[EU Explorer]

(07-04-2012 02:41 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 09:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

That romantization ends up when they finally visit England and see the real everyday english/british people..

Yep we are all ugly, uncouth, football hooligans over here with heavy drinking habits, tatoos and British bulldog t shirts

[Julius_Cesar]

(07-04-2012 03:06 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 02:41 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 09:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

That romantization ends up when they finally visit England and see the real everyday english/british people..

Yep we are all ugly, uncouth, football hooligans over here with heavy drinking habits, tatoos and British bulldog t shirts

Not really, the stereotypes always an exaggeration of reality, but when I go to england or anywhere in the UK (Ireland included) I see far less goodlooking girls and also way more fatties than among continental europeans/scandinavians. And Im not comparing Britian with eastern europe/ FSU , but also with other continental europeans like Denmark, netherlands, belgium, france, etc where pretty girls are found everywhere but they are a rare sight among the british.

[Julius_Cesar]

(07-04-2012 02:58 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 02:41 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 09:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

That romantization ends up when they finally visit England and see the real everyday english/british people..

Not really Caesar, that's why there's a big Swedish expat population in London

Because they are in love with london, their accent and culture (call it greatness) more with the english people(or british for that matters) individually or collectively speaking neither with britain/england as a whole.
Its the same with people who dream visiting paris for some reason but they are not in love with the whole french people or france as a whole, just paris becuase the only meaning of that word is for them some sort of idealization.

Thats why nearly every swede who romantize britain (london in specific) are nearly always the women , whom are more prone to fall for superficial things such as accent or some supposed fake charm.

[Deb Auchery]

(07-04-2012 04:39 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 02:58 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 02:41 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 09:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

That romantization ends up when they finally visit England and see the real everyday english/british people..

Not really Caesar, that's why there's a big Swedish expat population in London

Because they are in love with london, their accent and culture (call it greatness) more with the english people(or british for that matters) individually or collectively speaking neither with britain/england as a whole.
Its the same with people who dream visiting paris for some reason but they are not in love with the whole french people or france as a whole, just paris becuase the only meaning of that word is for them some sort of idealization.

Thats why nearly every swede who romantize britain (london in specific) are nearly always the women , whom are more prone to fall for superficial things such as accent or some supposed fake charm.

Hey man

Just to let you know, your apparent hero is Julius Caesar and not Julius Cesar.

Peace

[naughtynomad]

@Vicious: You'll have to join us on a Stockholm Seige so... Argh!

[trainwreck]

(07-04-2012 10:30 PM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

@Vicious: You'll have to join us on a Stockholm Seige so... Argh!

when will you be around? Should be there in a week

[Beachsidejarl]

Vicious is right to point out that seemingly half the forum is an armchair expert on Sweden and the social vibe here. And of course, very few are.

I would say Sweden has a quite complicated social culture, and people who stay here for only 2-3 weeks get a very false sense of how the country is.

We are in some sense the world's least nationalistic people and the world's most nationalistic people(but dressed-up in progressivism) at the same time. It's hard to explain, but yes, a girl in Sweden will be so friendly to strangers it is bordering on Xenophilia and/or Oikophobia. However, she(I'm talking about the good AND hot girls now, not the cokeheads trawling the nights with a fake tan and fake tits) also has really high standards.

A Swedish woman is much less likely to accept you being unemployed, not helping out in the home, not taking time off work to spend time alone with the new-born children(if you two have any). She also expects tons of other things, and it's subtle. It's not like she snaps it in your face like a stereotypical Italian woman might do. Swedish women have their own definition of what it means to be a man. And a lot of folks delude themselves that they all want these dark, husky men from other parts of the world. Nah, they don't sit up dreaming about you. They probably don't even think about you in their everyday life. But if you'd come here, you can bet your ass that they would not discriminate against you and treat you fairly and evenly.

