[Roosh]

What does JV stand for?

[Rah]

Joint Venture

[Jalouse]

I'm glad to see some people are on the same page here. Fair enough if you want to show people how to flog this rubbish but I don't think you really want to see the products promoted on here.

I noticed tk that you're figures are already dropping, initially it was 1-3k a month possibly even 10k a month if you hustled, now you say you made some spare cash with it and a friend made $500 a month, not quite so impressive.

[Saladin]

@Jalouse

You forget the part where I said he barely puts in any effort on it. He probably spends a few hours a month on it.
My friend makes the 500-800 the month with barely any effort. He could scale it up to 2-3k and he is doing that right now. Regardless, I'm not gonna defend my method, I just want to show the forum how a WF product is released.

[Big Nilla]

(06-21-2012 01:02 AM)Vice Wrote:  

(06-20-2012 08:30 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

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(06-21-2012 12:18 AM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

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Not to mention the scores of Kindle WSOs that have already been released on the forum. So I don't see how selling WSOs would reduce Kindle sales. Anyway, to each their own

Amazon is getting harder to game, which is good for me. Higher barrier to entry.

1 note, you have a logical fallacy right there. Just because tons of crappy kindle wso's that teach nothing important have been released on warrior forum doesn't mean me selling a kindle wso with GOOD info that works wouldn't reduce my sales. I agree, someone else's kindle wso that sucks won't do much if anything to hurt my kindle sales. But me doing a wso with my secrets most definitely would hurt my sales if hundreds of people were able to implement my techniques.

Someone like my ex business partner who truly isn't a kindle expert and is making less than $750 off kindle, yeah, a kindle wso would make him more money or give him a nice pop ($4,000 in his case). But a true kindle expert or expert on anything that's making a lot of money, they keep their mouth shut and would never release a wso.

[Saladin]

VP, I'll send you a copy soon brotha!

[WestIndianArchie]

Is there a chart or a resource on the most successful WSO's?

I always thought a follow up blog would be great as well.

WIA

[AlphaTravel]

Not sure how I missed this thread. When you guys get this product sorted out, be sure to send us Roosh V members a review copy and we can give you an honest opinion on it. I'm active on Warrior Forum, BHW and DP and if it was genuinely good I'd give you a good write up.

I won't judge whether you're 'snake oil salesmen' until I've seen the product but I can understand the scepticism from some of the others. There's a lot of shit peddled on the IM forums, as well as some good stuff, a lot of it by newbies who have just read some other newbies stuff and think they are knowledgeable. Often it's the blind leading the blind, you see claims of methods that are making tens of thousands a month then when you look further into it and ask questions it turns out the guy who posted the method just started the project and has no idea how much can be made because he hasn't made any money yet.

I've just launched a couple of new online projects today to test the waters and see whether they can make me some cash. Time will tell. I've got dozens of other ideas if they don't work out.

[worldwidetraveler]

I used to make an extra 30k a year selling on that forum. That was some time ago and only a very part time thing but not bad for some extra coin. I do believe you can make a 6 figure income selling on that forum especially since they now allow affiliates. That is if you set up your sale funnel correctly.

I did learn a ton about that particular market. It is lucrative but a bitch of a market.

I think it is tougher to sell now but the main goal is getting positive feedback going right away. The more popular the thread the more money you will make. If you can get some well known people on there to post their review it will help a lot.

Social proof is king on that forum. You can sell a lot even if you don't have a good sales page.

[AntiTrace]

what products are you selling? How much cash we talking here.

I have been to WF before, but only browsed and looked for good advice, I never go into the buying other people products mainly because I know I could find the same advice/do better on my own with a little bit of work.

But people are indeed lazy and I have heard they buy up just about anything relating to their fields of interest. The products always seemed like a cheap billy mays commercial to me...RIP ole BM

[Neo]

(06-21-2012 06:44 AM)bface Wrote:  

I recently launched a good seo software product on there but only sold one subscription. The people on there just don't get it and look for a get rich quick scheme... I will have to relaunch with a scammy sales page so that people end up buying... They did not even understand the concept of google updates etc... Shocking for an affiliate marketing website...

Makes me a little sick every time I am on that website...

