[solo]

(06-08-2012 08:17 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  

(06-08-2012 07:16 AM)solo Wrote:  

Seven girls a year is very good in any country I would say. I have not seen any southern Europeans slaying it here though.

lol, I'm on 12 girls for this year already and I'm quite sure this isn't even a high number for most guys with good game

Chochemonger1 said the seven girls in one year was pregame, so that's a very high number. Personally I don't think I've never gone higher than 3 in one year.
Maybe I was wrong on the Southern Europeans thing but I ws just reporting on what I have seen, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Obviously most guys would be very satisfied with 12+ a year, game or no game.

It's interesting Roosh doesn't rate Swedish girls slightly higher. I'm the first one to say they're definately overhyped (probably has something to do with he fact that Sweden was one of the first countries to produce porn movies in the 60's and 70's).
In countries that I rate higher than Sweden, like Colombia and Argentina, Spanish is pretty much a must, though. In Sweden English is just fine as others have already said.

I've never been to the US, but I think social dynamics are very different in Europe. Here it is much more social circle based and in many countries it is not common to speak to foreigners. The Welfare State, media, feminism and other factors play a part in making a guy's looks relatively more important than in other countries IMO. The times I have had very good successes coincide with when I feel my looks have peaked. Then again, that might just have made me more confident so it's difficult to pin-point the real factor.

[Roosh]

Here's a breakdown for Sweden...

The Good:

1. The girls (and guys) absolutely love Americans. I haven't seen anything like it. I feel like half of the Swedes I've met have stayed in the US for a while and even those who lived in some bumfuck place like Ohio or Arkansas have warm thoughts about our country. The moment they find out I'm from the USA, their eyes light up and they start asking me a bunch of questions.

Of course I play up the angle by talking about Apple, McDonalds, Starbucks, hamburgers, and pizza. I've been to a lot of places, but I think Swedes are tops in liking the USA. There was a thread on the forum where a black guy said Swedish girls love American brothers. He was half right: Swedes love Americans, period.



2. The girls are friendly. You get some rudeness occasionally from anti-social girls but by and far most of my interactions have been extremely pleasant. The girls are not militant feminists like in Denmark. I'm not getting shit tested or otherwise having interactions that left me bitter or angry. I got a similar vibe from Finnish girls as well.

The Bad:

1. Expensive. It's not as expensive as Denmark, but almost so. I don't want to look at my online banking because of the absurd amounts of money I'm dropping for not really doing anything.

2. The average quality is very low. Don't let Swedish Bikini Team fool you. The typical Swedish girl is overweight, doesn't know how to dress, masculine (not as bad as Danish girls though), doesn't know how to flirt, and has a strong man jaw. They are tatted and pierced. I feel bad hating on them since they really are nice, but this is what it is.

You have the top tier which is very pretty but inaccessible, the occasional 7 who is surrounded by her beta orbiters, and then a whole bunch of frumpy and dumpy chicks rated 6 and below who think it's cool to wear Converse day or night. The Converse shoes really are annoying me, since girls wear it with any type of outfit. Up to 50% of girls in a bar will have these on.

3. The nightlife logistics are among the worst I've seen. It may be worse than Argentina and Colombia. You have tons of bars where people sit down in their groups and then you have snobby and expensive clubs where everywhere seems to know each other. Social circle is king in Sweden so no matter where a girl is, she will know at least five people in the club, mostly guys. The guys won't directly block you but they take up the girls' attention.

4. Day game is average. Not easier than anywhere else and typical for Scandinavia, though it's often better than night game. While you're still dealing with typical Scandinavian shyness, being American propels you over the hump to to get day numbers.

My true feelings about a country usually come after I get the flag. In Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, and even Finland, I still went out hard after capturing the flag to see what else I could snag, but in Sweden I was ready to hang it up and just dive back into work.

Besides casual day gaming, I didn't care for spending boatloads of money to deal with average girls in clubs where everyone knows each other. Iceland and Finland were better in that respect. In the end, the hype surrounding Sweden was totally unwarranted. Finland was better, in both quality and ease of banging.

I guess there is a reason why you see so many Swedish guys in South America trying to get with the girls there.

[Vicious]

I pretty much went over all of the above with Roosh when we had drinks during his stay in Gothenburg and I agree with his assessment for the most parts (though as I mentioned at the time I think coming directly from the Baltic/FSU made the comparison somewhat skewed).

I wanted Roosh to come to Swe to crack the code, but he has pretty much confirmed what I've already experienced. If you don't have the connect within a certain area, it's a grind.

Compare Roosh's experience to Laner's however and it might leave you confused. Laner did have that golden ticket however, the social circle (the groups organized around the Lund uni). I can't stress enough how much this changes things. So I don't recommend coming here for a short stay, and definitely not in anything but spring/summer. For studying or part of some work venture or similar however...

Btw Roosh, what was your final notch count for Swe?

[Roosh]

Quote:

Btw Roosh, what was your final notch count for Swe?

Only 2. I was there for 3 weeks.