Again, race is a very insignificant thing in Sweden. But for longer flings, romances etc, being a white guy helps a lot with the 'good girls' if we put it that way. HB10 kind of girls in Sweden, as many have pointed out, have a surprisingly large amount of non-sluts in their population and many of them are sweet. But those girls also tend to be more conservative in their partner pickings, and that's why I said white guys(North European types) from North America or Australia have an advantage. Same with Dutch guys.
Of course, if all you are after is quick sex, then what I just said doesn't matter. But even those girls tend to hop less into the sack. If you take the infamous 'sex trips', and I have been one a few when I was younger(and fitter) the kind of guys they mostly screw around with, I'm talking about the really hot babes, tend to be other Scandinavian tourists or North Europeans.

Having said that, we identify with Anglo-Saxon culture generally. So it's true that an English guy wouldn't have problems but I would also say that English guys don't have any specific advantage the way an American guy have. Canada is also sort of in there with England. It's not seen as that cool. Australia is much cooler by contrast. We like English football and the like. I'd say an English guy probably has a higher chance in the sense that he can get into social circles with influential Swedish guys, who can then introduce him to the pearls. Swedish guys follow the Premier League more than their own national football league. English music, culture etc is also huge. Lots of ex-pat Swedes studied or worked or now lives in London.
There is a general cultural reference there. I wouldn't say it makes you more 'sexy', but it makes you more viable for long-term relationships, for sure.

But most of what I've said now is for a specific kind of Swedish girl and for longer-term flings and/or relationships. Just casual and mindless fun is likely to attract a different, more generic kind of girl. She may be hotter in Sweden, but you've met her incarnation all across the world. And for that, generic game rules is all you need. But if you want to snag a Swedish tenner, who's also smart, sweet and all the rest, it's actually kind of hard for foreigners who are non-North European in their origin. Of course, it happens and it can happen. But it's rare. It's not like these girls are racist, it's just that you need a very high progressive value system. So progressive, secular and educated white guys coming from NYC or London have a very natural advantage here. Sleazy rappers, eh, don't.

[Greek kamaki]

Yes,swedish women clearly prefer the Anglosaxons.There is a mingle between these folks.I do not know what Germans can achieve in Sweden.For sure there is a friction with us Balkans you feel it very much in Denmark.The general consesus and vibe is against so we have to rely solely on looks.

[Julius_Cesar]

(07-05-2012 06:26 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Yes,swedish women clearly prefer the Anglosaxons.There is a mingle between these folks.I do not know what Germans can achieve in Sweden.For sure there is a friction with us Balkans you feel it very much in Denmark.The general consesus and vibe is against so we have to rely solely on looks.

There isnt really an anglosaxon looks imo, in fact more than a few of the wrongly called anglosaxons could pass for latins/southern europeans. To name a few:
Tom jones, sean connery, catherine zeta jones, rowan atkinson, gallagher brothers, beatles members, cheryl cole, victoria beckham, etc.
For example australian hugh jackman could easily pass for italian.

The real origin of most brits and their descendants is,native brythonic, with some few celtic, and germanic thrown in it.

I dont see how scandinavians can relate themselves to fake anglosaxons, since they are more related to half of europe before them.

[Julius_Cesar]

(06-06-2012 01:11 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I am absolutely pining for a big breasted Swede girl right now after so long in Eastern Europe with very few blondes around. Summer is supposed to be great there.

My experience of the girls is generally good, had some results back in Thailand 2003, 2004, and 2006. Some lays, but also some childish dick teases. I think my style works well with them, Southern European dark looks, coupled with my Queen's English accent. Also had results in London, they love English guys.


Never been to Sweden though, think I will wait till Thailand in Autumn and fill my boots with Swedes then. They are even drunker and sluttier on holiday.

I think game will work well on Swedes, good luck

You must have been in bulgaria, romania or serbia. Isnt it?

[Global Baller]

(07-05-2012 05:57 AM)Beachsidejarl Wrote:  

Again, race is a very insignificant thing in Sweden.

