the skill level to do that, but the pull for the SNL is a real weak point of my game. That's why I made an SNL a goal for this study, so I could work on that phase.

[slubu]

"Are you gay"

"Incredibly. (Pause 2 seconds). Hey, do you mind introducing me to your friend over there? She is kinda cute."

Just be prepared to respond to her inevitable follow up, which will be "I thought you were gay."

[MrXY]

Bang #3 SNL#1

A chick sent me an initial message on an online dating site. Any time a chick messages you first, you’ve obviously cleared the first major hurdle of online dating, getting her attention and building some attraction. Unfortunately the great majority of these initial messages are uglies or whales. But this case was an exception; although she had only three rather blurry photos taken from a distance they seemed to show a woman with a decent face and a slender body. I concluded she might pass the boner test and responded. After a few message exchanges I moved her over to texting. She was sending me 2-3 texts for my one and often texting first , so I could see she was strongly interested. I set up a meeting for an evening early in the week, a couple of days after the bad date I described above.

She lived in a small town in the country about an hour from me. We had set up the meeting for a restaurant she suggested, since I had only been to this place a couple of times. When I walked in she was already seated in a booth. Her face better than I had expected; a 6.3 rather than a 5.5 and she looked years younger than her age(40ish). She was shy and I did most of the talking, but she friendly enough. The place was boring and I didn’t like the seating arrangement since we were facing one another across the table with no opportunity for kino.

A venue bounce was in order. I asked her if there was anywhere else wee could go that might be more fun and she said a restaurant nearby was having a $2 drink special that night. Perfect. She readily agreed to move. When she stood up to leave I was shocked; she had a model’s body: tall, really slender, with curvy hips and smallish breasts. Skinny jeans showed off a beautiful ass. But the most remarkable feature was her legs- they were amazingly long and accentuated by platform high heels. Many 20 year olds would kill to have that body. She was what I call a “jackpot” an online girl who actually looks better than her photos. As we left I took the opportunity to start kino-I had not been able to touch her before.

We were at the new venue in moments and started drinking. She was still giving me some closed body language but I interpreted this as her shyness and not lack of interest. I figured that once she had couple of drinks her she would begin to relax and open up. And I was right. We had several drinks over the next 2.5 hours and she got increasingly friendly and talkative. I was touching her arm and shoulder frequently and she began to kino me back. She had a working class job and lived what to me was a boring life in this small town, but she seemed to be content with it Although we didn’ t really have much in common, we got along fine and she was a pleasant and genial companion.

I realized early on here that the key move was going to be the pull back to her place. The pull is maybe the weakest part of my game and I saw this as an opportunity to see if I could make it happen this time. It was getting later and I told her I needed to leave as I had to get up early-which was true. We walked out to her car and began making out next to it. After a few minutes I noticed people staring at us and said we should go back to her place, saying that I could only stay for 30 minutes. She agreed without hesitation and we were at her house in 5 minutes.

We kissed a little when we entered the house and then she pulled something I have often observed chicks do; when I sat of the sofa, she sat in a chair. I think some coyer girls see sitting with you on the sofa as a sort of green light so they use physical space as an LMR tactic. We talked for a while and she got up twice to go to the kitchen/bathroom; each time when she returned I thought she was going to sit on the sofa , but no.

I was running out of time and saw I was going to have to be more proactive. The third time she got up and returned, when she began to sit down in the chair I grabbed her forearm and dragged her over to the sofa. She sprawled on the cushions next to me with a grateful sigh and we were all over each other. After a while she asked if I wanted to move to the bedroom. No more LMR; she stripped off her clothes and jumped into bed. The sex was great. She was a biter and clawer, and knew how to make vigorous use of her long legs to great effect; it was like fucking a goddamn spider. Total time from handshake to insertion: 3.5 hours. A sweet, shy, sexy girl I plan to see again.

Comment: My initial goal for the project was 2 bangs including one SNL. I have achieved that goal in about two weeks and 18 approaches, so I am pleased with how it's going. I am resetting the study goals to 7 bangs total with 3 being SNLs.

Current totals

Approaches: 18

Girls approaching me: 5

Kiss closes: 4

Number Closes: 3

Cockblocks: 1

Blowjobs: 2

Bangs: 3

SNLs: 1

[Brian]

Congrats dude, glad to see you are going on a hot streak. Its amazing what happens when you actually put effort into things, things start rolling, then you gain some confidence and it really takes off...