I'm not trying to make it seem like you can't pull at night, but you have to move your ass and deal with a lot of issues. It was a grind.

Out of all Scandinavian countries, social circle played biggest in Sweden.

[Greek kamaki]

Swedish women are highly approachable whether in daygame or nightgame.The problem is that they play games as well.

[Deb Auchery]

(06-30-2012 01:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Swedish women are highly approachable whether in daygame or nightgame.The problem is that they play games as well.

Yes I experienced this in Thailand, they are very childish. You get them back to your place and you think it's a done deal, not always the case

[keepreal]

I was in Stockholm last year, I noticed a lot seriously hot young 25-35yr MILFs, not so many younger girls. It is weird in Stockholm and Oslo, many of the young people seems to be mostly nocturnal, a lot less young people at day time at center.

[keepreal]

Swedish girls in the clubs I went were average, except few really hot ones.

[Greek kamaki]

I remember a conversation I had with a hot tall swedish girl in a club when I visited Sweden for four days:
-Would you like to go to my hotel?It is very close.
-I am sorry.Tomorrow I am getting engaged.
-Is your boyfriend here in the club?
-Yes.
-Do not worry.I am not going to take him to the hotel as well.
-But I do not want to hurt him.He will feel very bad.
-But he will entertain himself in the club.
-I am sorry I cannot do that.
-We will be back in two hours and you will meet him again.
-Do you like tall blonde girls?
-Yes,they are good.
-Then you should move to stay here in Sweden.
-Good idea.

[rudebwoy]

Roosh - Did you go to Stockholm?

[thegmanifesto]

Roosh -

Can we get a Scandanavian country ranking from you like you did with the Baltics?

1, 2, 3 etc

[Bronan the Barbarian!]

Roosh - I'm surprised to read that you thought the quality was so low. Maybe it's because my ideal girl is blonde with blue eyes, but when I visited I thought the quality of girls in Sweden was astounding. Most girls were thin, nice tits, cute faces, etc. Their fashion did suck horribly though (what the fuck is with the rampant mom jeans?), so maybe you're subtracting points there. Stockholm seemed to have lower quality girls than Malmo or Gothenburg on the whole as well.

[Julius_Cesar]

(07-02-2012 12:56 PM)Bronan the Barbarian! Wrote:  

Roosh - I'm surprised to read that you thought the quality was so low. Maybe it's because my ideal girl is blonde with blue eyes, but when I visited I thought the quality of girls in Sweden was astounding. Most girls were thin, nice tits, cute faces, etc. Their fashion did suck horribly though (what the fuck is with the rampant mom jeans?), so maybe you're subtracting points there. Stockholm seemed to have lower quality girls than Malmo or Gothenburg on the whole as well.

I have the same beauty ideal than you, I dont get how someone could put poland above sweden. Maybe look more for girls in rural areas if you want to avoid the shitty fashion going on there.

[Greek kamaki]

If you see them in bikini on beach without actually meeting them you would go for the swedish girls.

[Roosh]

Bronan: when was the last time you were in Sweden?

[chochemonger1]

(07-02-2012 12:56 PM)Bronan the Barbarian! Wrote:  

Roosh - I'm surprised to read that you thought the quality was so low. Maybe it's because my ideal girl is blonde with blue eyes, but when I visited I thought the quality of girls in Sweden was astounding. Most girls were thin, nice tits, cute faces, etc. Their fashion did suck horribly though (what the fuck is with the rampant mom jeans?), so maybe you're subtracting points there. Stockholm seemed to have lower quality girls than Malmo or Gothenburg on the whole as well.

10 to 15 yrs ago when I was young and inexperienced traveling throughout Europe, Swedish girls were considered the top. Haven't been back since, but I can see how things might have changed to knock them back to the middle of the pack. The opening up of Eastern Europe and the FSU was one of the main reasons.

[Beachsidejarl]

Roosh Wrote:

There was a thread on the forum where a black guy said Swedish girls love American brothers. He was half right: Swedes love Americans, period.

Yes, this is correct. As someone else said before, Sweden is the most pro-American (culturally speaking) country aside from America itself.
And blacks are glorified in pop culture(hiphop, r'n'b, sports stars, actors etc).
So an American black with game gets three huge advantages:
1. He's an American. Which is the biggest plus.
2. He's black and seen as top-of-the-pile of the pop culture in America, which also means Sweden.
3. He's foreign. The exotic factor is being reduced for brown people in general, due to influx of brown Middle Eastern folks. But if you're black you still stand out - a lot.

So you begin with three huge passive advantages which are not easy to replicate. Swedes in general are very liberal, open and tolerant etc. So race isn't a big deal.

But as someone said before, a short fling is different from a relationship. Swedish girls may give you a ONS/SNL or two. But if you stay here longer, as Laner did, you start to understand that it's much harder to get into the right kind of cliques.

