[Roosh]

Unfortunately, I don't think this is a troll.

[manilatroy]

(06-24-2012 05:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Unfortunately, I don't think this is a troll.

lol, if my game is as bad as all you guys think it is, and I can still do a couple notches a week, I'm looking forward to improving.

[el mechanico]

(06-24-2012 05:46 PM)manilatroy Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 05:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Unfortunately, I don't think this is a troll.

lol, if my game is as bad as all you guys think it is, and I can still do a couple notches a week, I'm looking forward to improving.

I'm going to move where you are as soon as I can

[Tuthmosis]

(06-24-2012 05:46 PM)manilatroy Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 05:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Unfortunately, I don't think this is a troll.

lol, if my game is as bad as all you guys think it is, and I can still do a couple notches a week, I'm looking forward to improving.

I'm afraid this is going to be another wasthisbeta/alphamale87 troll, who asks retarded newbie questions on the one hand, but then claims to "date models" on the other. This is a form of big-ballerism that's coming to replace the older forms of trolling.

I'm going to watch this guy 24/7. I will read every one of his posts, hoping that I'm wrong.

   

[el mechanico]

Troy- Verify please because I want to help you if it's really that bad

[Roosh]

(06-24-2012 06:31 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 05:46 PM)manilatroy Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 05:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Unfortunately, I don't think this is a troll.

lol, if my game is as bad as all you guys think it is, and I can still do a couple notches a week, I'm looking forward to improving.

I'm afraid this is going to be another wasthisbeta/alphamale87 troll, who asks retarded newbie questions on the one hand, but then claims to "date models" on the other. This is a form of big-ballerism that's coming to replace the older forms of trolling.

I'm going to watch this guy 24/7. I will read every one of his posts, hoping that I'm wrong.

The Troll Historian has spoken

[Screwston]

Well he's bashed Americans, claims he has 6's and 7's in his circle yet doesn't even know how to text past a high school game level, and posted up some long ass text message convo...

[manilatroy]

(06-24-2012 06:40 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Troy- Verify please because I want to help you if it's really that bad

Verify what? I work in Manila, english is my first language.

[manilatroy]

(06-24-2012 06:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 05:46 PM)manilatroy Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 05:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Unfortunately, I don't think this is a troll.

lol, if my game is as bad as all you guys think it is, and I can still do a couple notches a week, I'm looking forward to improving.

I'm going to move where you are as soon as I can

Philippines? I thought it's quite well known on this board about philippines, I know cos I read all the threads already.

[manilatroy]

(06-24-2012 06:31 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I'm afraid this is going to be another wasthisbeta/alphamale87 troll, who asks retarded newbie questions on the one hand, but then claims to "date models" on the other. This is a form of big-ballerism that's coming to replace the older forms of trolling.

I'm going to watch this guy 24/7. I will read every one of his posts, hoping that I'm wrong.

I have all the big guns here in this thread, someone at least give me some constructive feedback here.

It's kinda funny that based a single txt exchange, everyone thinks I can't get laid. Doesn't my lifestyle, money situation, looks, etc... come into it...

[el mechanico]

(06-24-2012 07:14 PM)manilatroy Wrote:  

(06-24-2012 06:31 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I'm afraid this is going to be another wasthisbeta/alphamale87 troll, who asks retarded newbie questions on the one hand, but then claims to "date models" on the other. This is a form of big-ballerism that's coming to replace the older forms of trolling.

I'm going to watch this guy 24/7. I will read every one of his posts, hoping that I'm wrong.

I have all the big guns here in this thread, someone at least give me some constructive feedback here.

It's kinda funny that based a single txt exchange, everyone thinks I can't get laid. Doesn't my lifestyle, money situation, looks, etc... come into it...

I'm done here. My next post will be on the Xtypes thread

[Blunt]

I text girls for 4 things: setting up a meet, eliciting dirty pics, logistics questions if I'm traveling and she's a local, and usually a text after our first bang to let her know I had a good time and make her feel like not a whore.

If she's trying to flirt on text then I'll play a little, but I'm not going to do some kind of dragged out text session with her. Someone said it earlier, the very act of texting..punch little keys with your dainty fingers just doesn't seem masculine and her picturing you doing that all day won't help.

I know a couple guys who it do it from time-to-time..but sparsely. Don't be so thirsty! Not texting her in between meets won't really hurt you.

