[j r]

(06-07-2012 04:22 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 04:18 PM)j r Wrote:  

If you're so weak-minded that you allow your wife, or ex-wife or whatever she is, to goad you into punching her dead in her facial features on video, I find it hard to have sympathy for you.

Goad? Her hitting him first is considered goading now?

Really, dude? You think he felt threatened. He was defending himself, right? There's two reasons to punch someone. One, you're in the act of defending yourself. Two, you're sending a message to make sure that person doesn't threaten you again. This is obviously not a case of number one. If it's number two, why is he with a women that he has to discipline in that manner? That's a failure on his part. I've been with a lot of women and I've never had to punch one to get what I want. If I met a chick like that, she wouldn't be more than a fling. I sure as shit wouldn't be having kids with her.

By the way, know that my feelings aren't motivated by any sympathy for the women. She's likely known what kind of dude he was since the beginning and may even like being hit. That said, the day you end up on YouTube giving your children's mother a right cross is the day you should realize that you've made a series of very bad decisions.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 04:30 PM)j r Wrote:  

Really, dude? You think he felt threatened. He was defending himself, right? There's two reasons to punch someone. One, you're in the act of defending yourself. Two, you're sending a message to make sure that person doesn't threaten you again. This is obviously not a case of number one. If it's number two, why is he with a women that he has to discipline in that manner? That's a failure on his part. I've been with a lot of women and I've never had to punch one to get what I want. If I met a chick like that, she wouldn't be more than a fling. I sure as shit wouldn't be having kids with her.

By the way, know that my feelings aren't motivated by any sympathy for the women. She's likely known what kind of dude he was since the beginning and may even like being hit. That said, the day you end up on YouTube giving your children's mother a right cross is the day you should realize that you've made a series of very bad decisions.

I am not talking about any relationship here. I think it is shitty on both sides to be doing that stuff in front of their kids.

I am talking about a woman hitting a man. If she wants to act like a man she should be treated like one. It doesn't matter if they were on date, dating for years or married. She wants to get physical with someone she needs to be aware of what can happen. Same as you or me hitting some other guy.

Too many women think they can physically abuse men without repercussions.

Besides, even having a fling with a pyscho can lead to kids.

[Hotwheels]

There are loads of broads out there that do this shit. I've seen it first hand with a short term GF who would keep pushing further and further, pushing every button she could trying to get me to lash out at her. Normally I'm cool as a cucumber, which I think actually made her try even harder to get me to blow, but I slapped her upside the head once and she turned into a kitten.

Weird.

I avoid these broads like the plague now, but drama queens and violence lovers are out there and you can't always tell at first glance if she's one of those nutjobs.

Saying that, I see a lot of white knights in this here thread. If you poke the bear enough sooner or later he's gonna take a swing at you....

[j r]

(06-07-2012 04:38 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 04:30 PM)j r Wrote:  

Really, dude? You think he felt threatened. He was defending himself, right? There's two reasons to punch someone. One, you're in the act of defending yourself. Two, you're sending a message to make sure that person doesn't threaten you again. This is obviously not a case of number one. If it's number two, why is he with a women that he has to discipline in that manner? That's a failure on his part. I've been with a lot of women and I've never had to punch one to get what I want. If I met a chick like that, she wouldn't be more than a fling. I sure as shit wouldn't be having kids with her.

By the way, know that my feelings aren't motivated by any sympathy for the women. She's likely known what kind of dude he was since the beginning and may even like being hit. That said, the day you end up on YouTube giving your children's mother a right cross is the day you should realize that you've made a series of very bad decisions.

I am not talking about any relationship here. I think it is shitty on both sides to be doing that stuff in front of their kids.

I am talking about a woman hitting a man. If she wants to act like a man she should be treated like one. It doesn't matter if they were on date, dating for years or married. She wants to get physical with someone she needs to be aware of what can happen. Same as you or me hitting some other guy.

Too many women think they can physically abuse men without repercussions.

