[MikeCF]

(06-03-2012 01:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Ha! Can you imagine going on this forum in front of her? Turn that shit off!!You got no game. I'm going on there to tell your forum buddies about your game now take me to outback I have a coupon..The one near Wal-mart we need to stop there too.

My big 350lb "alpha" mechanic has to leave work at 5 because his wife gets nuts on him if he's late. I drunk text him at 2am to tell him about pussy.

Yep. I know guys you wouldn't look at sideways who live in terror of their wives.

Know guys bringing in millions in income every year who have to get permission before they can do anything.

Seen major ball breaker executives lose 6 inches of height by curling into a ball when the wife calls.

And the terror of the ex-wife is even worse.

I run shit with women and still find LTRs to be annoying as fuck.

Even if you have her on front street, you'll have to continually check her.

Grown woman, could be a lawyer or super professional, and you'll constantly have to discipline her.

Hell, one reason I left my ex (that most guys would flip over). Kept thinking, She's getting older but still requires constant discipline and game. I work harder and harder for less and less.

Even if your pimp hand is strong, you'll still have to use it.

Wouldn't you rather expend that energy elsewhere?

[alphaspiraton]

Guys, women are just a relief valve for your sperm and bodily fluids to shoot out of your boner. Don't hype them up to be anything more useful than that, like spending 365 days a year with them.

[rozayINTL]

(06-02-2012 07:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Another thing..Most girls get bored and are gonna need that vacation. What you say honey? Before we met you used to spend 5 hours a day on a " travel" forum? Let's look online for a cheap all-inclusive. You've been to the Dominican Republic right? what's it like? We should go.

Or the cruises....I live in Florida people here go on them all the time. Lets go on a cruise! Cozumel and Grand Cayman 7 days!

Yo e-mech do you think this shit is universal? Surely women in exotic foreign countries can't be quite as bad as these top notch broads we get in the states....

[Keyser Söze]

(06-03-2012 02:04 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 01:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Ha! Can you imagine going on this forum in front of her? Turn that shit off!!You got no game. I'm going on there to tell your forum buddies about your game now take me to outback I have a coupon..The one near Wal-mart we need to stop there too.

My big 350lb "alpha" mechanic has to leave work at 5 because his wife gets nuts on him if he's late. I drunk text him at 2am to tell him about pussy.

Yep. I know guys you wouldn't look at sideways who live in terror of their wives.

Know guys bringing in millions in income every year who have to get permission before they can do anything.

Seen major ball breaker executives lose 6 inches of height by curling into a ball when the wife calls.

And the terror of the ex-wife is even worse.

I run shit with women and still find LTRs to be annoying as fuck.

Even if you have her on front street, you'll have to continually check her.

Grown woman, could be a lawyer or super professional, and you'll constantly have to discipline her.

Hell, one reason I left my ex (that most guys would flip over). Kept thinking, She's getting older but still requires constant discipline and game. I work harder and harder for less and less.

Even if your pimp hand is strong, you'll still have to use it.

True dat, Sir Connery, tell it like it is:

[Timoteo]

(06-03-2012 05:43 PM)rozayINTL Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 07:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Another thing..Most girls get bored and are gonna need that vacation. What you say honey? Before we met you used to spend 5 hours a day on a " travel" forum? Let's look online for a cheap all-inclusive. You've been to the Dominican Republic right? what's it like? We should go.

Or the cruises....I live in Florida people here go on them all the time. Lets go on a cruise! Cozumel and Grand Cayman 7 days!

Yo e-mech do you think this shit is universal? Surely women in exotic foreign countries can't be quite as bad as these top notch broads we get in the states....

I do think the expectations of women in different parts of the world are different, but here's the thing. You have to make sure the expectations stay low. Women are very much like dogs. You give that motherfucker a dog biscuit today, they'll expect a dog biscuit pretty much everytime they see you go into the kitchen. They get used to certain things quickly. If you take a chick with low expectations and show her something different, she won't see it as a treat. She'll want that all the time.

[poutsara]

This is my dilemma. I haven't been in a legit long term relationship in years but I've come to an epiphany: I want kids some day. I want sons named for my father and uncles and I want them to see them before they die. I want grand kids named for me before I die. I don't think I would be good to raise kids on my own and I don't want a divorced single chick taking care of them.

Maybe I'm old school but that's how I am. Does anyone else think about this? What's the solution?