I banged a smoking girl the other night on our second date who literally told me, 'it's good that you called..it showed you took action and you were serious [about getting the bang]..when you just texted me earlier I probably wasn't going to actually meet up.'

Seriously go radio-silence on her and just pick up the phone and call her when you want to meet again. If she doesn't pick up or call you back, then she's doing you a favor, telling you that it's beyond repair and to move on.

[manilatroy]

(06-24-2012 07:24 PM)Blunt Wrote:  

I text girls for 4 things: setting up a meet, eliciting dirty pics, logistics questions if I'm traveling and she's a local, and usually a text after our first bang to let her know I had a good time and make her feel like not a whore.

If she's trying to flirt on text then I'll play a little, but I'm not going to do some kind of dragged out text session with her. Someone said it earlier, the very act of texting..punch little keys with your dainty fingers just doesn't seem masculine and her picturing you doing that all day won't help.

I know a couple guys who it do it from time-to-time..but sparsely. Don't be so thirsty! Not texting her in between meets won't really hurt you.

I banged a smoking girl the other night on our second date who literally told me, 'it's good that you called..it showed you took action and you were serious [about getting the bang]..when you just texted me earlier I probably wasn't going to actually meet up.'

Seriously go radio-silence on her and just pick up the phone and call her when you want to meet again. If she doesn't pick up or call you back, then she's doing you a favor, telling you that it's beyond repair and to move on.

Thanks for the breakdown, too many people have recommended the same thing for me not to try phone game as an experiment at least. Cheers for taking the time to explain it

[Catch 22]

You're all right about avoiding text convos, but sometimes you have to. For instance, I've got this hired gun back in my home state (from before DC), but how often will you be back there? So you need a few text convos to string the interest. So there is value to learning this shit, even if Troy would have been better off just focusing on logistics.

[haywire]

(06-24-2012 07:14 PM)manilatroy Wrote:  

It's kinda funny that based a single txt exchange, everyone thinks I can't get laid. Doesn't my lifestyle, money situation, looks, etc... come into it...

The reason people are doubting you is because your stories are not in the least congruent. 2 new notches a week a A LOT! You should be giving advice and not asking for it if you're such a high-caliber pimp.

It's like saying that you're a male model who fails face control at clubs.

Or, that you're a high-rolling billionaire who eats on food stamps.

[manilatroy]

(06-25-2012 12:29 AM)haywire Wrote:  

The reason people are doubting you is because your stories are not in the least congruent. 2 new notches a week a A LOT! You should be giving advice and not asking for it if you're such a high-caliber pimp.

It's like saying that you're a male model who fails face control at clubs.

Or, that you're a high-rolling billionaire who eats on food stamps.

Or...I am in the philippines. Just do a search on the philippines threads on this forum.

[manilatroy]

btw, everybody is saying how bad my txting is etc...but can anyone actually point out where I am going wrong, specifically, like specific lines and mistakes I made, and what I should have done, etc...

Before I posted my txt convo, and everyone piled on calling me troll, I thought my txt game wasn't too bad, I mean yes in this particular convo the girl went a bit cold/crazy, but I mean isn't the whole point of this not to be too results oriented.

[haywire]

(06-25-2012 03:21 AM)manilatroy Wrote:  

btw, everybody is saying how bad my txting is etc...but can anyone actually point out where I am going wrong, specifically, like specific lines and mistakes I made, and what I should have done, etc...

As for where you are going wrong and what you should have done, you have already been told about that multiple times, but since you specifically want a critique of your "text game", I'll do it for you:

Quote:

me: Hey troublemaker...
her: who's troublemaker? who are u??
her: who's troublemaker? who are u??(20 minutes later)
me: Lol...fogetten me already

Starts on the wrong foot. Already seeking her validation.

Quote:

her: well, ur number isn't registered in my phonebook. so u better tell me who u r. i don't like guessing.
me: haha...but I like it when you guess...my fickle minded nightowl(my nickname for her)
her: oh! MYNAME, why did u call me troublemaker? what crap did i do? and how are u?? since when did u get back?
me: cos when we see each other next time we are gonna cause some trouble...together...lol
her:whaaaaa? wooah.lol. sounds scary. now i'm having second thought of meeting u again. lol.

Lame attempts at humor.