Besides, even having a fling with a pyscho can lead to kids.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. I said that I have no sympathy for this guy. And I said that smart dudes don't end up on YouTube punching their wives in the grill over a PlayStation. How is that even controversial?

If you want to play great manosphere avenger and go punching every crazy bitch in the face, have at it. I'm sure plenty of dudes will have your back on the internet. Personally, I would counsel against it, though.

There are better ways of dealing with crazy women than punching them in the face (especially when there's a good chance that's exactly what she wants). And these ways won't land you in jail or lose you custody of your kids. Again, though, it's your choice.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 04:57 PM)j r Wrote:  

I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. I said that I have no sympathy for this guy. And I said that smart dudes don't end up on YouTube punching their wives in the grill over a PlayStation. How is that even controversial?

If you want to play great manosphere avenger and go punching every crazy bitch in the face, have at it. I'm sure plenty of dudes will have your back on the internet. Personally, I would counsel against it, though.

There are better ways of dealing with crazy women than punching them in the face (especially when there's a good chance that's exactly what she wants). And these ways won't land you in jail or lose you custody of your kids. Again, though, it's your choice.

You mean chicks punching their husbands over playstations, right?

You're also welcome to let some chick beat up on you. I am sure feminist would love a guy like you in their corner.

Personally, I would have done the El Mech move and stuck that playstation up her ass.

[tjames]

There's better ways of dealing with a girl dissing you, I don't think any of them involve punching her. When girl slapped me before I grabbed her wrist hard and gave her the eye, she didn't do it again. Vid made me feel sad.

[j r]

(06-07-2012 05:02 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You mean chicks punching their husbands over playstations, right?

You're also welcome to let some chick beat up on you. I am sure feminist would love a guy like you in their corner.

So, this dude was getting "beat up on?" Interesting. I guess you are serious, but I don't really know what to say to you. It should be pretty obvious that I'm not in either of these idiots' corners. You're so wrapped up in the anti-feminist, manosphere shit that you can't see the forest for the trees. This isn't about right or wrong. This is about self-preservation. I've never been beat on by a woman in my life and, yet, I've never had to punch one either. Go figure.

My advice to any young cats reading this right now is this: do everything you can to avoid hitting women and that starts with generally avoiding mentally unstable chicks in the first place. If you're already involved with a crazy and you have to physical defend yourself, use maximum restraint. Let her be the aggressor. In other words, be smart. There's mad dudes in any lockup right now ready to tell you how they're victims of the system or how they were "set up." And you know what, some of them are in jail unfairly, but they're still in jail.

If you think that is bad advice, then you are welcome to offer different advice, but I have nothing more to say on this.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 05:19 PM)j r Wrote:  

So, this dude was getting "beat up on?" Interesting. I guess you are serious, but I don't really know what to say to you. It should be pretty obvious that I'm not in either of these idiots' corners. You're so wrapped up in the anti-feminist, manosphere shit that you can't see the forest for the trees. This isn't about right or wrong. This is about self-preservation. I've never been beat on by a woman in my life and, yet, I've never had to punch one either. Go figure.

My advice to any young cats reading this right now is this: do everything you can to avoid hitting women and that starts with generally avoiding mentally unstable chicks in the first place. If you're already involved with a crazy and you have to physical defend yourself, use maximum restraint. Let her be the aggressor. In other words, be smart. There's mad dudes in any lockup right now ready to tell you how they're victims of the system or how they were "set up." And you know what, some of them are in jail unfairly, but they're still in jail.

If you think that is bad advice, then you are welcome to offer different advice, but I have nothing more to say on this.

Dude, we both are saying the same thing over and over again.

I don't necessarily disagree with walking away. It just seems to me that your busting on the guy when it was the woman that started the shit.

You don't know what I am wrapped up in. I don't follow the manosphere stuff. I just think if a woman wants to step up to a man and hit him she needs to be prepared to be hit back. I don't feel sympathy for her. I don't feel sad for her. It doesn't make my skin crawl or whatever.

