[MaceTyrell]

Well, I'm "following them around" in an attempt at engaging with them over DM to collaborate with the business I am managing the account for. Nothing generates attention on IG like a scantily clad woman posing next to your product.

Regardless, I don't want to get off track from the purpose of this thread. Day 1...checking in.

[Sam Malone]

I've mentioned it before in this thread, my New Years resolution was NPNF.

I've been marking my calendar since the beginning of the year. Folded twice back in January, once because of a last minute cancellation after some heavy texting innuendo with a chick in my rotation, the other 'just because'. I mark(ed) faps, bangs, and new notches.

And using this Time Between Two Dates calculator to check my progress...

Yesterday was DAY 250.

Looking back now, one of the biggest things I've gleaned since January is to have an abundance mentality.

A couple years ago when I was first officially divorced (and shortly before finding the forum), I went on a few 'dates'. I'd match with a woman online, run some banter, and meet up at a local bar/restaurant for a couple of drinks, hoping to run enough game to get her back to my place. That didn't work back then, as 1) I was 'thirsty', and 2) it showed.
"C'mon, come back to my place, I'll show you ______". The tone of my voice I'm sure reeked of desperation and neediness.

Last year, I had (and still have) one woman in my rotation (Shiva) that I've known for a long time (she's a 6 on a good day). If all else failed, I had her as a backup instead of rubbing one out.
This worked well with drink meetups, but the downside was my feeling 'arrogant'. I didn't 'need' to bed this woman I was having drinks with, because I had Shiva to go bang out. And part of that, I think, was the uncertainty of the potential new bang. "What if I go too far ?", "What if she gets back to my place and doesn't like it", "What if...", etc.
That mentality may have cost me a few bangs. Looking back now, as long as my place wasn't/isn't a complete shithole, is tidy, and I'm not an apologetic beta, those fears were unsubstantiated.

This year, I've had Shiva in the regular rotation, as well as various women in and out of the rotation. Including Shiva, I have two regulars right now. And I'm currently in the double digits for new notches this year... my best year ever (so far). Some from Tinder, POF, Bumble, and SA.
Most have come direct to the house/hotel room for the bang, or I've gone to their place for the same thing. Some have been 5's, some have been 8's.

While there's a debate to be had regarding quality of notches, I liken having a 5 in the rotation to car shopping. It's a lot easier to be selective and find a good deal when you already have a car to drive (and can walk away from a sale if you don't like the interest rate or the resale value), versus needing a car and not having one, where you're under pressure or time constraints to buy one (and have to take that higher interest rate or the lack of luxuries in the car).
In the same venue, it's easier to seek out new notches when you have a 'go to' or 'stand by' at your disposal. Even if she's a 5, it allows you to be a little more selective when searching for an 'upgrade' or a 'second car'.

Abundance Mentality.

I don't write all this to come across as braggadocious, I write it because I'm almost certain that NPNF has gotten me to where I am this year.

NPNF has given me the 'push' to seek out new notches.

[Lucky]

Day 28.

Last night I met up with a girl for drinks. Brought her back to my place. We made out for about 20 minutes then she straddled me.

A few minutes later we changed positions and I noticed some leakage on my new Chinos

She saw it and asked, "What is that?" I obviously hadn't had an orgasm. So rapidly I'm attempting to formulate an explanation through the haze of gin and tonics we'd been drinking.

So then I just told her I stopped watching porn and masturbating, and apparently my body is still readjusting. She seemed intrigued but who the hell knows. I didn't close; we got as far as making out and fingering.

I'm going to set up another date with her this week. We'll see what happens.

[Mikestar]

Anyone recommend any specific natural herbs or supplements to eliminate brain fog and low sex drive during a flatline?

[Ivanis]

Damn you, Reddit.

Day 1. Going strong this time. Gonna try to break my 30-something day record.

[redbeard]

(10-02-2017 11:18 AM)Mikestar Wrote:  

Anyone recommend any specific natural herbs or supplements to eliminate brain fog and low sex drive during a flatline?

https://www.pegym.com/forums/erectile-dy...tions.html

(10-02-2017 04:00 PM)Ivanis Wrote:  

Damn you, Reddit.