[garygroundwork]

(06-04-2012 01:31 AM)poutsara Wrote:  

This is my dilemma. I haven't been in a legit long term relationship in years but I've come to an epiphany: I want kids some day. I want sons named for my father and uncles and I want them to see them before they die. I want grand kids named for me before I die. I don't think I would be good to raise kids on my own and I don't want a divorced single chick taking care of them.

Maybe I'm old school but that's how I am. Does anyone else think about this? What's the solution?

I hear you. I would love to have a kid someday BUT i can never see myself in a LTR. The thought of hanging around with a girl for more than a few days does nothing for me.

Im 36 and never had a real serious relationship.

i also watch my friends with kids andit just looks like a fkn nightmare.

[Keyser Söze]

(06-03-2012 01:27 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 12:43 PM)Keyser Söze Wrote:  

Maybe. I'm 32. Not sure if marriage is right for me ever, since I have cheated on every single girlfriend I had whenever I was able.

I would have said absolutely not for LTRs too, but a Brazilian girl who I haven't even met yet has led to me randomly having LTR/marriage thoughts about her.

She contacted me out of the blue on Beautiful People almost 2 months ago, and after a few emails we talked on skype and ended up talking for over an hour, and have done so a couple of times a week since then. She is sweet, funny, a tv reporter, redhead, solid 8/10.
I did not tell her my birthday or my address. She took the initiative, got my bday from FB, found a shipping address from my business website, and sent me a nice gift based on a joke between us and a sweet letter, sent by express mail and timed to be delivered right on my birthday. She also sent me a modeling picture of her that was sexy but still classy (white shirt open though no nips showing, wearing black undies).

The whole thing was unexpected and has given me a nice high for the past couple of day leading to me smiling at random times.

/was that beta?


p.s. at a certain point, what is enough? what does a woman have to do or be to add to your life rather than detract from it?

You're having thoughts because it's so rare for a woman to behave this way. To take initiative in making contact. Hunting down your info because she wanted to do something nice for you. This is what a woman is supposed to be. This is what she's supposed to do, how she's supposed to make us feel. I've had a couple of them tell me they wanted to hear my voice - a German chick most recently. I have one in Peru that calls me a couple of times a month or so, and sends me little things in the mail. I have others that I videocall with, and have gotten some nice bikini pics from a couple of others. And yeah, I smile when I think about them or when one of them says or writes something nice. As men, we're so starved for that kind of treatment that we can't help but smile when a chick steps up.

It's not a coincidence that none of these women are american.

[Keyser Söze]

(06-03-2012 03:24 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

Guys, women are just a relief valve for your sperm and bodily fluids to shoot out of your boner. Don't hype them up to be anything more useful than that, like spending 365 days a year with them.

I've heard (and said myself) the whole women are cum dumpsters thing.

Except this isn't 100% true.

In my opinion this also reveals one of the single biggest downsides/dangers of game.

Once you have a few dozen or more notches (and assuming you target 18-26 year old women who drink and are open to one night stands), you will almost certainly develop a cynical view of women and their quality. You will know all about deception, callous behavior, etc. You will also tend to view women as annoying, since your selection is based almost entirely on attraction and perceived slutiness rather than shared interests of one kind or another.

Now, I am not saying any of the above isn't true.

However, there are women out there who are genuinely good people and have an understanding of how to give a man what he needs without trying to chop his balls off in return.

There are few of these women, and the deeper you get in game, the more difficult it will be for you to believe that some women aren't worthless sluts, and the more likely it will be that you forgo what might have been a satisfying LTR because your judgement is skewed.

[The Fantasist]

37 here and was married before for 5 years ( have a 7 year old daughter ) and not a chance in hell I would go down the aisle again. I have a great relationship with my ex,she was a great girl,stunning, and our split was amicable and fair but fuck me I disliked every moment of being hitched to her. As soon as I said "I do" I felt constricted and trapped. I'm not the kind of guy who cheats on my partner so I just felt that all my options were over ( my own fault for getting hitched ). I remember being in Minsk airport and two models were checking in on our flight to Prague and eye fucking me to death and I hated it because I knew that as long as I was married those options to bang were gone. My anger at myself for getting into that situation broke our marriage in the end.

I have a lot of married friends and I can't think of more then two of them who are genuinely very happy in their marriage. A lot of them are under the thumb of their wives and are not far short of terrified of disobeying them. I was out the other night with a mate who recieved calls and texts every 20 minutes from his wife checking up on him and asking him when he would be home. In the end he had to go home early as it was too much for him ( total pussy - he went home at midnight and his wife was angry so she went out clubbing with a friend and came home at 3am drunk. He just accepted this behaviour ).