[speakeasy]

Excellent thread by the way. I'm gonna give you a rep point if I haven't already.

(07-18-2012 09:26 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

The third time she got up and returned, when she began to sit down in the chair I grabbed her forearm and dragged her over to the sofa. She sprawled on the cushions next to me with a grateful sigh and we were all over each other.

And to think, if it hadn't been for that one little minor move, the whole night would've been a waste and you'd have went home and jerked off. Great save. It seems your approach to bang ratio is pretty high, even for a dude with experience.

[Veloce]

3 bangs is incredibly good for 18 approaches. Well done player.

[RandalGraves]

(07-18-2012 09:26 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

I was running out of time and saw I was going to have to be more proactive. The third time she got up and returned, when she began to sit down in the chair I grabbed her forearm and dragged her over to the sofa.

Hmm... good move. I've been in that situation once before, I'll do that if it ever happens again.

[MrXY]

Approach #19 Had a date with an online girl a couple of nights ago. Her photos made her look borderline bangable and she was down to meet after only a few messages, so I thought why not. We met at a waterfront restaurant in a nearby resort town. But instead of the 5.8 I was hoping I would get, she was a 4.7, which in normal circumstances doesn’t pass my Boner Test. Maybe if I hadn’t gotten laid in weeks I could have gone for her, but since I’ve been banging a variety of girls better than her lately, I didn’t feel any motivation. This also reaffirms the rule of thumb that an online girl in real life will be at least 1 point less attractive than she appears in her profile photos. Of course, there are happy exceptions when she is better than her photos as Long Legged Girl was a few days ago, but that’s maybe 10% of the time.

I was a little late and she was at the bar. Her personality, if a bit masculinized, really wasn’t bad, but we just didn’t mesh well together and didn’t have anything in common. I threw out a few teases (not negs) which she reacted well to, but I just couldn’t be bothered to try and game her. I didn’t do any kino at all, which I always do from the first minute with a girl I am interested in. She started kinoing me- grabbing my arm, and putting her hand on my leg. I managed to keep up a conversation but I suppose wasn’t showing any enthusiasm because finally she asked me, ”Are you bored?” I was but I said no.

She then suggested a venue change. I realized, this girl is trying to game me. As I said, she was somewhat masculizined;, although she wasn’t “butch” and had a feminine voice, a manjaw was in evidence and she was in a masculine profession. Unfortunately for her, male style Game works to arouse girls, not guys. We walked to the other venue, with her taking the lead. I followed behind snickering to myself at the irony. This was an outdoor patio bar. As we sat having a drink and trying to keep up conversation, I turned to my right and saw two very attractive blondes standing at the bar. Just out of instinct I immediately opened them and they responded enthusiastically, and started flirting with me. EE girls!. I’m sure a top level player would have ditched the date and gone with the blondes, but I’m still working on that level of skill and assholishness, so after a while I went back to the date. And that’s exactly what I should have done, because a few minutes later she told me she was going home-she was ditching me. She knew I wasn't into her. Trying to be a nice guy just doesn’t pay, does it?

Total time of date was 1.5 hours and I spent about $15 on gas and drinks so it was a small price to pay for the lesson I still haven’t learned well enough- to end online dates very quickly if I don’t want to bang her or I think she won’t let me bang her within a reasonable amount of time.

Last night went out to one of my regular nightclubs. Was feeling tired and in a foul mood. Stood around for a long time but just could not get motivated, then saw a early 30’s blonde with a low cut dress showing most of her luscious boobs.

Approach#20

Me: I’m going to stand over here to get out of the crowd.
Her: Ok blah
Me: Where are you from
Her: blah blah

Not a good opening, no strong interest and didn’t feel like pushing it so I ejected. Too bad- I would have liked to play with those titties. Then saw a female friend of mine and we talked for an hour.