Day 1. Going strong this time. Gonna try to break my 30-something day record.

https://selfcontrolapp.com/

[ExploringReality]

2 or 3 weeks here. Random erections happening again since now I only have 1 girl available. One thing I'm noticing is that I'm doing better now that I have less sex, it's weird...I think it might be because now resisting is a challenge, and I gain pride in succeeding. Before, when I had twice the sex I thought of fapping as "not a big deal", since I was not "saving up" anyhow. I know this is a mistake, and that the benefits are in the brain and not in the testicles, but still, that was my rationalization to fell off the train.

[Lights]

90+ Days here.

To you guys relapsing after ~3 days...

It's gonna be tough for the first couple weeks.
It felt impossible for me.

Porn I am convinced is a bonafide addiction.

Here's the thing I had to become disgusted with it. I am not gonna sit around and watch porn .

I'm not that guy any more.

That's why there's no need for blockers or whatever what have you.

As a man there is no excuse to sit around beating my dick.

So guess what now after ~90 days. I realize
That I used to have to drink to have ONS with women of questionable repute. Girls that hangout at bars.

And now I see the world with fresh eyes. And maybe you will too. Just look at the successes. Read the first ten pages of this thread.

Now at 90+ days I see sex differently. I'm not just looking for a hole to fuck. I'm looking for a girl to worship me.

I'm looking for a girl to be obsessed with me and follow where I lead.

I'm debating whether to even have sex or not because my semen is too precious to squander on a club slut.

I've experienced the power of sex transmutation.

Some guys might check out on that idea. Prob most guys bc this is a game forum.

But we have to admit. Game is dynamic. We're not dealing with the same girls from 10 years let alone even 5 years ago.

Most of these girls is like jacking off into a warm hole and that's it.

I don't have the answers. I'm not trying to be a evangelist for nofap. Now my dilemma is I don't really want to have sex.

It might be because Ive been in Minnesota for a few months and I don't like it so we'll see when I get to New York and then North Carolina.

I'm horny but it's like I'm not seeing women worthy to risk all the benefits I've gained from not only nofap but 'semen retention' as well.

By the way I made a drastic life change since I started nofap. Sold all my stuff first of all. Then moved. Finding an apartment wasn't as easy or quick as anticipated so lived in my car for a while.

Not recommending my lifestyle, but just saying I'm much more proactive now . before I would be okay staying in my place in Minot, north dakotA (check my data sheet)

And I'm planning more drastic things and executing on them. Yeah it's nice to fuck but even that seems like masturbation. If a girl isn't like rocket fuel for me and my goals then I'm not interested.

Let's be honest chasing girls is a liability it's a time suck I'm trying to utilitize my game to find an income producing assets. I don't know if that's an oxymoron when it comes to women ESP in the west but I'm searching. I got my eyes open.

[Lights]

My personal notes:

~90 days (96 days exactly)
Bigger erections
More motivated
Proactive
Strong energy reserves
No need for stimulants like coffee etc
Coffee acts like a 'booster' but is not necessary
Better ability to deal with stress
Unafraid of confrontation
Sometimes attracted to confrontation
Socially smarter and clearheaded
Notices more flaws in females
No drinking
No smoking
Better diet
More emotional
Crying
Desire to pray all of a sudden (less so my second go tound$
Anger
Little patience for nonsense
Strong constitution
Feel more masculine
Voice deeper
Stronger frame
Walk taller
Take up more space
Increased drive to accomplish things
Aversion to crude behavior
Hypersensitive to poor quality
Better memory
Unaffected

[Lights]

One more thing is I haven't had sex the entire 90 days. I'm conflicted about it.

But I might when I travel east . I don't like Minnesotan women ... but Im headed east so I'll report how that affects the experiment.

Some would say the whole point of nofap is to become more attractive to females. I would agree to a point but I'm conflicted about 1. Wasting my semen and 2. Wasting my energy on an unworthy female.

So finding the right girl will take some time but I might just fuck to report whatever changes occur as a result (if any)

My opinion is that most girls aren't even worth it. But that's unacceptable as a long term strategy so I have to figure something out.

