[DonovanVC]

wait, Krauser was in san diego for a weekend and didn't get laid, so now his game isn't as good as a top american guy?

haha, thats funny. 3-5 days isn't a lot, especially in a new environment.

and yes, i am american and believe "american game" is pretty strong, but still. Krauser has dropped nothin but solid knowledge and his record over a few day period should not be determinative of anything.

[wolf]

It's kind of interesting how fast he got to where he is. In 3 years he's this, notice how he's now focused on the lifestyle.

[The Fantasist]

True about the availability of EE women in London. I'm down Brighton way but regularly hit London for dates with EE women I meet on Mamba. They are just as have been described on here: lonely and with no big social circle. Being English is an automatic DHV to them and as long as you have some game closing them is not too hard but i've not done a SNL yet. I've found that the majority of the girls I've met have been from the Baltics,banged a Latvian a month back and going up to meet an Estonian who is keen to hook up next week. Both from Mamba. You have to keep your profile bumped up to the first four pages and just wait for them to get in contact. The reason I don't do it more often is
the hassle of going up on the train to meet them,it's an expense and pain to have to do it a few times before I can get them into bed. Logistics are also an expensive pain. If I lived in London I would just target the EE girls exclusively.

Having said that if you go out twice a week every week with a high energy fun attitude in any UK town you can't fail to get laid often with UK chicks, no need for EE women. I was out on Friday in my town ( Worthing ) got two numbers and a sloppy kiss off of a fit 20 year old chick ( I'm 37 and bald : ). If I can be arsed i'll bang one of the numbers eventually. The UK is pretty fucking easy to get laid in because the women are slaggy and the men ( no offense my British brothers ) in smaller towns are mostly boring dicks who have limited life experience outside of their towns. So if you go in approaching sets high energy and don't act like the macho nobs you'll get plenty of action. That's been my experience anyway.

[pitt]

(06-02-2012 08:43 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 12:42 AM)Paul Wanka Wrote:  

Keep in mind that Krauser has the good fortune of living in London, a locale with a vast pool of poor young Eastern European girls working low-level service jobs. These girls are generally new to the country, don't speak English very well, somewhat lonely, and don't have vast tight-knit social circles extending from childbood. An Englishman has higher status by virtue of being a local. Check out his blog - almost all his day game lays are foreign (mostly Eastern European).

An American guy (outside of maybe NYC) won't have access to the same pool of international talent. Cold approaching and laying an American peroxide blonde sorority girl via day game will be much more challenging than a Polish hotel-cleaner in London whose only been in the country for 3 weeks.

I believe Krauser conceded to visiting the US and not getting laid once, despite the benefit of an English accent. Take his advice with a grain of salt...

Really I think, if London was easy pickings for EE women I'm sure we would have heard something from one of our multiple UK-based members.

In London you get what you look for, i wouldnt necessarily say that eastern european women are the easiest in London. Me personally my pool-target is british-jamaican women because i think they have the best asses in this city and i have dated more of them than any other type of girls so im used to them. So in my case, i would say that british-jamaicans are the easiest for me (when i say british-jamaicans i mean girls that were born in the UK but their parents or grand-parents come from Jamaica).

If you want eastern european women, you better off GOING to Eastern Europe, you wont get the same quality of EE women in London in contrast to EE. Coming to London to look for eastern european women is like coming to london to look for brazillian women, you just wont get the same quality.

[Krauser]

(06-02-2012 05:15 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I got to agree, just listened to the whole interview, that was pretty epic. I got a lot of respect for Krauser now, never really got into his blog or read much of his stuff, but dude really did a very eloquent and complete job of breaking down the "sexual market place", male/female sexually dynamics, as well as female psychology.

I can't attest to the guys game, but he seems pretty damn honest and real to me, saying that he's collected 50 notches in 3 years since getting into game, as well as most of his bangs being in the 7 range.