As we talked, I observed something I seldom see in this club- a fellow player with good game. Most guys here come in groups and are afraid to approach girls and when they do its either beta game or crude douchebag style. But this guy stood out. He was 6’2”, really fit but not jacked, had good clothes and haircut, about 35-40 and sort of a vaguely Brad Pit look about his face. His style was high energy and aggressive, I saw 6-7 approaches within 45 min, all on 7+ girls in their mid to late twenties Sometimes he would come up and start dancing on a girl. All the girls he would kino on upper arms or waist right away. He got a smoking hot 9 onto the dance floor at one point. He opened a cute girl right in front of me, so close I could hear him as he talked into her ear. It was just blather, stuff like “We’re going to go dance right in front of everybody!” You don’t need wit in nightclub game, you just need to keep talking and be aggressive. The dumbest nonsense will work as long as you say it confidently- you are working on the lower brain of a half drunk girl. The girls seemed to be attracted to him , but somewhat intimidated, which is not necessarily a bad thing at all. I left early, so I don’t know if he pulled, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. Respect.

[MrXY]

This update covers the last two weekends. Saturday night a week ago I hit up my usual club. The venue shaped up well this night with lots of good looking girls, but I wasn’t feeling too energetic; I’m involved in a number of projects right now and it’s taking a lot of my time and energy.

Approach #21 I walked up to the bar to get a drink and saw the same girl with great tits I had approached on approach #20, sitting at the bar. My rule is to not reapproach a girl who has already rejected me since you will virtually always be rejected again, and I refuse to chase a woman just on principle. But in this case I saw out of the corner of my eye that she was giving me classic IOIs- she looked at me as she rocked on the bar stool, adjusted her dress, and flipped her hair. I rationalized that this was a different night, so a reapproach was allowable.

Me: So you didn’t get enough of this last night ,huh?
Her: Yeah, haha

I continued trying to talk to her for a couple of minutes and while she seemed interested she just had nothing to say in response to me. Some nights I can carry a conversation by myself for quite a while but that night I just wasn’t sharp enough. I think this was an instance where a girl was open to an approach by me but she just had no ability to have a conversation with a stranger. I turned and walked away.

Approach #22 Went to the bar to get another drink and as I waited for service I noticed I was standing next to a red haired freckled woman about 40. She was only maybe a 5.7, but I love me a redhead and even more importantly I could tell by her body language and facial expressions that she was the horny cougar type. I don’t remember how I opened her, but she responded enthusiastically as I expected she would. We talked for a few minutes and then I drifted away to see if there were any better looking targets. It was disappointing to find that while there were lots of hot girls, they were all in large groups or with obvious boyfriends. So I wandered back to the cougar and she pulled me over and started hanging on me. After rubbing my arms and shoulders for a bit, she went for a classic cougar move-she shoved her hand inside my shirt and ruffled my chest hair. Mmmmmmm, she moaned. At this point I was thinking she was my best option for the night but I decided to give the club another look. A walk around turned up nothing, so I went back to the cougar and began questioning her about the details of her visit with an eye toward figuring out logistical issues. She told me that she was at the club with her sister and that she was staying at a family owned condo with her kids. Whoops – I know from experience that in this situation a pull is not going to happen. Time to bail out.

Approach #23 Saw a thick but shapely girl with a cute face standing at the bar.

Me: Can I get in here and get a drink?
Her: Sure

Started chatting with her and it was going well. After several minutes she said, Aren’t you on Plenty of Fish? Didn’t we exchange messages? Yes I am and I’m not quite sure, I responded. It went downhill from there and after a few minutes I decided to go home.

After a frustrating several days of failure over the weekend, early in the week a bright spot appeared. I got a text from the hot hostess of the party I described in Post #22 inviting me to her party that weekend. We had exchanged a couple of friendly texts since the party but I had not pushed it any further; I had decided that I much preferred the blonde at the party- although they were equal in looks-both truly hot 8.5s- the blonde had a personality that I found charming and we had hit it off much better. I thought I had felt sparks between us at the party. I had texted the blonde in the ensuing week and she had responded briefly once but had not answered my second text. I wondered if she had just lost interest or was playing girl games. I hoped that she was going to be at the party and if she wasn’t I knew the hostess and probably other attractive girls would be there so it was worth attending.

The evening of the party I went to some effort to make sure I looked good and then went to a bar near the party to pre-drink. My strategy was to arrive later to allow myself and the female guests time to have a few drinks first. Me, because I wanted to make sure I was loose and social and the girls, so that they would have their alcohol goggles at least partially on by the time I arrived.