Quote:

me: Lol...being fickle again...this time you should bring a friend and I'll see if I can make you fantasy come true(she told me she's bisexual but never acted on it)
her: nah. no need to do that.
me: you don't have a friend you like huh...
her: I just don't like getting my friends into trouble.
me: so I'm trouble huh...hehe

Weak.

Quote:

her: if u insist doing it, then u might be a trouble. lol.
me: Lol...you love it when I insist...
her: yeah but not with that kind of trouble.
me: So you do have a friend you fantasise about...tell me about her
her: let's just drop the subject. i'm not up for troubles anymore. i'm tired. and i got lots of more important things to do and to think about.

Trying to negotiate for something not-so-easy from a weak position then outrightly getting shut down.

Quote:

me: Tired at 10am...lol...You sure you are not 62 years old
her: better yet, u find someone else to do trouble with. it's fine with me. just forget everything. have a nice day.
her: can't u be serious sometimes? duh!
me: lol...I bet none of your boyfriends could handle that about you...later
her: k

She's totally creeped out at this point because of your lame and weak attempts at humor and incoherent conversation.

Quote:

her: sorry troy. just not in the mood.(1 hour later)
me: you sound down...looks like you need a cuddle
her: i'll be fine.
me: cuddling is mandatory...where else you gonna find a big teddy bear like me

Weak humor further deteriorates into beta cringe humor.

Quote:

her: haha. big teddy bear. yeah i love teddy bears.
me: ok...you can treat me like your teddy bear...but no pulling my ears
her: haha. you're so funny. thanks. :*
me: So from don't know me...to don't want to see me again...to laughing with me...miss fickle...the only thing left is to make you scream again...how's Tuesday
her: aw. i have class on tue, thurs, fri and sat. how about on wed? or saturday afternoon?

Super beta validation seeking.

Quote:

me: Classes even at night? tue or wed at 9pm
her: yeah. tuesday class ends at 9pm. but on weekdays, i can't stay out late at night. only on weekends.
me: Ok, let's do Wednesday evening then
her: ok will try.

Conceded all power to her, now she's playing hard to get.

Quote:

her: good afternoon. (2 hours later, she texts me again)
me: Who is this? You better tell me who you r...I don't like guessing
her: same here. just disregard this txt and my number. will do the same too. bye.
me: Lol...you got more drama than Quinn from glee
her: oh stfu.

Gives you another chance and you again blow it royally.

Quote:

me: Can you stay angry for 3 days...cos then we can have makeup sex...that'd be hot

Even if Brad Pitt were to proposition an absolute hideous mud turtle for sex when she has food poisoning, he's bound to get rejected.

There is a mood for every type of conversation, you can't just talk sex with a chick who have you so brutally creeped out.

Quote:

her: for how long are u going to bother me huh??! what are u really up to?

Further expresses her exasperation at you. She just cannot figure out why are you trying so hard and then losing it completely in the process.

Quote:

me: For someone who can be so sensual and feminine, you sure try to suppress it a lot...why do you think you love to be with me...

wow, that made a lot of sense!

Final bolt in the coffin.

[manilatroy]

(06-25-2012 05:34 AM)haywire Wrote:  

As for where you are going wrong and what you should have done, you have already been told about that multiple times, but since you specifically want a critique of your "text game", I'll do it for you:

Thanks for the critique, pretty helpful, learnt some useful things, will use it to improve my txting.

[el mechanico]

(06-25-2012 08:30 AM)manilatroy Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 05:34 AM)haywire Wrote:  

As for where you are going wrong and what you should have done, you have already been told about that multiple times, but since you specifically want a critique of your "text game", I'll do it for you:

Thanks for the critique, pretty helpful, learnt some useful things, will use it to improve my txting.

Just post the scenario here before you make a text for coaching until you get it.
Haywires breakdown was brutal but spot on

[manilatroy]

(06-25-2012 08:47 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Just post the scenario here before you make a text for coaching until you get it.
Haywires breakdown was brutal but spot on

Ok since you offered to help, here's another scenario with another girl(HB8) that I banged once.

first date: took her for a bit of a hike in a tourist spot here in Manila, venue change to hotel, result, blowjob with CIM.

second date: basically txted her and made a booty call, gave her some chocolates as a gift, banged, but didn't really bang her very well. Not my best effort, the sex was mediocre.

notes on the girl, she refused to bang on first date, instead did blowjob. I did the traditional escalation and she refused all attempts at clothing removal until I basically got fed up and left her alone, then she willingly came to me and initiated with me. This happened both times.

