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06-21-2012, 03:05 AM
See, the problem is that you'd have to make your desicion before the verdict. If you're facing 40 years, but think you'll be found innocent, should you still run?
And if you run, it will be taken as an admission of guilt. If you stay you might be found innocent.
However, if the verdict is found guilty you won't be able to run anywhere, as your passport and assets will be frozen.
Personally I would take money out of my bank, keep tons of ca$h on hand during the trial, and if there's a guilty verdict disappear into the forest and make my way to Canada or Mexico. You'd have to find a way over the border without being cauught, then once in those countries take a plane to somewhere more remote.
Even that will be a challenge too, since without a passport you won't be able to go anywhere on a plane. In fact, once the trial is started your passport might be immediately frozen.
If you do something extremely illegal, and think you might get caught for it, it must be best to run before you get arrested.
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06-21-2012, 07:18 PM
As some have alluded to, if there's an international manhunt for you, good luck. But if you're not a high profile criminal and you decide to run and want to avoid the airports and major choke points of a country, consider jumping aboard a cargo ship. A lot of shipping companies let civilians buy tickets and hitch a ride. If you do everything the formal way, you have to show your passport and possess the relevant visas for the countries to which the ship travels...but money talks on cargo ships. If you have money, you can make it work to your advantage. Especially foreign flagged ships. Just choose your destination port wisely. A lot of countries, such as the U.S., guard the terminals very well.
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06-22-2012, 03:03 PM
Another thing to consider is regardless of time served, being a convicted felon.
Spending a year in prison is doable, but a lifetime of not being able to leave the country? That is tough
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06-22-2012, 03:20 PM
Let's say you had to go to prison..Who's got your back in there? Are you gonna just walk into the general population or will some group be expecting you?
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06-22-2012, 04:56 PM
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06-22-2012, 05:02 PM
By the way, every guy has one of two discussions about the criminal law, and neither are even close to consistent with reality:
1. "I would never plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit."
That's false. 99% of guys with asses on the line cop to something they didn't do. But nearly every guy is sure he wouldn't do the same thing. Even as crazy as I am, I would absolutely plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit to avoid 5-10x more prison time.
2. "I would flee."
How you gonna flee? You have cash? How long is that cash going to last?
Let's look at the logistics. The police don't give you a warning. "Hey, we're going to charge you with a crime."
Indeed, many times lawyers beg the cops, "Let us turn our client in. Don't arrest him at his home."
So it's not like you have time to stash money away before you're arrested.
You get charged with a crime and arrested. They arrest you at work so that you lose your job.
Now you're jobless. You're in jail.
To even get out of jail, you need to post bond. Bond is going to be 10% of bail, if you use a bail bondsman.
So let's say you're caught running drugs and your bail is $100,000. You'll post $10,000 to a bail bondsman. The bondsman will have to post the $100,000 if you flee. (That's why bounty hunters are hired to look for you.)
But bail bondsmen aren't stupid. You'll need to have a family member co-sign the bond. So if you flee, now a family member has to come up with the money.
So how many guys even have $10,000 to get bailed out? How many are going to leave a family member on the hook for the $100,000? Plus, if your bail is substantial, bounty hunters will be looking for you. Those guys are trained to find people, where as none of us are trained to hide.
Also, bail is set based on your net worth. So if you have $500,000 in the bank, your bail is going to be high. Your accounts will almost be frozen.
But let's be optimistic, almost to the point of fantasy.
Let's say you can somehow get $100,000 cash before your accounts are frozen. That has to last your entire life. It has to cover bribes. And let's hope you don't get robbed.
How are you and your duffell bag of cash going to get out of the country?
Are you physically tough? You're going to live in an underworld - which means you'll be around criminals all day. You ever shot someone, stabbed someone, or given someone a beatdown of their life?
Are you connected to people who can get you out of the border?
Why won't the criminals or government officials you think you'll bribe just take all of your money and then turn your ass in to the bounty hunter for a reward?
Fleeing is impractical, which is why almost no guy ever does it. In several years of dealing with criminals, I've never seen a guy go ghost.
But on the Internet, every guy would flee.
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WWYD if you were Facing Prison Time
06-22-2012, 05:13 PM
I wouldn't even attempt to run unless it was 20 or more years. I can't believe some guys wouldn't do 6 months or a year. I would get down with Tango Blast, the biggest Hispanic prison gang in Texas. The only good thing I can think of is you're not expected to keep doing shit for them once you get out like others. Texas and California are the worst states for prison. It wouldn't be shit to get locked up in Iowa or Wyoming like Mike said.
I would also release "Prison Game" and break down the steps to fuck those female guards
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06-22-2012, 05:54 PM
A bit out of topic but the US law can be fucked up sometimes.
Last night i was watching this documentary about 2 black cats that assaulted a bank and killed one of the bank assistants. As a participant in the crime, there was this other guy that sold the guns to the two assaultants (those guns were used during the crime). The guy that sold the guns bought it from a gun shop and sold them for a profit. The judge gave life sentences for the two assaultants and for the guy that sold them the guns without the possibility of parole.. i just thought what the fuck? You sell guns and you get sent to jail for life, if he was in the UK, i doubt he would get sent to jail for more than 15 years..the US laws are crazy for real.
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06-23-2012, 12:50 AM
^ I'm not talking about guys who jump bail or FTA/failure to appear.
I'm talking about guys who just go ghost, disappearing, never to be seen again.
What % of cases do you think that happens in?
What would you personally do if looking at 40 years?
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06-23-2012, 04:42 PM
It doesn't sound like the driver guy even did anything illegal.
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06-23-2012, 05:30 PM
If you want an interesting insight into what it's like to 'go ghost' read Kevin Mitnick's Ghost in the Wires. Roosh reviewed it here:
http://www.rooshv.com/more-book-reviews-11
This guy was good enough of a hacker that he could create multiple identities for himself, monitor the investigators on his trail, remotely control all the phone switches in the Los Angeles area, etc. Even so he couldn't do it for more than a couple of years. Granted it was his continued hacking that eventually led to his being caught, but it's a good insight into the psychological pressures of leaving your old identity behind and constantly watching your back.
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