I walked in alone about an hour and a half after official starting time, cheek kissed the hostess and shook hands with a few guys I had met at the last party. Then I noticed the blonde- she was looking at me and smiling expectantly. Yes. I went over, cheek kissed her, chatted for a moment and then continued to circulate. Over the next hour and a half, I had a good time, talking to people and returning now and again to the blonde but not giving her any special attention.

Then I did something that in retrospect I realize probably was a key move, although there was no planning to it. I had met a pretty, hot bodied girl and spent quite a while talking to her , but not with the intention of picking her up- she was with a date and I still wanted the other girl. We started dancing and she taught me the basics of a dance style. I’m sure the blonde must have observed all this and the result was that I inadvertently created a jealousy scenario. Eventually I went back to the bar area to make myself a drink; suddenly the blonde was standing beside me.

Her: Do you want to go boating with me tomorrow?
Me (coolly and quietly): Yeah, ok

Here I will make a point that can give hope to all players in training –I know for a fact that when I was in my twenties and early thirties I would have responded to this invitation from a girl I desired with a silly, high pitched laugh and something like Sure I’d love to, thanks so much, I’m really excited about it, etc which would have betrayed me as the overly eager- rarely- gets- a- hot- girl beta that I was and of course killed her attraction to me

But I haven’t been that man for a long time. I learned to act in a different way and at first that’s exactly what it was-acting. But, over time, I changed. The way I acted and the attitudes I adopted became me so that now I seldom have to even think about how to respond when I am confronted with a challenge from a girl- I instinctively come out with the correct tone and response most of the time. Sure I have my bad days but not that often; more often I am amazed at the tight game that comes out of me without any conscious thought beforehand. First you work on some basic outer techniques and begin to improve your Inner Game, eventually your Inner Game begins to flow outward like some magical force. And I am totally convinced that girls can sense this- their mate selection has evolved over millions of years to find the males who exude this aura.

Bang #4 The next day I met the blonde and her friends at a marina and we headed out on a boat to a cove known as a party spot for boaters. Sure enough, when we arrived there were already dozens of boats with a party atmosphere going on. It quickly became clear to me as we rode around the cove greeting people that this girl was accustomed to first class treatment from the local rich guys. I’m talking about guys with million dollar waterfront condos/houses, big boats, multiple businesses. Real ballers. Her friends told me quite of few of them had pursued her, offering her the sorts of things their lifestyle could provide, though mostly unsuccessfully. I knew I couldn’t hope to compete with that, but I also knew that my best strategy was not to try to compete. Rather I decided to do the opposite.

I teased her, I negged her lightly. I ordered her to fetch me beers from the cooler. I talked to other guys and to hot girls I was introduced to .I did first mate duties on the boat. I never complimented her or stared at her in her bikini. While I did talk to her from time to time, mostly I ignored her. While the big boat guys were kissing her ass, I treated her like she was nothing special. I wasn’t solicitous of her welfare (though I did watch out for her safety), I didn’t hang around her or follow her around. I really believe that if I had spent the day just talking to her, making sure she had a drink, putting suntan lotion on her, asking her if she needed anything and so on, what happened later wouldn’t have happened. In fact she referred to a couple of the rich guys as “creepy” because of the way they had pursued her by offering her things,

By the way, if you guys have any doubts about the way girls actually view their beta orbiters, this girl is a good example . She has two main orbiters both of years long standing. When she and her close girlfriend had a few drinks in them they started mocking these guys ruthlessly (they weren’t on the boat). Just laughing at them for how they worshiped her and would put up with anything she threw at them. And this girl by my reading isn’t even a real bitch; she’s actually fairly sweet. But that goes to show how ingrained a hatred of betas is in the female mind.

After a few hours we returned to the marina and as we unloaded the boat she asked me if I wanted to come back to her place and take a shower. Yes, I did. After a quick drink at her house we got in the shower together. She invited me into her bed and I spent the night. The next day she told me that on the boat she had a discussion with her girlfriend about whether she should bang me or not. Her girlfriend, who liked me and had told me I was hot, had given me her approval and told her to go for it.

A summer boating trip and having sex with a beautiful girl fifteen years younger than me- I've had worse weekends.

