Before reading this, first watch Roosh's video on the midwest:
Disclaimers:
1) I realize that this report sounds negative. I would rather it not be because I really enjoyed my time in Kansas City and with its citizens. However, if I am being honest with my self below is what I saw and experienced. While Kansas City is far better than this forum's
trinity of hell:
, I have travelled to many other places, and honestly Kansas City does not measure up to many of them for people pursuing women through travel.
2) I was only there for five nights, which did not include Friday or Saturday night. While I am sure the crowds improve, I saw nothing to indicate that the average level of talent would. I will fully admit that missing those two nights may seriously compromise my observations.
3) The five nights I went to KC were in the middle of December, but unseasonably warm, which may also affect things, such as getting a pretty good idea of girls bodies despite the time of year.
TL;DR Version:
The girls of KC are best described as physically OK to Decent when not overweight with good but not outstanding attitudes. The competition, while it does exist, should be very straight forward to handle. However, it is a very empty and quiet city Sunday through Thursday night, with not quite as cheap a night life as one might expect for the middle of the USA. As well, you must stay in and around the Westport Plaza in order to ensure opportunities to open and approach.
The Girls
Faces:
OK to Decent. I only saw one girl my entire time there with a face above a 7, though 5+'s and 6's were easy to find. What I saw on Tinder did not impress me. The sub 5s, while not as bad as what I have seen in Ontario, can be quite bad. At one bar to which I went, I sat down next to a girl who from behind look great - she had a very nice waif body and was showing it off. When she turned around I had the worst butterface experience of my life.
Her face was unbelievably scrunched and reminded me a bit of Kuato from Total Recall.
Bodies:
OK to Decent as well. When not obese, they do have curves. However, Dallas girls have better bodies while Chicago girls have much better bodies (again when not obese - this is still the USA).
Attitudes:
Quite good. Certainly much better than DC and miles ahead of Ontario and Denmark. I would say they were noticably better than what I experienced in Chicago, and I thought Chicago girls had a good attitude in my experience.
I got a number of IOIs, though they tended to be subtle and would require competent but not exceptional approaches. Unfortunately, they tended either to be at the place I was working or when they were in seated groups. However, they were definitely not as good as what I experienced in Dallas and Charleston.
Speaking of scrunch face above, she actually encouraged me to open a girl sitting next to me at the bar. She said I should compliment her on her earings. Of course, my being a forum member from DC who is 1/2 Danish
and spent 5 years in Ontario was thinking "Shut up, you idiot - compliment openers stopped working in the early 2000s. Everyone knows the only correct opener is 'Do you know where the pet shop is?' - oh wait it's night - the only correct openers are "Let me guess where you're from" and "I really like you're energy". Needless to say I ignored her advice and let the opportunity slip by.
I really need to get out of DC.
Competition:
There is some. I would place it somewhere between Chicago (not as hard) and Dallas (not as easy). However, I don't think it would be an issue for anyone with a basic grounding in game.
Where are the girls:
They are in Westport at the Plaza, a large out door mall south of downtown on the Blue River. If you are visiting you should focus most of your efforts there, and exclusively if it is not Friday or Saturday night. If it is not Friday or Saturday night, it is not worth bothering to be any where else. While there are downtown night spots like Power and Light and a hipster neighborhood directly north of the plaza, from what I could tell they
only get customers on Friday and Saturday night. I went to Howl at the Moon on Wednesday night as recommended by the data sheet above, and it had less than 20 customers. It's too bad because the musicians were excellent with no cover. I have paid more cover than I care to remember to listen to bands who couldn't sing, couldn't play their instruments,
and couldn't sound check properly.
With all due respect to the author of the original KC data sheet, I believe that it is now out of date.
Boring but important stuff:
How to get there:
Rail and Auto:
Kansas City is a major ground and water transportation hub for the United States. While passenger trains are rare unlike freight trains (I have never seen so many in my life), the city is surrounded by decent highways that have remarkably light traffic, even during rush hour. If you can drive, that would be the best way to go.
Air:
This could be harder. While KC was once a major center of the American economy, it has fallen on less prosperous times. The airport, which the area built during the optimism of the 60s and has 3 terminals with nearly 100 gates, is so under used that one of the terminals has been closed indefinitely. KC's airport has surprisingly few direct destinations except to major hubs such as Chicago, Atlanta, New York, and LA. Neither secondary major cities like Cleveland, Buffalo, Raleigh-Durham Research Triangle, Boise, and San Antonio nor regional cities such as Omaha, Witchita, Sioux Falls, Shreveport, and Tulsa have direct flights to KC, despite it having plenty of capacity. For non-American forum members, its only foreign direct flights are to and from Toronto and North American tropical resorts. However, the airport, while very out of date, has very quick security due to a quirk in its design. It was rated the 3rd least miserable airport in the USA, and I would agree. Southwest flies there so good deals on ticket prices can be found.