One thing, I thought was interesting, is that he gave props to a shit ton of bloggers in the game community, but no mention of Roosh. As far as I'm concerned Roosh is far and away at the top of the pyramid when it comes to game, although there are quite a few other good ones too. I'm guessing Krauser, probably sees Roosh as competition since they both have notable day game books out.

Thanks fella. I mentioned only those bloggers whose work directly related to the stuff we were talking about at the time, much of which was meta-level / sociology. We didn't really cover the subjects where Roosh is an acknowledged expert / theorist. I link him in my blogroll because he is very good at the areas he chose to specialise in.

I don't see him as a competitor. No-one is, because I'm no longer commercial.

[Roosh]

Krauser is definitely one of the more real and honest game teachers. It's obvious his teachings are based firmly through experience.

As for his past criticisms on indirect day game........

[billy]

Lonely EE girls and Russian girls are my thing, Estonians are my speciality I think they are easier in the UK than their home country but I am not sure you could call picking them up game. I just find it effortless and don't even think about game when they are in London , no need to be cocky or show a hint of arrogancce or any of that crap. Estonians and Latvians don't shit test, Russians do but somtimes on an epic scale so you never really miss them coming. I don't think you can really compare picking them up to the effort required to impress and American or decent looking English girl.

[Paul Wanka]

Here's a Krauser approach video:

This girl is Polish. She was sweet and feminine and kind enough to entertain him for a few minutes.

Now how would an American woman respond to a much older man running up to her from behind on an isolated street, tapping her on the shoulder, getting up in her face while blocking her path, and tell her she has sexy legs? Most American women (being paranoid as fuck) would think Krauser is a creep and quickly walk away.

American women have been conditioned to view overt romantic advances from strange men on the streets as "creepy". It's no surprise that Krauser struck out with the women here.

Krauser talks a lot about masculine-feminine polarity, but he must also realize that the masculine-feminine polarity in modern day America is seriously out of whack.

I recall Krauser taking Roosh to task on his indirect Day Bang approach, calling it weak and "unmanly". Yet I'm inclined to side with Roosh as his method has been field tested here, and he's cut his teeth with the sharks (local American women in America). Krauser's swimming with goldfish (fish out of water poor Eastern European girls).

[Deluge]

(06-04-2012 01:51 AM)Paul Wanka Wrote:  

This girl is Polish. She was sweet and feminine and kind enough to entertain him for a few minutes.

Now how would an American woman respond to a much older man running up to her from behind on an isolated street, tapping her on the shoulder, getting up in her face while blocking her path, and tell her she has sexy legs? Most American women (being paranoid as fuck) would think Krauser is a creep and quickly walk away.

An older wing of mine did exactly this on a 16 year old girl on an Australian street, number closed her and she didn't flake. Didn't bang though. They'd only think he's a creep if he was nervous and awkward. Seems like Krauser is very good at day game and is a very confident guy and girls pick up on this. You can get away with a hell of a lot if you're confident in what you're doing and have some experience with this sort of ballsy stuff. But if you got a newbie in game or your average beta schlub to do that then yes, she would run off creeped the fuck out.

[Paul Wanka]

Some comments from American women:

[–]KaiWeevil 9 points 11 days ago
This only happened a few times in my experience, but I would like a guy to say something, anything, that's kinda like an icebreaker, and if I'm feeling up for it, I'll respond, and then, BAM, conversation. I know I didn't really explain that well, but here's an example (actually happened):
In a crowded bus: Him: Sorry for bumping into you, they're cramming us like sardines in here. Me: That's fine. They really need more buses going this route during rush hour.
And then a conversation about public transportation happens, which can turn into a conversation about other things.
I know that sounds kinda scripted and fake, but it happens. If you're at a bookstore, a guy can make a comment on a book you're looking at. Coffee shop: Saying "good choice" when you order your favorite drink. Dog park: "Wow, your dog is really energetic. What breed is it?" Note that none of the above has anything to do with my physical features.
The best part is that you have the choice to continue the conversation if you want to. You can just say the bare minimum and have it be done. If the guy still pursues the conversation, then that's when you know he's creepy. I really hate it when guys keep trying to talk to me when I obviously don't want to talk to him. Happened to me one time on a flight. Not fun.