You guys are blaming the dude when it was very apparent the woman was all over his ass and started getting physical with him.

So when can he defend himself? Does she have to bruise him? Does she have to draw blood? You think someone can just hit anyone and it is ok as long as it doesn't hurt?

Some major white knights going on here.

[tjames]

(06-07-2012 05:25 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 05:19 PM)j r Wrote:  

So, this dude was getting "beat up on?" Interesting. I guess you are serious, but I don't really know what to say to you. It should be pretty obvious that I'm not in either of these idiots' corners. You're so wrapped up in the anti-feminist, manosphere shit that you can't see the forest for the trees. This isn't about right or wrong. This is about self-preservation. I've never been beat on by a woman in my life and, yet, I've never had to punch one either. Go figure.

My advice to any young cats reading this right now is this: do everything you can to avoid hitting women and that starts with generally avoiding mentally unstable chicks in the first place. If you're already involved with a crazy and you have to physical defend yourself, use maximum restraint. Let her be the aggressor. In other words, be smart. There's mad dudes in any lockup right now ready to tell you how they're victims of the system or how they were "set up." And you know what, some of them are in jail unfairly, but they're still in jail.

If you think that is bad advice, then you are welcome to offer different advice, but I have nothing more to say on this.

Dude, we both are saying the same thing over and over again.

I don't necessarily disagree with walking away. It just seems to me that your busting on the guy when it was the woman that started the shit.

You don't know what I am wrapped up in. I don't follow the manosphere stuff. I just think if a woman wants to step up to a man and hit him she needs to be prepared to be hit back. I don't feel sympathy for her. I don't feel sad for her. It doesn't make my skin crawl or whatever.

You guys are blaming the dude when it was very apparent the woman was all over his ass and started getting physical with him.

So when can he defend himself? Does she have to bruise him? Does she have to draw blood? You think someone can just hit anyone and it is ok as long as it doesn't hurt?

Some major white knights going on here.

Dude was being a crybaby in the video. Check out the end when he realizes he fucked up. If he was an alpha(all morality aside), then he would have not given a shit. But he's a beta who was a crybaby about a PS and hit a girl. The fact that she hits him first and disses him is proof of it. He never dominated the relationship, if it continues he'll be in the doghouse for a long time. If he dominated she wouldn't have cared about it and wouldn't hit him.

Plus punching a girl whose a scrawny stick when your muscular like that is just pathetic. White knight or not I'd never smack a woman, wouldn't let myself get smacked but wouldn't smack one either. If that was my sister if that video I would have beat the guy's ass.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 05:39 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Dude was being a crybaby in the video. Check out the end when he realizes he fucked up. If he was an alpha(all morality aside), then he would have not given a shit. But he's a beta who was a crybaby about a PS and hit a girl. The fact that she hits him first and disses him is proof of it. He never dominated the relationship, if it continues he'll be in the doghouse for a long time. If he dominated she wouldn't have cared about it and wouldn't hit him.

Plus punching a girl whose a scrawny stick when your muscular like that is just pathetic. White knight or not I'd never smack a woman, wouldn't let myself get smacked but wouldn't smack one either. If that was my sister if that video I would have beat the guy's ass.

So it's his fault she hit him?

[tjames]

(06-07-2012 05:41 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 05:39 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Dude was being a crybaby in the video. Check out the end when he realizes he fucked up. If he was an alpha(all morality aside), then he would have not given a shit. But he's a beta who was a crybaby about a PS and hit a girl. The fact that she hits him first and disses him is proof of it. He never dominated the relationship, if it continues he'll be in the doghouse for a long time. If he dominated she wouldn't have cared about it and wouldn't hit him.

Plus punching a girl whose a scrawny stick when your muscular like that is just pathetic. White knight or not I'd never smack a woman, wouldn't let myself get smacked but wouldn't smack one either. If that was my sister if that video I would have beat the guy's ass.

So it's his fault she hit him?

