Quote: (06-16-2012 05:43 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:
Like everything In life the extreme left or right options are not the answer, a solid mix is.
As of about a year or two ago I started switching from text game to a text-phone hybrid. It was spurred
From absolute frustration of trying to explain things via text. 15 minutes of text exchange to do explain something I could verbally explain in 2-3 minutes on the phone.
My first contact is always a phone call. If they answer I it's a five minute or less conversation with a goal in mind. I.E. I don't call to chat, I call to set something up, and end the call afterwards.
If it goes to voicemail, I do exactly what Harry does.
Second call if no answer I leave no voicemail, but I will send a follow up text to see if she is more comfortable to communicate via text.
One of the clutch moves I do to determine interested/flakiness is to phone her immediately after receiving a text. If she doesn't answer I text her back that I don't have time for an hour long text banter, and to call me when she has five minutes free.
I love the phone call during text exchange. It always catches them off guard.
Agreed. I think this is a good strategy although a simple intro text then call could work as well if she simply handed you her number on a piece of paper, as she's never answering a call from a number she doesn't know.
To avoid this, I usually have the girl put her number in my phone and then I ring it immediately in front of her to make sure that she know's who is calling her. I do this 95% of the time. It takes away the whole issue of having to call up and say "Hey, it me. Remember me. Yeah, from there" which personally feels like I'm pandering to her from the get go. Of course, it can be played cool the way Harry mentioned, but I prefer to make the first call without doing the whole reintroduction thing. It feels lame to me. I much prefer taking her number and calling it to give her mine immediately. If she doesn't save it, and she doesn't know who I am when I call, then I'm basically done unless she show major interest.
In my case, I met her on a Friday and texted her late Sunday night "Hey it's IVth. Nice meeting you Friday." She handed me her number as I was leaving so all she knows is my first name and that we talked for 10 minutes on a Friday. The text sets up the call.
Basically, I put it in her court. If she ignores the text, I'm done and I only wasted a few minutes. If she give me a courtesy "Hi. You too", I'll go straight to a call within a few hours up to a day or two later. No texts in between.
In this case, she comes out, "Hi!! Is this IVth from upstairs at restaurant?" It's genuine interest and usually I would have moved straight to the call. As I mentioned, she is texing me during work 8am - 5pm, school 5:30 - 10pm, and even while driving home in a fucking thunderstorm downpour. I have to tell her to stop texting me before she runs off the road. Again, these girls love texting. She's asking me engaging questions and giving me detailed, immediate answers. I give in and play back with her because she's enjoying it and I did not feel that she was wasting my time. I say "we can do this and that, when we get together" and she's replying "Yeah, that sounds great!"
Could I have called her in the 20 minutes she had between work and school every day as if I was waiting all day just to attack her every minute, when she's showing a ton on interest by text? Yeah, I guess so. Or maybe I should have called right at 10:15 as she drives home in the dark. Why not.
As for the upfront game G, I surprised myself at how well I did. In 10 minutes, I not only neutralized the 2 guys that she was with (friends with girlfriends, not them) but shook their hands, made pleasantries and then isolated her and went direct. She's asking me advice, I'm showing her sexual interest without any kind of neediness, I lightly joke with her, show my status and value without seeking approval and leave the interaction on a high note. Most guys would have never gotten that number.
The real issue is that this girl lives in her fucking world and she doesn't have an ounce of patience for anyone telling her anything. She's a high status bitch with no remorse. Even as well as I did with the interaction, 10 minutes is not enough to hold me over for the next 5 days of her 9am to 10pm, 30 minutes break schedule without texting. I fucked up reengaging on a Monday and yes I should have texted her "call me on your break for a minute". She's knows that I know her schedule, am I calling just to leave a voicemail when I know she can't answer the phone and we're already chatting?
My biggest lesson. Avoid bitches that have zero time in their day for anything. Her friends even said that she never calls them back and never hangs out. I think she would be fine having a tea party and only inviting herself. Again, MASSIVE EGOs. No one is close to as important as she is. It's her world, we live in it. That's why it's not enough to just say, call her and if shes doesn't answer, try again and then delete the number. Girls at this level LIVE by text. You either play that game a little and move for the face to face meet up/keep calling or you will filter 95% of them. I see a girl at this level maybe once every 6 months.
Fisto, I reread the thread and I am going to take some of the advice and test out different things. I agree that filtering and focusing on the most eager leads is great for not wasting time. In this one case, I do think that she was being genuine. I'm not a young buck. I pull good quality and am not hurting for pussy. It's not hard for me to get. I just want the best because I'm greedy and why not. I will say one thing, I have gotten a bit lazy. I cannot remember the last time a took a girl out to any kind of dinner. Out of my last 10 lays, 7 were ONS two were strippers that I keep in touch with (by text) and 1 was a girl that I had met once before but still no dinner. I spent 2 hours last night trying to tell this bitch that I'm not gonna make out with her at the bar while her boyfriend and his brother are sitting within viewing distance. I actually had to make her feel bad to leave me alone.
That said, 9+ talent is making me rethink my lazy game that pulls the 7's and 8's without much work on my part.
All posts appreciated, even the one calling texting gay. It's still a useful tool and it get me laid plenty. I will test out using better voicemail game, so thanks for that.