Current totals

Approaches: 23

Girls approaching me: 5

Kiss closes: 4

Number Closes: 3

Cockblocks: 1

Blowjobs: 2

Bangs: 4

SNLs: 1

[jdelisi]

I knew you were in florida by the women asking you what you do right away in the convo. I get this usually within thirty seconds, and i have been spending time in the fort lauderdale, boca area. I love your "what do i do about what" response.

I cant imagine that if you say you are as good looking as you say u are that you have only been hit on by a few gay guys. I am not gay but dress nice and am in good shape and gay guys hit on me all the time. Maybe becuase i am in nyc/nj and it seems there are tons more gays than in florida.

I praise your motivation and attention to detail in this project. Keep up the good work and keep the post coming!

[daygamedatingcoach]

i'll try it

[RazorRamon]

This guy's got 99 problems but a lizard ain't one!!!

[haywire]

Great stuff overall, though you could have used the "Aren’t you on Plenty of Fish? Didn’t we exchange messages?" to your extreme advantage, rather than letting it become a breaking point. You could stay stuff like, "No, not anymore. That site is full of crazies.." and then continue with fake stories of how crazy women would throw themselves at you. This creates a lot of intrigue and is obviously a big DHV. I use such tricks all the time, even while describing my previous online dates to current online dates.

[Dan]

I've read through this thread in its entirety and was really impressed.

The only thing I'm unsure about is your ratings of the girls. I remember at one point you referred to a 6 as above average. This confused me because my scale's lowest number is 6... anyone lower doesn't even deserve a rating. But I'm willing to accept that everyone does it slightly differently and I think I've caught on.

It's going to be hard to reach that 100 approaches at this point, but you still have banged a decent number of chicks.

I'd like to know more about your style to improve my own.

[Hotwheels]

Oh geezus... Let's not get into another rating "discussion"....

[MrXY]

(08-02-2012 01:07 AM)Dan Wrote:  

I've read through this thread in its entirety and was really impressed.

The only thing I'm unsure about is your ratings of the girls. I remember at one point you referred to a 6 as above average. This confused me because my scale's lowest number is 6... anyone lower doesn't even deserve a rating. But I'm willing to accept that everyone does it slightly differently and I think I've caught on.

It's going to be hard to reach that 100 approaches at this point, but you still have banged a decent number of chicks.

I'd like to know more about your style to improve my own.

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Posted by Hotwheels - 08-02-2012 07:56 AM
Oh geezus... Let's not get into another rating "discussion"....

I would usually agree that rating discussions are pointless and annoying, but in this case i think it's fair to ask about my rating system, since a girls ranking has a lot to do with how I game her and my likelihood of success.

I view female attractiveness as basically a bell curve, although bulging on the left side in the US due to the obesity epidemic. This means that most women will be 4s, 5s and 6s who fall in the middle of the curve. Here's how I would verbally describe the rankings

1- repulsively ugly-you are grossed out by even looking at her. Relatively rare

2-Really ugly

3-Standard ugly

4-Plain. Not ugly,but below average. I have banged a few 4s in my life, mostly when i was drunk and horny, but never gone below a 4. I doubt a 4 would pass my Boner Test today

5-This seems to be the most controversial ranking, with guys having widely different conceptions of what a 5 is. I think of a 5 as average- she's wouldn't be described as pretty but she is certainly not ugly either. My reactions to 5s vary a lot depending on their particular look and personality. Some 5s I will definitely bang, others not. Guys who describe 5s as ugly obviously have a different rating system than I do.

6-Cute-the classic cute girl. I would give her a second look but not think she was a knockout or be intimidated by her.

7-Pretty- 7s are noticeably good looking and get a lot of attention from guys. There is no question as to their attractiveness which is why i am mystified when some guys describe 7s as OK looking, which again makes me think we are using a different ratings conception.

8- Beautiful- A girl who turns heads and most guys and girls would describe as "hot". Unusually good looking. Maybe 4% or less of female population under 35 (at most) would be 8 or above.

9-Very beautiful- An almost flawless beauty that you have a hard time pulling your eyes away from. Maybe 1%.

10- Rare beauty-Has the looks of the 9 with something more- some special charisma or eroticism to her look. Maybe 1 in 500 at most.