No, it's her fault she got hit. But he was still a crybaby and weak, if girl was dominated by him never would have gone down like it.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 05:43 PM)tjames Wrote:  

No, it's her fault she got hit. But he was still a crybaby and weak, if girl was dominated by him never would have gone down like it.

How old are you?

[Basil Ransom]

Traveler, we're not 'blaming' the dude per se. We're putting ourselves in his shoes and saying, "yeah, I wouldn't take that route." We know girls can be retarded. You wouldn't yell at a dog for eating the steak in front of it. You simply don't give it the option. But we expect more of ourselves, and other men by extension. And we don't expect the world and everyone in it to be perfect- we mostly accept people as they are, and hedge our bets accordingly. If I see a man losing control, and acting in a way that doesn't serve his interests, then I think he's doing it wrong.

And she didn't pose much of a threat. Bear hug her, throw her against a wall, done. The point of getting physical with a girl is to demonstrate dominance, not to inflict injury. A closed fist strike is unsuitable for that reason.

It's not clear the guy is even a thug. He might be pretty chill if not provoked. But she provokes him. Hell, she may have planted the camera and then acted out, just to get some abuse on video.

The whole matter of 'fault' and 'victim' is irrelevant bullshit anyway. You need to think in terms of actions and their outcomes. You need to identify what you can do to make the situation turn out the way you want. Even if I agreed that he was justified in decking the girl... so what? Does that get him what he wants?

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 05:44 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Traveler, we're not 'blaming' the dude per se. We're putting ourselves in his shoes and saying, "yeah, I wouldn't take that route." We know girls can be retarded. You wouldn't yell at a dog for eating the steak in front of it. You simply don't give it the option. But we expect more of ourselves, and other men by extension. And we don't expect the world and everyone in it to be perfect- we mostly accept people as they are, and hedge our bets accordingly.

Have you been in his situation before? If not then it is difficult to know how you would react until you were pushed. We don't know what happened before the video.

It sure seems like the guy is getting the most blame here. Sure, you would want to act differently but who knows how you would react if you were pushed enough.

[Basil Ransom]

(06-07-2012 05:48 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 05:44 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Traveler, we're not 'blaming' the dude per se. We're putting ourselves in his shoes and saying, "yeah, I wouldn't take that route." We know girls can be retarded. You wouldn't yell at a dog for eating the steak in front of it. You simply don't give it the option. But we expect more of ourselves, and other men by extension. And we don't expect the world and everyone in it to be perfect- we mostly accept people as they are, and hedge our bets accordingly.

Have you been in his situation before? If not then it is difficult to know how you would react until you were pushed. We don't know what happened before the video.

It sure seems like the guy is getting the most blame here. Sure, you would want to act differently but who knows how you would react if you were pushed enough.

The hope is that we'd be cool headed enough to take a more measured path, like restraining her.

I haven't been in an LTR in a while, so I don't get into arguments much. I know when a girl is trying to goad me, and I just don't fall for it. I state my position, and follow through or walk out. If I were him, I'd have moved her out of the way before it gotten to fighting, and then just take my playstation. Arguing with her at all is saying that she has a say in the matter, when she doesn't. Don't validate her by getting wrapped up in her tantrum.

[tjames]

(06-07-2012 05:44 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 05:43 PM)tjames Wrote:  

No, it's her fault she got hit. But he was still a crybaby and weak, if girl was dominated by him never would have gone down like it.

How old are you?

How old are you? Since you are acting like a 12 year old disrespecting everyone who disagrees with you. Like the other guy above was saying punching her solved nothing. And they both didn't have to do it in front of the kids look how scared they were.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 05:59 PM)tjames Wrote:  

How old are you? Since you are acting like a 12 year old disrespecting everyone who disagrees with you. Like the other guy above was saying punching her solved nothing. And they both didn't have to do it in front of the kids look how scared they were.

Does that make you sad?

[porscheguy]

(06-07-2012 05:17 PM)tjames Wrote:  

There's better ways of dealing with a girl dissing you, I don't think any of them involve punching her. When girl slapped me before I grabbed her wrist hard and gave her the eye, she didn't do it again. Vid made me feel sad.