Other mates of mine are just going through the motions of marriage and try not to do things with their partners if they can avoid it. They have nothing in common except their kids. They are leaving unhappy existences. They are the types you see in restaurants just sitting opposite each other in silence,no laughter or tenderness,just both wishing they were somewhere else but afraid to make the move. That is my idea of a hellish life.

No, I don't see the benefit of marriage. No matter how much I love a girl I would never again walk down the aisle,I always want an easy exit strategy and marriage takes that away. I think a lot of guys I know get married to a girl because they are afraid of not finding anyone better and just want to get someone,anyone, so they marry pretty much their first LTR. They always tell me how they envy my freedom to travel,go out on the town without someone hassling me to know where I am etc. And having been on both sides of the fence I know they are right to do so.

[Keyser Söze]

(06-04-2012 10:09 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

37 here and was married before for 5 years ( have a 7 year old daughter ) and not a chance in hell I would go down the aisle again. I have a great relationship with my ex,she was a great girl,stunning, and our split was amicable and fair but fuck me I disliked every moment of being hitched to her. As soon as I said "I do" I felt constricted and trapped. I'm not the kind of guy who cheats on my partner so I just felt that all my options were over ( my own fault for getting hitched ). I remember being in Minsk airport and two models were checking in on our flight to Prague and eye fucking me to death and I hated it because I knew that as long as I was married those options to bang were gone. My anger at myself for getting into that situation broke our marriage in the end.

I have a lot of married friends and I can't think of more then two of them who are genuinely very happy in their marriage. A lot of them are under the thumb of their wives and are not far short of terrified of disobeying them. I was out the other night with a mate who recieved calls and texts every 20 minutes from his wife checking up on him and asking him when he would be home. In the end he had to go home early as it was too much for him ( total pussy - he went home at midnight and his wife was angry so she went out clubbing with a friend and came home at 3am drunk. He just accepted this behaviour ).

Other mates of mine are just going through the motions of marriage and try not to do things with their partners if they can avoid it. They have nothing in common except their kids. They are leaving unhappy existences. They are the types you see in restaurants just sitting opposite each other in silence,no laughter or tenderness,just both wishing they were somewhere else but afraid to make the move. That is my idea of a hellish life.

No, I don't see the benefit of marriage. No matter how much I love a girl I would never again walk down the aisle,I always want an easy exit strategy and marriage takes that away. I think a lot of guys I know get married to a girl because they are afraid of not finding anyone better and just want to get someone,anyone, so they marry pretty much their first LTR. They always tell me how they envy my freedom to travel,go out on the town without someone hassling me to know where I am etc. And having been on both sides of the fence I know they are right to do so.

Care to elaborate on your two friends who are happy in their marriages?

I have a friend that loves his marriage, but he is married to a bisexual chick who doesn't want kids. If a Ukranian model eye fucks my buddy, then its threesome time.

I am wondering if I will be satisfied with one woman or will just cheat. I suppose if she is really good in bed, we spend enough time doing our own shit, have really good personality match, and she understands when I want to go off on my own or walk around the beach after smoking a joint, or head out on my boat with beer and buddies.

I do know some people who have good marriages, and some of the common traits are: enough money to not have to be stressed about paying for kids or other things, the husband is alpha, the woman is educated and has a job, career, or serious long term hobby and is also into fitness.

In terms of energy, I have seen the most success in couples where the woman actually puts forth at least 50% of the effort and takes initiative at times. Its kind of cool when you are with an intelligent woman who is capable of doing stuff like coming up with a plan to rock climb or take a 3 day break somewhere. I had a girlfriend from a small town in southern Spain and while she was beautiful and feminine she was just too damn deferential. She had no independence, she never put plans together, and getting her to express an opinion was like pulling teeth. Extremely boring.

[j r]

I am, but I want kids. I have a girl in mind. I think it will work out, but the key for me is that, if it doesn't, "oh well." More importantly she knows how I feel. I used to think that divorce was "not an option," but eff that, everything is an option. The idea of being 40 or 45 and newly single doesn't scare me at all. If I keep in shape and stay on my present financial track, it should be fairly easy to pick up women 10 or 15 years younger.

[ElJefe]

I'm a bit surprised these older players put such a negative spin on the whole marriage deal. If it was all that bad, no one would've gotten married, ever.