I have read quite few girl rating threads on the web over the years, and talked to many guys in person about girl rankings, and I have concluded that my ranking system is a bit stricter than most guys, by perhaps .75 to 1 point. Meaning that what a lot of guys would describe as a 6 I would describe as a 5.3, what others might call an 8.5 I would call a 7.5 ,etc. At the same time I don't have the ridiculous e-standards claimed by guys who haven't been laid in years and judge women by models and porn stars they see on the web.
I think that my ranking system is a reasonable one. Although tastes vary of course, I feel that the great majority of members here would bang almost any girl I rank as 6 or above, and a lot would bang a girls I rank in the 5 range.

[MrXY]

Bang #5 SNL #2

Last week I exchanged messages and number closed an OKC girl. We texted few times and I suggested a drink date for the next weekend. I don’t normally do online meets on the weekend but there was no way I could see her on a week night this the coming week and you have to move on these online girls while they are hot. If you put them off, most will disappear on you. I was a bit iffy about this girl; her photos were poor and she seemed to be one of those who could go either way in person- either a lot better or a lot worse looking. Given her job, I was also worried she might have a boring corporate attitude. My plan was to meet her and do a quick ditch if called for, and then go out in her city which has a lot of bars and attractive women.

I was encouraged that she agreed to meet later in the evening-after the usual dinner period. I like to meet later because it avoids the issue of food and who pays for it and meeting later means that we are that much closer to beddy-bye time. Also I find that girls who will agree to meet you later are generally more into drinking, partying and more DTF

As usual was about 15-20 minutes late and she texted me wondering where I was. First point to me. I walked in and found her at the bar and was pleasantly surprised. She not only looked better than her photos- she looked different. A mid 30’s 6.3. And more slender. And thank you, Zeus- red hair and pale skin. I don’t know why, but this look drives me to the heights of lust and blue steel erection hardness.

We got a drink and retired to a comfy couch. I took up my usual alpha couch posture- seated on the far end, leaning away from her arm draped along the back of the couch, legs crossed. I fended off her interview questions with denials evasions and smartass answers until she finally gave up with an expression of defeat. I had succeeded in imposing my frame on her- that were there to enjoy each other’s company to get and know each other as people, not as social roles. She lightened up immediately and I found she was actually a charming conversationalist. Building comfort and rapport with her was easy and natural all the way through.

After a couple of drinks I suggested a venue change, to which she readily agreed, and we walked to a nearby bar. A couple more drinks ensued. And yes, I paid for the drinks- later on in the evening she bought a couple of rounds which to me is a sign of a cool girl I will like.We were really hitting it off by this point and were quite comfortable with each other-more like a third date than a first. But I had done only very light kino at the first venue and increased it moderately at the second. I believe that kino on a one on one date should be ramped up more gradually than in a nightclub pickup, In a nightclub, time is more limited and competition is great, cockblocking is always a danger so you have to go for it and try to peak her arousal and pull her rather quickly. On a date you have her attention and much more control over the situation and you can be more leisurely with the kino while you arouse her more verbally by implication and voice tone .

She was giving me plenty of positive body language. Then she showed what I always consider a major sign that she was feeling strong attraction to me; she had ordered an unusual drink and offered me a sip of it without my asking. After a while, she suggested a venue change to another nearby bar.This bar had music and we danced a bit. At this point the vibe from her was right and I knew we were probably about 2/3 of the way through the date, which is about the point at which I go in for the kiss. So I did. I moved in and she gave me the upturned kiss invitation. But only a couple of light ones-I’ve really come to believe in the first date bang recipe principle that makeouts on the first date are a bad idea if you think you have a chance for the first date bang. I always want to tease her and leave her wanting more, which she knows she will only get when we are in private. We drank for a while, danced and I took a few more kisses. I started realizing that I had drank too much-unusual for me, but I had been having a good time with her- and that the rather long drive home was going to be risky.

I was thinking about how to handle this, when she told me that I really shouldn’t be driving home and I could stay with her. Well that’s very nice of you, thank you. I think when a girl invites you home you should avoid any overt sexual references or even any strong sexual hints lest you given off an overly eager or creepy vibe that may activate her anti slut defense, causing you to end up sleeping on her couch or her changing her mind altogether. You both know what you’re thinking-there is no need to make it explicit and embarrass her. I just respond politely as if she’s a friend who has done me a minor favor.
Once at her house she went straight into her bedroom and I just followed her in; there was no discussion or resistance at all. That’s one thing I like so much about more mature women- once you have gamed them properly and they decide they want you, they go for it with little pretense. And the sex was fantastic.