Where to stay:
It is CRITICAL that you stay in Westport near the plaza. In a city that feels deserted, it is the only place where you can reliably find talent. Fortunately, there a quite a few hotels in that neighborhood. Hotels in Westport, while not cheap, are reasonably priced.
Food:
It's standard American city fare for the most part, but I never had a bad meal. That being said, if you like smoked meat BBQ with sauce and juicy steaks, you are in for a treat. KC is famous for it's BBQ and steaks and for good reason. Going to Jack's Stackhouse, to Arthur Bryant's, and to Joe's (formerly Oklahoma Joe's) Kansas City BBQ are an absolute must, as well as treating yourself to a high end steakhouse dinner.
Drinks:
Standard American city drinks. However, there are two local microbrews, Boulevard and KC Bier, that are exceptionally good and don't overhop their beer like many American microbrews.
Prices:
KC is not that cheap for what it is. While certainly overall much less than places like DC and Toronto, and no where near Copenhagen, your dollar does not go as far as you might expect for KC nightlife and entertainment.
Uber prices, which are a steal in Dallas, are somewhat less than DC but not that much. Drinks at bars and restaurants at best felt marginally less than DC. Drinking and junk food wise, my nights out in Chicago honestly felt like a better deal.
Atmosphere:
Very Empty:
KC is a very empty place. While not all that dangerous by American standards, you often have the feeling that you are completely alone when you walk around. Even the plaza in Westport during Christmas shopping season doesn't feel very crowded. The downtown feels empty even during business hours, and near by nice looking residential neighborhoods often look deserted with lights out at 8PM. Even at the height of rush hour, there are just not that many cars on the road.
It's not flat:
I had assumed that Kansas City was where the rolling prairies ended and the great plains began. I was wrong. It is actually quite hilly. If you are a DC comics fan, the Flash's hometown of Central City is very misleading - they should probably hint that it's Oklahoma City. If you had suddenly placed me in a residential neighborhood in KC away from its landmarks and asked me where I was, I would have said Western Upstate New York.
Friendly:
In the tradition of the central United States, KC is a very friendly and welcoming place. Roosh is correct in his observations. My story of scrunch face above is a good example.
Blacks:
I am reluctant to post this since race is very touchy issue on the forum, but I was surprised that most blacks I encountered in KC spoke with the dominant mid western accent of the area. They did not have the typical
American black accent. The few who did had a very muted version. You may say "so what you bigot!?!" but I have traveled to all the major regions of the United States, usually in inner cities, and have never seen this before.
The Sites:
Believe it or not, KC has a lot of very interesting things to see.
World War I museum - this is KC's most famous land mark. Inside is a terrific museum whose quality goes toe to toe with places like the Imperial War Museum in London and the Marine Museum in Quantico, VA. Its Memorial Hall has some of the most beautiful American art work that I have ever seen.
Vine St - this is where KC Jazz was born. It includes a Negro League Museum which looked interesting but I did not have time to visit.
The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art - again, I did not have time to see it but it looks very impressive.
Pre-World War II architecture - Kansas City has a lot of pre World War II architecture that is very beautiful. I found KC's main train station to be even prettier than Grand Central in New York or Union Station in DC.
Should you go?
Should you go just to party and approach?
No. There are significantly better places to go for the same amount of money.
Should you move there?
No. The local economy is not the greatest while night life prices are surprisingly a bit on the high side given the area's difficulties, and the girls just aren't high enough quality to justify taking a hit to one's purchasing power or employment opportunities. For players thinking of settling down and having kids, this is a shame because KC looks like it was once a paradise in which to raise a family.
So you should never visit at all?
No, I did not say that. The girls are decent with good attitudes. There is actually a lot to see in Kansas City, including the outstanding WWI museum, The Negro League Museum, Vine Street, and The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, plus really beautiful pre world war II American architecture. In addition, if you like smoked meat BBQ in sauce, steak, and good beer, Kansas City is fabulous. The Royals are the 2015 champions, and
The Kansas City Chiefs are noted for having one of the best fan experiences in the NFL, including top marks for tail gating.
If you're looking for a weekend getaway and can score cheap airline tickets and accommodations in Westport, you should absolutely go and try to top it off with a Sunday Chiefs or Royals game, just keeping in mind that approaching and opening will only be a part of your weekend.
If you make it a weekend when the weather is nice of site seeing, eating great food, drinking great booze, watching live sports, and some approaching of women, you should have a great time. I for one plan to do precisely this.
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