But, if you want to snag a Swedish tenner, who's also smart, sweet and all the rest, it's actually kind of hard for foreigners who are non-North European in their origin. Of course, it happens and it can happen. But it's rare. It's not like these girls are racist, it's just that you need a very high progressive value system. So progressive, secular and educated white guys coming from NYC or London have a very natural advantage here. Sleazy rappers, eh, don't.

I've been rollin' thru Sverige for many, many yrs., so there's not much you can tell me about the country, the culture, the women, ect. I do agree with a lot of what you've written -- but, not all.

I'm a globetrotting Afr-Am guy, and I consider myself hyper-progressive. As a matter of fact, Pres. Obama is to moderate for me (but, I'll vote to re-elect him in Nov. cause the alternative is beyond atrocious.) I'm on the same level of progressiveness with the majority of Swedish femmes, than I am with the women of any other country -- including the US.

BTW, your line about sleazy rappers has me a little confused. What are you trying to say??? There are many, many fans of hip-hop/rap...as well as R&B, reggae & jazz music in Sverige. I've attached clips of hip-hop artists Jay-Z & Kanye West's 'Watch the Throne' recent concert in Stockholm (Ericsson Globen). I see/hear about 16,000 excited Swedish hip-hop fans enjoying the concert :

http://youtu.be/Aow6p23kXP8

http://youtu.be/mJpoQ29GX8k

http://youtu.be/hiXzNzUKpAA

http://youtu.be/fShOEoBrJuU

http://youtu.be/a87idHtxfq4

[Laner]

I think he meant to generalize (and focus on the highest quality of Swedish women).

I found hip hop to be quite popular in Sweden. I seen Cuninglinguists/ Dilated Peoples, Looptroop and Timbuktu rip up some good crowds.

But I also know that there is a certain mistrust toward the black guys that sport an American hood look. Most of the guys that sport this look are not American however, but African.

Among certain groups of Swedes being a smooth black cat would be irresistible. Among others not. Same Same.

[Beachsidejarl]

Again, self-proclaimed experts on Sweden emerge.

And again they show little to no understanding of the country.

My post above basically demolishes the responses that has followed it and came before it. Look for it for reference. Global Baller, however, is a special case. He has deep-seated racial complexes about whites in general and white women in particular. Just watch the list of his created threads. He has this intrinsic need to impress white people and white women in general.

It doesn't say much about Sweden, Swedish girls or white girls in general. So you're not going to get very informed by reading his rambling racial rants.
They say much more about his own struggle with his racial demons and insecurities.

There is a minority of black men who are obsessed with white women and are desperate to be accepted by them, and by whites in general. These folks are not mentally healthy and take them seriously at your own peril.

[Screwston]

(07-04-2012 04:59 AM)Beachsidejarl Wrote:  

The exotic factor is being reduced for brown people in general, due to influx of brown Middle Eastern folks. But if you're black you still stand out - a lot.

Please don't tell me this guy wouldn't have some sort of exotic appeal over there. I don't know how the hell someone could mistake him for being Middle Eastern

[Global Baller]

(07-06-2012 02:02 AM)Beachsidejarl Wrote:  

Global Baller, however, is a special case. He has deep-seated racial complexes about whites in general and white women in particular. Just watch the list of his created threads. He has this intrinsic need to impress white people and white women in general. It doesn't say much about Sweden, Swedish girls or white girls in general. So you're not going to get very informed by reading his rambling racial rants. They say much more about his own struggle with his racial demons and insecurities. There is a minority of black men who are obsessed with white women and are desperate to be accepted by them, and by whites in general. These folks are not mentally healthy and take them seriously at your own peril.

You're spazzin'! I've been to Sverige before you were born. I not going respond to your juvenile rants, except to state that your info is about as useful to me as a bowl of urine.