Are scammy hyped up sales pages what is required to sell products these days? I've been looking into doing some copywriting and it seems that all of them follow the same formula. Personally when I read like 95% of sales pages my BS detector goes through the roof. I'm naturally a skeptical person, but I guess whatever sells.

[AlphaTravel]

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Are scammy hyped up sales pages what is required to sell products these days? I've been looking into doing some copywriting and it seems that all of them follow the same formula. Personally when I read like 95% of sales pages my BS detector goes through the roof. I'm naturally a skeptical person, but I guess whatever sells.

Curious to know the answer to this too as most of the sales pages for internet marketing products and lists etc look scammy as you can get to me. I close them immediately and won't even stick my email in the box so I wonder why anyone else would?

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-23-2012 08:28 AM)Neo Wrote:  

Are scammy hyped up sales pages what is required to sell products these days? I've been looking into doing some copywriting and it seems that all of them follow the same formula. Personally when I read like 95% of sales pages my BS detector goes through the roof. I'm naturally a skeptical person, but I guess whatever sells.

Scammy and hype are not the same thing. Hype isn't a bad thing as long as you're not lying about the product.

Yes, hype can increase sales. The formula works and has worked for many years in direct mail.

If you actually followed the path of a person reading your sales letter, you would get a better understanding of why those sales letters are structured the way they are.

People don't read line for line, the scroll up and down a lot. They scan the page without reading top to bottom.

Those hypey headlines hopefully pull them in long enough to get them interested.

[Neo]

(06-23-2012 11:35 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Scammy and hype are not the same thing. Hype isn't a bad thing as long as you're not lying about the product.

Yes, hype can increase sales. The formula works and has worked for many years in direct mail.

If you actually followed the path of a person reading your sales letter, you would get a better understanding of why those sales letters are structured the way they are.

People don't read line for line, the scroll up and down a lot. They scan the page without reading top to bottom.

Those hypey headlines hopefully pull them in long enough to get them interested.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm going through a course that breaks down one of these sales pages piece by piece and line by line, describing the method behind the writing. I want to get a better understanding of why they are structured the way they are.

Quite frankly all I really care about is practicality and results. If a certain page or method sells more products than another despite it being 'salesy' then it is vastly superior.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-23-2012 12:58 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm going through a course that breaks down one of these sales pages piece by piece and line by line, describing the method behind the writing. I want to get a better understanding of why they are structured the way they are.

Quite frankly all I really care about is practicality and results. If a certain page or method sells more products than another despite it being 'salesy' then it is vastly superior.

When looking at stuff like this, you have to understand intent. These sales letters are not building brand awareness. They are trying to make the prospect take action right then and there.

You want a signup or a sale, in most cases.

People complain on the forums all the time about hype, scammy looking sales letters, videos and other bullshit. Most never test to see how effective they are. You got to test to see what works and what doesn't. Markets react differently. Courses will only get you so far.

[Saladin]

Yeah the sales letters seem extremely cheesy but they work....

Hey, if people got extremely high conversions with reasonable unhyped sales letters do you really think people would make these kind of sales pages?

Its kind of like blaming MTV for creating Jersey Shore. Its the audience that demands and devours it.

Right now we are working out logistics with a potential release partner. We're also going to be looking for power users on Warrior Forum who we want to send review copies to.

Our goal is 15 solid reviews before we launch, with at least a few from power users on Warrior Forums(500-1000+ posts). The partner we are currently talking to is a copywriter and also has graphic design skills so the sales letter should be solid and convert well. PM if you have a Warrior Forum account and would like free review copies when we finish up the final edits. One condition though, PM me your reviews or post them on WF when it releases but do not post it on RVF because I don't want the name of the product on here. As I said I don't want anyone on Warrior Forum finding this thread because it would result in some trouble.

After we secure reviews the next step is creating an affiliate program and finding people to promote the product on their lists. If you have ever been on an IM'ers list you will know that they LOVE sending out emails every day about the next "life-changing" product.

SO-

Current Steps-
1. Talk to partner on skype and create a contract/agreement.
2. Find 15-20 Reviewers.

Next Steps-
1. Create Affiliate Program.
2. Find Affiliates to get on board for the launch.