Have tried to get her out for second bang with no success, last bang was one month ago, latest restart txt has not being answered.

Plan is to call her(based on what feedback has been here) and then somehow get her for a meet.

So advice on this scenario please.

[Veloce]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and take your request for advice for what it is.

I used to engage in shitty text game, so I can kinda see where you're coming from. No offense, but mine was never THAT bad.

Some pointers:

At your stage in the game, re-read everything. Now re-read it again. Does it sound 100% bulletproof, are you 100% confident that it will be received in a way that builds her attraction and intrigue? If the answer is no, delete it and go back to the drawing board. One of the very few beautiful things about texting is the ability to take your time with responses, which is a DHV. Rapid fire nonsensical texting will only hurt you. Gmac has written some solid posts about this. Text is mostly a game of "don't fuck it up". The more you text, the more you greatly increase your chances of fucking it up because some chicks have a cool sense of humor but many don't and will interpret your texts as just plain weird or awkward.

Your text exchange didn't sound THAT bad until you brought up the threesome nonsense. I mean, aside from the constant LOL and generally over enthusiastic tone. Chris Rock has a great bit about bringing up sexual fantasies. It has to be done confidently and dominant. Text is the most pussed out way you could possibly bring up sexual fantasies or "trouble" as you call it.

If you must text profusely, make it witty. Every line should be funny, and she should be feeding into it and fueling it. If she starts rapid firing texts, just cool it down a little and feed her slowly.

[Jordan]

I just want to thank that guy for sharing....Learning from others mistakes is a good thing. He isn't a troll, I think he was sincere in asking the forum for help.

[manilatroy]

(06-25-2012 10:09 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

At your stage in the game, re-read everything. Now re-read it again. Does it sound 100% bulletproof, are you 100% confident that it will be received in a way that builds her attraction and intrigue? If the answer is no, delete it and go back to the drawing board. One of the very few beautiful things about texting is the ability to take your time with responses, which is a DHV. Rapid fire nonsensical texting will only hurt you. Gmac has written some solid posts about this. Text is mostly a game of "don't fuck it up". The more you text, the more you greatly increase your chances of fucking it up because some chicks have a cool sense of humor but many don't and will interpret your texts as just plain weird or awkward.

I'm quite new to all this terminology stuff, like non-negotiation and not seeking validation, etc...

I tried a search for some of gmac's posts about txting, can't find anything other than some posts about online game, is that what you mean?

[Social Deviant]

I know where your coming from. I used to do the whole asshole game text BS too until I realized that being a dancing monkey and being witty doesn't get you far, the only time it helps is when your in person and its done lightly, it can come off as try hard if not done right.

I say that from your texts you pushed it too much. You teased way too much and constantly negged her, it got annoying for her, and you know that from her replies. Also jumping into sex over text probably aint a good idea unless you know eachother very well or are in an LTR with her(lololololol, LTR...). If you already banged her, you can lay back a little, cause really, you banged her, she pretty much gave up any power she had as soon as her panties dropped.

The only time I ever texted girls like that is when I was on bbm in the middle of my profs lecture and she was sitting right next to me. But after class it was all face to face, no bbm BS. Also I only ever texted her if I needed to know something about class/exam/homework/ or study date confirmation or time. Texting a girl for the sake of texting is useless. I have a little sister who is still in. Grade school, and her and her freinds text eachother and face time each other just because their bored. They talk about nothing, and do absolutely SHIT ALL. Don't be her texting buddy, girls have enough of that.

But you said texting has gotten you laid? Or something along those lines, so maybe your previous texts were better? Anyway I rarely ever reply to a girls text unless its important or she's asking a serious question, and even then I reply a few hours later not because I wait, but because I don't want to indulge girls in their BS. Don't be a total dick when replying or not replying, but make it seem that the only reason you even bother to reply is because you like them "a liitle bit". Also some texts don't need replies, and replying with "cool" or "sounds good" is enough. Don't be their royal jester. And really if you have better things to do than texting all day, that in itself is a DHV.

Anyway good luck, and I really hope you aren't a troll, cuz then everyones time will be wasted.
Good luck troy