[Lights]

Delete

[kosko]

Okay so update for me.

I'm looking to do a cleanse and detox of the insides but this will include a detox of the sexual house as well.

Those who follow this thread know I am on a porn detox and have cut out all hardcore porn now for months, which has been successful.

I would still fap once a week, but to no porn or to softcore stuff. This has been good but I had a rough week where I probably fapped more times than I needed too.


Fast track to now, October 1st I pledged to do a reboot so no fap and no type of adult videos at all for this month. 10 days in and so far so good but I did bang out a tight broad on the weekend so I'm still at ease from that. No urges to watch any adult videos at all, the hornness is still there and every girl who is not fat or busted gives me a boner.

I notice this time it is more or less not as intense as the prior no porn/no fap where I was an animal by this time that could not focus. Big thing is just keeping busy so getting back into the gym has been helpful. I also will just sleep if I get an urge to fap. Much better to nap it off versus letting your mind wander away.

Overall things are rolling good. I'm determined not to crack this challenge and I want to push into see how long I can go. In essentially resting if easing into it as I have been doing for the last few months is best versus just the rough transition where many start off.

[sterling_archer]

I failed 3 days ago for reasons not too important.
Reason I didn't report anything earlier here is that I wanted to observe myself for these past 3 days. I discovered that I didn't lose any of the benefits I gained during 56 days of challenge. BUT, and a big BUT is that doesn't mean I will start to fap furiously, or worse, watching porn or that anyone who fails should do that. Restart challenge and do it again and don't feel guilty and bad because you failed.

It really may be just for me like that but bottom line is that I am restarting challenge and am not sad because I failed.

[Ski pro]

This is very interesting. I've been going a month now and I'm definitely less angry. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

[tomzestatlu]

A year ago I went easily through half year of nofap and now I can hardly make few days. Must change it.

[Lights]

I think one should feel guilty and bad that they failed.

Why.

Because this is a simple test. If I can't have the discipline to do something so basic as not do something, theres something wrong.

As a man, that is unsatisfactory.

Thats an addiction.

You know, when I relapsed like 3 months ago I had to stop everything and ask

"ok what happened. Where did I fuck up"

"what is going on because I feel like shit"

And I felt guilty until I got back on track and got some 30 days under my belt.

It's not like I'm this virginal unsocial guy before abstinence. No. I'm "good with girls," whatever that means.

I know what I like and I can get what I like.

But I was being affected. Something was off.

Not just physically but mentally. My brain was wired for pornography.

If you're 17, you might be like whatever. And thats fine.

But not me.

As my brain 'reboots' I think of women differently, I think of sex differently.

In a way I was blind to before.

I knew women weren't the same.

But I thought, "i need to fuck them anyway"

Now I think, like the way we know by the smell that a rotting food is not safe to eat...

that women are not good to fuck. These women now. They're not.

Before I was blind to that and was doing things that was bad for me.

This is me as a 30 y/0 man.

There's no way I'm touching a 30 yo woman.

No way.

They're bad. Not good to eat.

Now my body is attuned to what is good for my sexual health. and i realize im standing in a fetid wasteland garbage dump

I know what is good but My radars are not going off.

My radars right now are pretty much shut down.

It may be because I'm in Minnesota. And I don't enjoy the passionless white bread women that are here. that talk loud and don't look like they enjoy being touched, or being seduced.

well see when I go east.

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As for anger, I meditate to balance my anger and that helps a lot.

By meditation I mean, sitting in silence with my eyes closed just thinking about relaxing or of nothing at all.

But my patience is low for bullshit and nonsense and I'm set off easily.

Anger also helps fuel me sometimes too though. Everyone is different i've come to accept and everyone has their unique strengths and weaknesses.

And I leverage my characteristics as best I can because they are what i KNOW.

I know I can leverage my anger. But anger allowed to fester and not transmuted, like sex, is toxic...

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Even if masturbation can be of some help, I've closed that option off. so its not on the table as a thing to do, ever again.

[Mercenary]

(10-05-2017 01:49 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

This is very interesting. I've been going a month now and I'm definitely less angry. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

During your first 90 days, emotions will go up as well as down or just flatline.
There is no set pattern which is the same for all men.
However, all men get lots of physical and mental benefits when they stop masturbating.
That cannot be disputed.