^ Sounds just like the Day Bang approach. Being indirect is not weak or unmanly. Again, American women don't appreciate direct romantic/sexual advances. If you read this thread, the women say it's due to high levels of street harassment
that American women experience.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/commen...ou/c4r7tbf

[Thug Muffin]

[quote] (06-02-2012 11:08 AM)Paul Wanka Wrote:  

[quote='houston' pid='217910' dateline='1338651747']
Foreign guys struggle with American women, then rationalize it by saying they're all ugly (no hot girls in San Diego? Really?)[/quote]

I live in San Diego and took the boot camp with Krauser and Burto. To say there was a utter lack of hot girls walking around in the daytime would be true. SD is full of college students and transplants. It was close to Christmas so everyone goes home.

The Pacific Beach boardwalk is normally jam packed crawling with girls but on this specific weekend it was overcast and cold which translates to nobody being out. I didn't see one hot girl along the whole time we walked along the boardwalk so we ended up going to the mall.

I saw Krauser and Burto do one approach each. Both went fairly well in my eyes. Each girl stopped and seemed to thoroughly enjoy talking to each guy. Burto got the number from his girl and was texting with her later that day. I don't know if they ever met up. The girl that Krauser approached ending up going on an insta-date with him.

[thegmanifesto]

I have never understood this:

Why does every balding pick up artist think they are that Jason Stathham guy?

Quote:

I live in San Diego and took the boot camp with Krauser and Burto. To say there was a utter lack of hot girls walking around in the daytime would be true. SD is full of college students and transplants. It was close to Christmas so everyone goes home.

The Pacific Beach boardwalk is normally jam packed crawling with girls but on this specific weekend it was overcast and cold which translates to nobody being out. I didn't see one hot girl along the whole time we walked along the boardwalk so we ended up going to the mall.

Bad play holmes.

Christmas time you have to roll La Jolla or Downtown.

Every fly girl returns to La Jolla for Christmas.

I haven't listened to the interview, and I am sure this guy has some good things to say.

It always blows my mind when these commercial pick up artists say how many girls they have been with. 50 in their life?

And they are teaching this?

And charging?

And getting people to pay for it?

50 girls is a straight up beginner still.

50 girls is a good six months.

50 girls is a solid number (not exceptional mind you) for a College senior.

3 years in the Game?

Hell, you are still a good 7 years away from being somewhat considered an expert holmes.

I was 3 years in the Game at age 17.

Hell, I should be charging 800k per boot camp.

But I would rather give data away for free.

For The People.

[Paul Wanka]

(06-04-2012 06:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I have never understood this:

Why does every balding pick up artist think they are that Jason Stathham guy?

Quote:

I live in San Diego and took the boot camp with Krauser and Burto. To say there was a utter lack of hot girls walking around in the daytime would be true. SD is full of college students and transplants. It was close to Christmas so everyone goes home.

The Pacific Beach boardwalk is normally jam packed crawling with girls but on this specific weekend it was overcast and cold which translates to nobody being out. I didn't see one hot girl along the whole time we walked along the boardwalk so we ended up going to the mall.

Bad play holmes.

Christmas time you have to roll La Jolla or Downtown.

Every fly girl returns to La Jolla for Christmas.

I haven't listened to the interview, and I am sure this guy has some good things to say.

It always blows my mind when these commercial pick up artists say how many girls they have been with. 50 in their life?

And they are teaching this?

And charging?

And getting people to pay for it?

50 girls is a straight up beginner still.

50 girls is a good six months.

50 girls is a solid number (not exceptional mind you) for a College senior.

3 years in the Game?

Hell, you are still a good 7 years away from being somewhat considered an expert holmes.

I was 3 years in the Game at age 17.