Current totals

Approaches: 24

Girls approaching me: 5

Kiss closes: 4

Number Closes: 8

Cockblocks: 1

Blowjobs: 2

Bangs: 5

SNLs: 2

Approach to Bang Conversion Ratio: 20.8%

Note-I realized that I wasn't including my online number closes in the count so I've added the 5 I've gotten to the number close count. Also I'm going to start calculating my approach to bang conversion ratio.

[sammybiker]

Love the breakdowns, excellent thread.

[IAmAlpha504]

Ur makin great progress playa, may ur good fortune continue...

[maddog152fo]

Enjoying your posts. I'm a lazy mofo when it comes to PUA but I have to admit, the logical, methodical approach you guys take really appeals to my left brain.

Quote:

She called me a "badboy". For any newbies reading this, when a girl calls you a badboy she is craving your meaty intrusion. If you don't fuck her that night, or at most within a 72 hours, just go home and kick your own ass- you deserve it.

Ditto that. It doesn't get much more obvious.

But I'm thinking you should probably be fucking her 5 minutes later in the bathroom of the club if she says that.

[MrXY]

Made a weekday night with an OKC girl. I picked a waterfront divish bar as the place and showed up an hour early just because I liked the atmosphere and wanted to predrink a bit. I was concerned about this girl- her photos were all either fuzzy, distant or at weird angles, so I was primed to ditch. But it was a beautiful day, I was watching the boats on the water and sipping a beer so things were alright.

She walked in and meh-not too bad. Hipster eyeglasses, hipster hair , hipster dress. I was fearing a 4.5 and got a 5.4. Not fat, an average body. Claimed to be 29, so almost 20 years younger than me. Fortunately, the bad hipster girl attitude I expected from her appearance didn’t materialize. The conversation was easy and natural from the start. She had a job in the arts and turned out to be quite talented herself. Smart, artsy girls are one of my best niches and I was doing well. I dismissed the idea of ditching after 30 minutes and decided to see how matters would play out.

We had a couple of drinks and I suggested moving to another bar. She agreed and jumped in my car with me- a good sign. A couple more drinks at the next bar lubricated the movement into rapport. I then moved her to another waterfront bar that has a nice view of the harbor and a live band. This was close enough to walk to and during the walk she said something of interest. As is my habit, at certain points during the walk I took her by the upper arm to direct her. She turned to me and said” I like the way you lead me around.” I know players say don’t take anything girls say about what they like or don’t seriously (I say that also)- but it should be recognized that there is a bit of hyperbole involved there- sometimes girls will tell you exactly what turns them on –it’s just that the truth is interspersed among a lot of lies and delusions. You have to listen and be attuned.

We danced a little at the next bar. She began showing some strong signs of attraction- one in particular- she sat on her bar stool facing me directly, leaning her upper body toward me, with her legs spread wide apart. In my experience, this is a sign of not just attraction, but outright sexual arousal. After a while I led her out onto a balcony and kissed her. She eagerly returned the kiss.

It was getting late and I had to be up early. I knew a bang wasn’t going to happen due to a logistical problem- we were in a town that was about midway between our places- over half an hour drive either way. So I figured I would go ahead and go for a little car action. I suggested a nightcap at a final bar and when we went to my car I initiated a makeout session that went on for a while. When then drove to the next bar- more making out and went inside for a quick drink. Back I the car-more making out, drove her back to her car, more making out. Then told her goodbye. At least I knew for a fact that she passed the Boner Test. Plan to put her on hold until next week then maybe go for a weekend date

Current totals

Approaches: 25

Girls approaching me: 5

Kiss closes: 5

Number Closes: 8

Cockblocks: 1

Blowjobs: 2

Bangs: 5

SNLs: 2

Approach to Bang Conversion Ratio: 20%

[booshala]

Great recap, MrXY. Just recently bought Bang and Day Bang and it's great to see a lot of these principles applied in everyday life. Really appreciate all of the hard work and detail you put into this. Inspired me to start my own 100 approach challenge. Keep it up, guy.