[Lights]

Excuse I'm gonna rant a little bit.

The best benefit of this for me is when I get an idea in my head, I'll get a fire in me to execute it NOW. To push. It's that impatience.

Like, I'll have a self talk where I'll talk to shit to myself. I'll motivate myself to do something.

Yesterday I was frustrated that I didn't want to read Don Quixote, the book I happen to own right now.

I made a pact to only own two books at a time.

So I went to a barnes and noble and said I wouldn't leave until I read an entire book. I knocked out three books on philosophy. For no other reason than to pep talk my self after, I said "there you go bitch"

You'll get that feeling too. You will.

I'm on the come up though. Lived in Minot NOrth Dakota for 2 1/2 years, working in food service. I said, bitch you gotta leave.

What am I doing, working as a cook in North Dakota.

so I bounce to Minneapolis, the closest city. I get a job as a cook the first day.
It's not glamourous. But I made up my mind. This is my skill right now. That's it. We're gonna make it work.

You will too. Youll figure out a way.

I can't find a place to stay. "Motherfucker, you're living in your car then."

A 1986 Oldsmobile.

Okay.

Lived in that. I don't care what anybody thinks or says.

I end up buying a van and living in that, so I can be mobile.

One time I got two days off and I said I have to make money I can't just sit around so I said "Motherfucker, stand on a highway exit and ask for money"

So I got some bottled waters on a hot day and sold them on the highway for 5 hours.

I made $12.

NExt week days off I went thrifting to sell some shit on ebay.

Made $30.

There's some days I don't fee like doing anything. I'm pretty sure I'm bipolar.

I've had suicidal thoughts regularly since I was 15. Totally involuntary.

Bouts of deep depression.

I don't beat myself up over it now. It happens. Maybe its like grieving.

It's gonna happen. But not for too long. "Alright motherfucker, let's get going."

I make my living as a cook. $14/hr.

I'm getting better every day that I meditate and do no fap.

I don't want to wait until the end to post my testimony. You know. This is it, the process.

I'm 30 y/0, I work as a cook making 14/hr. Is that acceptable.

No that's DISGUSTING.

That's repulsive. But this is my journey.

I could put a bunch of qualifiers. But no, those are the stark facts.

And it's not good.

You might be in a bad place where you are not satisfied.

The change is not always glamorous. Its boring and tedious and grinding inch by fucking inch. even when i feel disgusted with myself and my situation.

knowing the gap between my now and my potential. and beating my fucking brain every day like a jockeys riding crop to get with the fucking program.

trying to translate all my previous experience into something new.

<<all my fucking off had to count for something right?>>

the pain. the embarrassment.

no fap has given me the courage, the emotional space, to gather up and proceed DESPITE that.

no glory. just a tortuous emotional, spiritual, mental grind.

I'm chipping away and I can see my vision for the future now. I'm attacking that vision. ANd I owe it to 'nofap'. why.

because of the drive, the hunger to improve. I'm afraid sometimes of things... of what if my van breaks down and what then. but i have the courage to face that fear now.

To anyone who is in a shitty situation. Its ok. Later it will be part of your testimony. Your history.

Before I was afraid to face things without drinking, or some substance. But now I want to see my horror with open eyes. And I now this is the step toward healing.

This is the step toward rebuilding.

I've given away all my posessions practically. But I carry a different burden. My duty. My duty as a man to see that potential through. Even if it takes me out.

Scratching and clawing.

[Lucky]

Day 32.

I am overwhelmingly horny. Crazy mood swings. The worst part is I am working on multiple projects and all I can think about is pussy

Admittedly I have been weighing my options here. If I don't finish up my current projects I'm fucked. But at the moment it seems like I can't finish them because I'm so horny I cannot focus.

I'm trying to keep my mind on the benefits. I'm definitely getting more eye contact from girls, deeper voice, much more confident. I just chose the busiest time of my life to do this shit.

Now debating whether to fuck this chubby girl on Bumble just to get a release. I've never fucked a fat girl. But horniness is becoming be a serious productivity issue for me.