[Hanzal]

(07-05-2012 05:57 AM)Beachsidejarl Wrote:  

But most of what I've said now is for a specific kind of Swedish girl and for longer-term flings and/or relationships. Just casual and mindless fun is likely to attract a different, more generic kind of girl. She may be hotter in Sweden, but you've met her incarnation all across the world. And for that, generic game rules is all you need. But if you want to snag a Swedish tenner, who's also smart, sweet and all the rest, it's actually kind of hard for foreigners who are non-North European in their origin. Of course, it happens and it can happen. But it's rare. It's not like these girls are racist, it's just that you need a very high progressive value system. So progressive, secular and educated white guys coming from NYC or London have a very natural advantage here. Sleazy rappers, eh, don't.

Yeah, this is the same everywhere. The upper tier girls (really good looking, those that come from elite/wealthy/highly educated/etc families) will usually go for the upper tier guys from their own country/culture. The regular white dude who goes to Thailand and bangs broads isn't banging/having relationships with the upper tier either.

[kosko]

Eaxtly it isn't ground breaking news. Evrey country the top crust females will act like this and prefer these type of Northern Euro Men... Its just the way the cookie crumbles. I have never been to Sweden but have a good Swede friend and have come across them Swede girls now and then from them traveling. I find they do tend to be open and nice to brothers as we share alot of the same interests, especially hip-hop. Sweden is a big spot for underground hip-hop and I was cutting deals with music and clothing shops there back in like 05' these types of interactions is what sold me on Sweden being a pleasant place I may want to live. This fourm has sour'd me on that view though lol but I do plan one day to make a trek out thier to see what its all about.

I feel most kats whom have only had experience with rag tag brothers from the bushes of Africa whom act like goonies, or American hood clowns will have a odd and unfavorable view of Black men in general. For the majority of us whom are clean cut and progressive I find it hard to belie that me going to a place where I would stick out like spilled paint on a driveway would not give me some slight advantage simply because I stick out. For the people whom don;t see it like that then they maybe have never put them selves in that position. My white Ukraine homie hits the soca/reggae bars more than I do.. I can't pull in those spots but he sticks out like a polar bear and never leaves the club empty handed. Gotta play your angles how you can

Beachsidejarl post sounds like a kat whoms only experiences with a black man is at a African attendant gas station.

[rudebwoy]

(07-06-2012 07:25 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Eaxtly it isn't ground breaking news. Evrey country the top crust females will act like this and prefer these type of Northern Euro Men... Its just the way the cookie crumbles. I have never been to Sweden but have a good Swede friend and have come across them Swede girls now and then from them traveling. I find they do tend to be open and nice to brothers as we share alot of the same interests, especially hip-hop. Sweden is a big spot for underground hip-hop and I was cutting deals with music and clothing shops there back in like 05' these types of interactions is what sold me on Sweden being a pleasant place I may want to live. This fourm has sour'd me on that view though lol but I do plan one day to make a trek out thier to see what its all about.

I feel most kats whom have only had experience with rag tag brothers from the bushes of Africa whom act like goonies, or American hood clowns will have a odd and unfavorable view of Black men in general. For the majority of us whom are clean cut and progressive I find it hard to belie that me going to a place where I would stick out like spilled paint on a driveway would not give me some slight advantage simply because I stick out. For the people whom don;t see it like that then they maybe have never put them selves in that position. My white Ukraine homie hits the soca/reggae bars more than I do.. I can't pull in those spots but he sticks out like a polar bear and never leaves the club empty handed. Gotta play your angles how you can

Beachsidejarl post sounds like a kat whoms only experiences with a black man is at a African attendant gas station.

I don't want to get into another thread similar to "black guys kill" but I would HIGHLY recommend you visit Sweden, it is a special place.
All I will say I am black and have been there three times, now would I go there so many times if it were not decent?
To me it is the complete opposite of Toronto, so that should tell you everything you need to know.

[Julius_Cesar]

(06-07-2012 01:30 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

I'm interested to find out how it is. Most Sweedish girls I've met in the states have been pretty ugly. The ones I did think looked good were of Arab decent. I'm also not a big fan of white girls though.