Contrary to popular perceptions from some black guys on this board, white guys don't really have problems coming here. Australian or American white guys are loved. And they are seen as much more legit relationship material in general than black guys, including American ones. Of course, if you got game enough and charm enough you can always get a Swedish girl into a relationship. But this is generally speaking. There is also a bit of a cultural shift here. Girls 25 and up are more liberal in my opinion, they were growing up when political correctness was much stronger. Younger girls aren't racists or like that but your foreignness in general won't impress them that much, especially in Stockholm which is already immigrantheavy. ONS/SNL is still more than possible with these girls, but prolonged flings and/or outright relationships is harder.

The reason why I think American/Australian guys fail is because I do think many of them simply don't play up their foreign status enough. They see lots of white girls and game as if they are home, and that fails. And also, if we are frank, lots of white guys in America wouldn't be considered white in Sweden where there is a distinction between someone from Southern Europe and Northern Europe. Truly white guys/north european white guys, coming from America have zero problems whatsoever with Swedish girls. Same with Australia etc.

But yes, Sweden is very liberal sexually. So it's a pretty place to score once or twice with a few random girls if you know your shit. But if you plan on staying here longer it'll be a bit harder for you, as social circles are huge in Sweden. People don't talk to strangers here generally, so that's also why daygame is very effective because you truly stand out as a daygamer.

[naughtynomad]

That's it, next week I'm booking my flights over to see what all the fuss is about.

[Vicious]

(07-04-2012 05:12 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

That's it, next week I'm booking my flights over to see what all the fuss is about.

You'll have to hit me up then or I'm calling Interpol! ;-)

[Julius_Cesar]

(07-04-2012 04:59 AM)Beachsidejarl Wrote:  

Yes, this is correct. As someone else said before, Sweden is the most pro-American (culturally speaking) country aside from America itself.
And blacks are glorified in pop culture(hiphop, r'n'b, sports stars, actors etc).
So an American black with game gets three huge advantages:
1. He's an American. Which is the biggest plus.
2. He's black and seen as top-of-the-pile of the pop culture in America, which also means Sweden.
3. He's foreign. The exotic factor is being reduced for brown people in general, due to influx of brown Middle Eastern folks. But if you're black you still stand out - a lot.

So you begin with three huge passive advantages which are not easy to replicate. Swedes in general are very liberal, open and tolerant etc. So race isn't a big deal.

But as someone said before, a short fling is different from a relationship. Swedish girls may give you a ONS/SNL or two. But if you stay here longer, as Laner did, you start to understand that it's much harder to get into the right kind of cliques.

Contrary to popular perceptions from some black guys on this board, white guys don't really have problems coming here. Australian or American white guys are loved. And they are seen as much more legit relationship material in general than black guys, including American ones. Of course, if you got game enough and charm enough you can always get a Swedish girl into a relationship. But this is generally speaking. There is also a bit of a cultural shift here. Girls 25 and up are more liberal in my opinion, they were growing up when political correctness was much stronger. Younger girls aren't racists or like that but your foreignness in general won't impress them that much, especially in Stockholm which is already immigrantheavy. ONS/SNL is still more than possible with these girls, but prolonged flings and/or outright relationships is harder.

The reason why I think American/Australian guys fail is because I do think many of them simply don't play up their foreign status enough. They see lots of white girls and game as if they are home, and that fails. And also, if we are frank, lots of white guys in America wouldn't be considered white in Sweden where there is a distinction between someone from Southern Europe and Northern Europe. Truly white guys/north european white guys, coming from America have zero problems whatsoever with Swedish girls. Same with Australia etc.

But yes, Sweden is very liberal sexually. So it's a pretty place to score once or twice with a few random girls if you know your shit. But if you plan on staying here longer it'll be a bit harder for you, as social circles are huge in Sweden. People don't talk to strangers here generally, so that's also why daygame is very effective because you truly stand out as a daygamer.

I do agree, white americans on average look dark and "ethnic" compared to northern (or even central) europeans.

BUt hey even british/Irish people stand out in sweden, since brits and irish have usually non-germanic facial features (more brythonic and preceltic ones), and are shorter and much darker haired/eyed as a whole.

[Deb Auchery]

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

[Bronan the Barbarian!]

(07-03-2012 09:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Bronan: when was the last time you were in Sweden?

It was almost exactly a year ago. Early June of 2011.

[trainwreck]

All this fuss about Swedes love X guys and Swedes love Y guys is quite stupid.

To be honest, Swedes love guys that

A) Aren't Swedish
B) Are not african, middle eastern or balkanese imigrants

[Julius_Cesar]

(07-04-2012 09:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

That romantization ends up when they finally visit England and see the real everyday english/british people..

[Deb Auchery]

(07-04-2012 02:41 PM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 09:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Swedes also love English guys, they they are obsessed with English culture, and the sophistication of London.

"Cool Britannia" seems to be sweeping through Europe at the moment, everywhere people have Union Jack clothes etc. Especially in Ukraine, flicking through VK profiles, huge amount of girls with Union Jack T-shirts, jewellery, Dr Martens, Jeans etc

That romantization ends up when they finally visit England and see the real everyday english/british people..

Not really Caesar, that's why there's a big Swedish expat population in London