Hell, I should be charging 800k per boot camp.

But I would rather give data away for free.

For The People.

50 lays in 3 years isn't at all impressive considering that Krauser effectively dedicated his life to pickup. Krauser roams the streets for 7-8 hours at a time. He's borderline employed and has all the time in the world. Plays "long game" because he says it's not easy to pull chicks fast all the time. Travels to Eastern Europe & Southeast Asia and other places where being English & wealthy is a huge advantage. Goes to the US and can't get laid.

Environment is huge. Roosh says he got laid a lot in Poland. By contrast, DC is really tough on guys. Have you ever heard of a person who found it ridiculously hard to get laid in Poland but get laid like a champ in DC? Or claims getting laid in Thailand is ultra difficult?

[Krauser]

(06-05-2012 11:59 AM)Paul Wanka Wrote:  

Krauser roams the streets for 7-8 hours at a time. He's borderline employed and has all the time in the world.

You're welcome to your assessment of my style and ability, but I'll correct you on factual misstatements. I've never gone "full time". I have hobbies and a life outside of chasing pussy. I don't know where this "7-8 hours" thing comes from. More like 3 hours a week for the past year in London, with occasional bursts of more intense activity. More if I'm on holiday abroad.

[Roosh]

Paul Wanka's continuous hating is not welcome here. Banned.

[Screwston]

Lol at roaming the street for 7-8 hrs at a time. Is he a PUA or bum?

[wolf]

50 for every 6 months?
I understand where 20-30 chicks come out per year, even 40+ if all you do is that the whole time.

The only time I've seen anywhere close to those numbers is guys going to poor countries or couples that are swingers.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-05-2012 06:33 PM)wolf Wrote:  

50 for every 6 months?
I understand where 20-30 chicks come out per year, even 40+ if all you do is that the whole time.

The only time I've seen anywhere close to those numbers is guys going to poor countries or couples that are swingers.

Mixx had a thread where he was up to 120 for the year or something.

May have been higher.

Keep in mind, 100 is only 2 per week.

It is very possible if you go out a lot, have a club on lockdown, have a strong pipeline and niche etc

[Roosh]

Mixx had one year where he was in triple digits, and that is better than basically everyone else. To make that the baseline for being a true player is a bit silly.

I can say from personal experience that getting 2 notches a week is grueling. You have to have testosterone levels off the chart to maintain that. There is a point where it's not even about skill or game but hormone and energy levels.

[OGNorCal707]

(06-05-2012 08:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Mixx had one year where he was in triple digits, and that is better than basically everyone else. To make that the baseline for being a true player is a bit silly.

I can say from personal experience that getting 2 notches a week is grueling. You have to have testosterone levels off the chart to do maintain that. There is a point where it's not even about skill or game but hormone and energy levels.

Plus, how do we know what these women look like, plenty of us could up our notch count by banging sub-par women, but choose to maintain a decent level of standards. I'm not trying to say that I think Mixx was banging trolls, but I'm sure he had plenty of 6's and possibly even some 5's if he truly hit triple digits.

Whether or not anyone thinks 50 notches is a poor performance in 3 years of game, I respect Krauser for being honest, he could have easily lied about that detail. Plus Krauser isn't exactly the most handsome man in the world, and he was pulling 7+ quality girls that were usually over 10 years younger than him. I'd say that's pretty decent, for a guy who isn't extremely handsome or a millionaire.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-05-2012 08:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Mixx had one year where he was in triple digits, and that is better than basically everyone else. To make that the baseline for being a true player is a bit silly.

I can say from personal experience that getting 2 notches a week is grueling. You have to have testosterone levels off the chart to do maintain that. There is a point where it's not even about skill or game but hormone and energy levels.

I got you guys.

But we can agree that 50 in three years 50/3= 16 is pretty light, if this is what you do for a living can't we?

I mean, hell, you could hit up a spring break, a couple weekends in Las Vegas, throw a college party or two and hit that number.