As for the pics...

1. 8 1/2. This is the type of blonde look I really like
2. 6 1/2, 5 (Though she has nice eyes), 4
3. 6, 7, 4

The blonde of the first pic is dyed, look at the roots!
A lot of swedish females are fake blond and a bit trashy i think they are following paris hilton style or something.

[Greek kamaki]

I am not sure why swedish women like so much the English guys and Swedish guys kill it with English women.There seems to be a lot of affinity between these two folks.I did the experiment to tell Swedish girls that I come from London and their reactions were way more positive than when I told them I come from Greece.As an English guy you are immediately in.

[EU Explorer]

(07-07-2012 03:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I am not sure why swedish women like so much the English guys and Swedish guys kill it with English women.There seems to be a lot of affinity between these two folks.I did the experiment to tell Swedish girls that I come from London and their reactions were way more positive than when I told them I come from Greece.As an English guy you are immediately in.

Well its good to hear one nation on the planet actually likes us English men . From my experience the Norweigans, Swedes, Poles and Germans seem to like UK people the most.

[Beachsidejarl]

(07-06-2012 06:01 PM)Hanzal Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 05:57 AM)Beachsidejarl Wrote:  

But most of what I've said now is for a specific kind of Swedish girl and for longer-term flings and/or relationships. Just casual and mindless fun is likely to attract a different, more generic kind of girl. She may be hotter in Sweden, but you've met her incarnation all across the world. And for that, generic game rules is all you need. But if you want to snag a Swedish tenner, who's also smart, sweet and all the rest, it's actually kind of hard for foreigners who are non-North European in their origin. Of course, it happens and it can happen. But it's rare. It's not like these girls are racist, it's just that you need a very high progressive value system. So progressive, secular and educated white guys coming from NYC or London have a very natural advantage here. Sleazy rappers, eh, don't.

Yeah, this is the same everywhere. The upper tier girls (really good looking, those that come from elite/wealthy/highly educated/etc families) will usually go for the upper tier guys from their own country/culture. The regular white dude who goes to Thailand and bangs broads isn't banging/having relationships with the upper tier either.

Yep, you got it.
I just find it amusing of the tremendous amounts of generalizations and rationalizations some people make.

Sweden has a very specific culture, unlike many countries in the world, and it's a culture which as I said is at once the most nationalistic in the world and the least nationalistic in the world - at the same time.

It's hard to explain but it's not a coincidence that both me, Vicious and other Swedes in this thread and other Sweden-related threads have sighed at the amount of clueless armchair amateurs who profess to know everything about Sweden. Clearly, they don't. It's enough for any Swede with enough working digits to figure out after reading some hilarious posts here.

[solo]

(07-07-2012 03:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I am not sure why swedish women like so much the English guys

This is because Swedish girls (and men also btw) like to show off their skills in the English language. Also, the heavy anglophilic cultural exposure. Swedish people (like people from most countries) like it very much when Sweden is given attention by foreign people.

[Vicious]

(07-08-2012 01:58 PM)solo Wrote:  

(07-07-2012 03:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I am not sure why swedish women like so much the English guys

This is because Swedish girls (and men also btw) like to show off their skills in the English language. Also, the heavy anglophilic cultural exposure. Swedish people (like people from most countries) like it very much when Sweden is given attention by foreign people.

The fact that so many people here have encountered Swedes when travelling should give you a clue. Sweden are among the countries whose people travel the most in the world. I guess you could keep claiming that this travel is from a desire to "show off", but a general interest in other nations and cultures would be a far more plausible reason.

[solo]

Well, first of all I don't think English guys "kill" in Sweden but on average a Swedish girl is more likely to be interested in conversing with an English-speaking guy than with a guy from let's say Asia, Africa or Latin America. I think the ability to make herself understood in his native language is a factor in this, as is the the fact that Swedes are more accostumed to anglosphere culture. It's not really an important question whether she wants to show off or not, but that is just something that I have sensed.