You understand that this is considered abusive as well don't you?

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2012 06:38 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(06-07-2012 05:17 PM)tjames Wrote:  

There's better ways of dealing with a girl dissing you, I don't think any of them involve punching her. When girl slapped me before I grabbed her wrist hard and gave her the eye, she didn't do it again. Vid made me feel sad.

You understand that this is considered abusive as well don't you?

All she would need is a bruise to show the cops to put him away.

[porscheguy]

(06-07-2012 04:18 PM)j r Wrote:  

Personally, I find the knee-jerk reactions to feminism as annoying as I find feminism itself. If you're so weak-minded that you allow your wife, or ex-wife or whatever she is, to goad you into punching her dead in her facial features on video, I find it hard to have sympathy for you.

What knee jerk reaction to feminism are you talking about? They say they want to be equal, treat them equally, and hold them to the same standards as you would a man. Stop downplaying her actions with words like "goad". She hit him twice. It doesn't matter if she's small and incapable of delivering a damaging blow. It's the intent to cause cause injury that matters. Regardless of your strength and ability, when you punch or hit someone, you generally have displayed the intent to injure them.

(06-07-2012 04:18 PM)j r Wrote:  

The day you find yourself standing in front of a judge (in either a custody hearing or a criminal trial) saying things like, "but your honor, she started it," is the day you have officially lost. What are the chances this guy can even get split custody of his kids now? Dude will be meeting his kids in Borders like the Kanye song. Why be that guy in the first place?

The aftermath is irrelevant. Judging by the opinions here, we already know he'll get fucked. But if you want to talk about the aftermath and make speculations, I'm game. Let's speculate that he really snaps after being hit and decides to put her face through the TV or the wall. Yes, he'll probably go to jail. Will putting his ass in jail take her out of a wheelchair, or put her face back together? Will it make her whole again? Fuck no! In the end, they're both still losers.

(06-07-2012 04:18 PM)j r Wrote:  

You can be the loser sitting around complaining how he got screwed by feminism or you can be smart and avoid the trouble all together. I know which path I prefer.

You are correct in suggesting that if he were smart, he would have not allowed himself to be drawn into the situation. The only sympathy I feel is for the kids who have some shitty sorry excuses for parents. I agree that he should have left. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not excusing his behavior. He didn't have a right to hit her. But at the same time, she didn't have a right to hit him. When you hit someone, the only reasonable thing you can expect is for them to hit you back. This is part of the risk you assume. The other part of the risk is that if and when they do hit back, they're going to hit you harder. If you're not prepared to get hit back, then you shouldn't raise your fists in the first place.

I started this thread because I had assumed that people would have picked up on the same things I noticed:
1. She hits him unprovoked, and immediately proceeds to claim self defense. I had hoped people would have picked up on the uglier side of the rationalization hamster.
2. After he hit her, she didn't make a sound until she saw her kids, at which point, she turned on the tears and moaning for maximum effect, looking for the sympathy vote from the kids.

[kbell]

Its not always that simple to see if some is mental unstable either. They can hide it well sometimes.

[j r]

(06-07-2012 08:07 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

I started this thread because I had assumed that people would have picked up on the same things I noticed:
1. She hits him unprovoked, and immediately proceeds to claim self defense. I had hoped people would have picked up on the uglier side of the rationalization hamster.
2. After he hit her, she didn't make a sound until she saw her kids, at which point, she turned on the tears and moaning for maximum effect, looking for the sympathy vote from the kids.

OK, so you assumed that people would agree with you and now you see that not everybody does. Why is that such a big deal? I think that guy was out of line, should have handled himself differently, and I have no sympathy for him. We can agree to disagree.

[porscheguy]

So you didn't see the hamster after she hit him first, and immediately claimed self defense? That's all I'm asking in this question.

Did you not notice the delay of about 3 or 4 seconds between him hitting her, and her beginning to cry? Again, that's all I'm asking in this question.