And you would have like 40 weeks left in the year to go into a deep meditation in a Buddist temple.

I guess it is all perspective. I have been doing this since I was a kid.

I mean there are college fraternity kids at every university in the country that hit that number in the first quarter of school. With zero Game, and cargo shorts.

I will give you an example:

I went out last Friday and Sat and kissed a super hot girl I went on a date with, and got three strong numbers. Zero swoops.

I consider that weekend a near disaster.

If I repeat that next weekend, I might as well shoot myself.

I still will probably get 2-3 swoops out of it this week or next.

And I just arrived in this town cold.

16 swoops in a year is 329 nights that year of taking an L.

Now again, if you are working on the cure for cancer, hey, its not bad.

[WanderingSoul]

With living in Thailand for 4 months last year, and going back to my hometown for 6 months where I have high social value, I nailed 25 new chicks. Between training Jiu Jitsu 3-5x a week and other shit I do, 25 was more than enough. I will go through 2-4 week periods where I don't pull new girls, just keep old ones on rotation. Even here in Bangkok sometimes I go 2 weeks without a new girl, but still get laid nearly any night I want. However, I could literally fuck 5 new girls a week here if I put in the effort. Possibly more.

Training 3-5x a week, going out 1-2x a week, and hanging out with my friends a couple times a week is my preferred schedule. Going out 3-5 nights a week isn't something I like to do.

I *could* get 50 new notches a year with an increase in effort, but 100 would be fucking grueling. I don't have the desire or energy for that. I get laid 2-4 nights a week. The other nights I am tired and hungry from Jiu Jitsu, and just want to watch some HBO.

Once you get to the point where you can pull consistently, effort is going to be a big part of your numbers.

50 girls in 3 years does seem low for a coach, but I agree with OGNorCal. 50 notches from day game of girls who are much younger than you and 7+s is good in my book. Especially since Krauser seems to be a bit older and not great looking.

Got to remember, the best players in any sport do not necessarily make the best coaches.

[MikeCF]

(06-05-2012 09:09 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

50 girls in 3 years does seem low for a coach, but I agree with OGNorCal. 50 notches from day game of girls who are much younger than you and 7+s is good in my book. Especially since Krauser seems to be a bit older and not great looking.

A "coach" should be judged by the success of his "athletes."

Freddie Roach was an OK boxer, but he's be forgotten were it not for his success as a coach.

Greg Jackson and Caesar Gracie didn't do anything as fighters...But they can produce world beaters.

If a guy is a sexless wonder but gets other guys laid, then he may be a bad player but a good coach.

If a guy is getting 100 lays a year but can't translate that to the troops, then he's an excellent player and a poor coach.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-05-2012 08:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I got you guys.

But we can agree that 50 in three years 50/3= 16 is pretty light, if this is what you do for a living can't we?

Agreed. However, I believe Krauser only does day game? So if he was also doing night game maybe his number doubles and comes up to a respectable number.

I don't think his notch count is a great indicator of how good of a coach someone is. I have no idea how good he is, but many times someone who has had to work and train harder to achieve a goal than a naturally gifted person makes a much better coach than they do player.

I have some guys I train with who are gifted athletes and pick shit up super quickly, but a couple of them can barley explain, or understand themselves, the concepts of what they do. It just works for them. Then I know a guy who was never super gifted at BJJ, but he can break things down and is a great coach. He just understands Jiu Jitsu and can convey that to you in a way that makes sense, even though he doesn't rack up many gold medals.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-05-2012 09:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

A "coach" should be judged by the success of his "athletes."

Freddie Roach was an OK boxer, but he's be forgotten were it not for his success as a coach.

Greg Jackson and Caesar Gracie didn't do anything as fighters...But they can produce world beaters.

If a guy is a sexless wonder but gets other guys laid, then he may be a bad player but a good coach.

If a guy is getting 100 lays a year but can't translate that to the troops, then he's an excellent player and a poor coach.

Bastard, you beat me to it lol.