I understand it's not a "sweet" deal as it used to be, but here's a couple of obvious advantages I can imagine that are still more or less true about marriage.

1) Economic gain. Easiest way to save money while simultaneously increasing consumption and increasing net worth is marriage. You got two adults working together, under the same roof. You bring per head costs down. Cohabiting and married couples automatically have higher levels of consumption and savings.

2) If she takes care of the chow, or certain house chores, you have less to worry about than if you live alone. She saves you time and helps you increase your efficiency in that respect.

3) If you do go ahead and have children, they'll grow up happier and more secure with two adoring parents (even if these parents argue) than otherwise.

I'm not married, don't plan on it, but I surprised of the one-sided views without any criticism.

It's fair to say marriage isn't worth the advantages I listed, but it's not ALL bad. Too much negativity.

[el mechanico]

Just whatever you do don't mix money. NEVER NEVER NEVER mix money and bank accounts. How would you like getting sued for child support with your own cash? I have custody because I out gunned. Another note.. My relationships have fallen apart because I refuse to mix cash in the past.
No debit pin numbers. Nothing. Never.

[The Fantasist]

Marriages can work if you can sustain the sexual chemistry and excitement,I can't be turned on by the same pussy for year after year and hence will always search out new conquests. The fact is when I first met my wife I would have eaten soup out of her fanny but after 5 years I wouldn't even have kicked the thing without a shoe on my foot.

[worldwidetraveler]

I won't ever get married again. I felt the same as Vorkuta, trapped.

I really believe most guys stay married because of limited options. Men may have gotten married because of the romantic notions but they stay with their partners because of little options.

They let themselves get fat.
They are scared to get back into dating.
They are financially hurt without two income sources.
They have kids that keep them together.
They just work and go home.
They are afraid of being alone forever (fucking feminist bullshit).
They are afraid of getting ass raped in divorce.

Most people are lazy. They don't want change because change can be painful.

I was only married for a few years and that was too much. At one point, I was happier masturbating then having sex with the ex. I can only imagine what it would be like 10 or so years.

I have a couple of friends that cheat their asses off. I don't think they would stay married if they weren't worried about losing a lot of money in a divorce.

I just don't see the need for marriage.

[MikeCF]

(06-04-2012 11:06 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I'm a bit surprised these older players put such a negative spin on the whole marriage deal. If it was all that bad, no one would've gotten married, ever.

So you're not married, never been married, and not even old enough to have seen your crew of guys through 5-10 years of marriage and divorce.

Thanks for offering your unique insight.

Not.

[Parlay44]

It's funny ...I find that my friends' wives are always trying to introduce me or hook me up with their girlfriends.
Like they have an agenda to marry me or them off and have a tight little social circle. I guess it's a compliment.
Better than having them cockblock me and calling me a player. The trick is to keep your ho's away from your friends.

[Jarocho2003]

I have only lived with foreign women and so far I only have minor complains. I believe I have been more a problem than they have been as they have tolerated A LOT of things a western wife wouldn't. The only minus is not being able to find one that is bisexual and loves to share her girlfriends with me :-)

[The Fantasist]

(06-04-2012 02:37 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It's funny ...I find that my friends' wives are always trying to introduce me or hook me up with their girlfriends.
Like they have an agenda to marry me or them off and have a tight little social circle. I guess it's a compliment.
Better than having them cockblock me and calling me a player. The trick is to keep your ho's away from your friends.

+1

[Timoteo]

(06-04-2012 11:06 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I'm a bit surprised these older players put such a negative spin on the whole marriage deal. If it was all that bad, no one would've gotten married, ever.

I understand it's not a "sweet" deal as it used to be, but here's a couple of obvious advantages I can imagine that are still more or less true about marriage.

1) Economic gain. Easiest way to save money while simultaneously increasing consumption and increasing net worth is marriage. You got two adults working together, under the same roof. You bring per head costs down. Cohabiting and married couples automatically have higher levels of consumption and savings.

2) If she takes care of the chow, or certain house chores, you have less to worry about than if you live alone. She saves you time and helps you increase your efficiency in that respect.

3) If you do go ahead and have children, they'll grow up happier and more secure with two adoring parents (even if these parents argue) than otherwise.

I'm not married, don't plan on it, but I surprised of the one-sided views without any criticism.

It's fair to say marriage isn't worth the advantages I listed, but it's not ALL bad. Too much negativity.

You're breaking marriage down practically, and it rarely works that way. You're dealing with people and personalities - life doesn't work that way. What's the source of most problems with married couples? MONEY. Cooking? Chores? Women don't really do those things the way women of prior generations did. They either can't or won't cook for you before you're married, so you can forget about it once you put the ring on it. While it's true that children of two-parent homes have a greater chance of flourishing, more than half of marriages end in divorce, overwhelmingly initiated by women. So at some point, your kids aren't going to have that. I don't know that guys are being negative just for the sake of it. They're just discussing the reality.

[Timoteo]

(06-04-2012 06:42 AM)Keyser Söze Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 01:27 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 12:43 PM)Keyser Söze Wrote:  

Maybe. I'm 32. Not sure if marriage is right for me ever, since I have cheated on every single girlfriend I had whenever I was able.

I would have said absolutely not for LTRs too, but a Brazilian girl who I haven't even met yet has led to me randomly having LTR/marriage thoughts about her.

She contacted me out of the blue on Beautiful People almost 2 months ago, and after a few emails we talked on skype and ended up talking for over an hour, and have done so a couple of times a week since then. She is sweet, funny, a tv reporter, redhead, solid 8/10.
I did not tell her my birthday or my address. She took the initiative, got my bday from FB, found a shipping address from my business website, and sent me a nice gift based on a joke between us and a sweet letter, sent by express mail and timed to be delivered right on my birthday. She also sent me a modeling picture of her that was sexy but still classy (white shirt open though no nips showing, wearing black undies).

The whole thing was unexpected and has given me a nice high for the past couple of day leading to me smiling at random times.

/was that beta?


p.s. at a certain point, what is enough? what does a woman have to do or be to add to your life rather than detract from it?

You're having thoughts because it's so rare for a woman to behave this way. To take initiative in making contact. Hunting down your info because she wanted to do something nice for you. This is what a woman is supposed to be. This is what she's supposed to do, how she's supposed to make us feel. I've had a couple of them tell me they wanted to hear my voice - a German chick most recently. I have one in Peru that calls me a couple of times a month or so, and sends me little things in the mail. I have others that I videocall with, and have gotten some nice bikini pics from a couple of others. And yeah, I smile when I think about them or when one of them says or writes something nice. As men, we're so starved for that kind of treatment that we can't help but smile when a chick steps up.

It's not a coincidence that none of these women are american.

No, it isn't a coincidence. I find all of my interaction with foreign chicks to be far more pleasant than with the few American chicks I have online contact with. They possess a certain consideration and decency that is lacking in our women. They don't seem to be fixated on what they're getting, and they think more about giving and contributing to interaction. If they like you, they think it's important to show you.

[Timoteo]

(06-04-2012 02:37 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It's funny ...I find that my friends' wives are always trying to introduce me or hook me up with their girlfriends.
Like they have an agenda to marry me or them off and have a tight little social circle. I guess it's a compliment.
Better than having them cockblock me and calling me a player. The trick is to keep your ho's away from your friends.

It is a compliment in part. They want to see their girlfriends paired up with someone they think is a decent guy. The other part of it is they don't want their boyfriends/husbands around a decent, SINGLE guy. If all of the guys in the circle are locked down, there are no threats or supposedly bad influences. No one that can remind them of their single days and single ways.

[Timoteo]

"...I think a lot of guys I know get married to a girl because they are afraid of not finding anyone better and just want to get someone,anyone, so they marry pretty much their first LTR..."

I think these are all factors in guys getting married. Many men think marriage is something they're supposed to do, and don't question it. Once the career is in place, and they've dated and fucked around a bit, it's time to settle down. You're getting pressure from family, and guys that have already done it. Depending on what you do for a living, it may actually be beneficial to your move into the upper rungs of the corporate ladder. If it isn't the first LTR, it's the chick they happen to be with when they decide it's time.

[ElJefe]

(06-04-2012 02:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 11:06 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I'm a bit surprised these older players put such a negative spin on the whole marriage deal. If it was all that bad, no one would've gotten married, ever.

So you're not married, never been married, and not even old enough to have seen your crew of guys through 5-10 years of marriage and divorce.

Thanks for offering your unique insight.

Not.

There's enough posts in the manosphere to adequately scare someone off from marriage.

If it makes your blood boil at the idea I can see a few real advantages to marriage, and would like to play the devil's advocate and offer a glimpse of a counter-argument, when everyone is "liking "each other's posts in mindless agreement like sheep rather than fostering real intellectual debate - which is how I thought you hone and improve your arguments in general - then I'm really, really sorry. It won't happen again.