[redbeard]

It's funny how the closer you get to the finish line, the tougher the road becomes.

I'm 2 weeks from completing a year of NoFap...but last night I had a dream that I jerked off at a strip club. Strange yes, but I woke up freaking out thinking I actually did it.

Now that I'm out and about...I'm even more focused on completing the year. I've made the final turn and see the straightaway.

[Sam Malone]

(10-05-2017 01:06 AM)Lights Wrote:  

Now at 90+ days I see sex differently. I'm not just looking for a hole to fuck. I'm looking for a girl to worship me.

+1

Using a chick I banged earlier this year as an example, she wouldn't give head. Always avoided it. Had no issue banging raw (closed at the first meet), or giving a handjob, but wouldn't go down. Never outright stated that she "doesn't do that", but short of my grabbing her hair and forcing her to do it (which is what I now know I should have done), she always found a way to avoid it whenever I/we were in a position where it would have been a natural progression.

Before NPNF (and the forum), I would have been absolutely ecstatic to get a handjob.

Now if a chick doesn't want to give head, I don't even consider her a serious buyer.

[Striking]

Nofap is the hardest thing in the world when you have a strong libido. I can literally fap 3 times in a day and then fuck a girl that same night--the entire night--without problem.

How in the hell do you stop?? And what do you do with all the sexual energy?

[Lights]

(10-06-2017 09:56 AM)Lucky Wrote:  

Day 32.

Now debating whether to fuck this chubby girl on Bumble just to get a release. I've never fucked a fat girl. But horniness is becoming be a serious productivity issue for me.

My two cents.

Dont do that. I did that and wish I could take it back.

Literally could not concentrate on any task because I was so horny. Fucked a fat girl, had to knock a couple shots back to do it. Fast Forward I'm jacking off like 4 times a day?? Again? Backwards progress.

If you meditate or just sit still with your eyes closed, you can take all that energy in your sexual region and move it around in your body, then transmute that into your work tasks.

That feeling of lust will get you into trouble if you don't control it and master it. It will lead you to do something silly like have sex with a pig. No. Because you're not thinking anymore.

When youre sexual urges become overwhelming there is a problem. Think with your big brain and your heart. Not your penis. Okay.

Quote:

Nofap is the hardest thing in the world when you have a strong libido. I can literally fap 3 times in a day and then fuck a girl that same night--the entire night--without problem.

How in the hell do you stop?? And what do you do with all the sexual energy?

I had a strong libido as well. And I'd say a lot of guys that do no fap do have healthy strong libidos. The problem among other things is the mental wiring.

Looking back, porn consumption turned me into an animal. Animalistic. A woman in front of me was not a woman anymore, I was not in tune to the present anymore, she was essentially a fuck doll. My brain was not in tune to little nuances anymore and was unhealthy.

When I tried to quit it seemed like my libido was out of control and I had to fuck. All my attention was on my penis. When I saw a woman I thought of fucking her. Or had to jack off. It seemed impossible. That was actually not the case. I was fucked up in my head. After two weeks that desire to have sex all the time went away.

If you feel the need to have sex 5 times a day then whatever, just avoid pornography, it screws up your mind. But in my opinion lack of control of your sexual urges is a weakness. If you look at a women and think of fucking her that's a weakness.

If you read pimp literature, you see they have extreme self discipline when it comes to sex. It puts modern men to shame. It's like, the whole game niche on the internet and starting with Neil Strauss's book was just about getting sex with 'hot' girls or at least getting women available to us, social proof, but now, more so, it's just about sex. and the ROI isn't there for that. Just sex? Really? We're getting shortchanged on the deal if its about sex.

Pimps know with women it's about the mind, and to hear guys relapsing on porn and having to have sex all the time. We're supposed to be more disciplined than regular guys. I think this is an issue we're not addressing as a community of exceptional men.

It's all about mental mastery. The thing is when I look at women now, 3 months in, I only see a hole to fuck, because women arent exactly women anymore. No I'm realizing it's not me, its the women. Or society. Or the environment, or something.

Know what I mean.

[Ski pro]

(10-05-2017 03:24 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 01:49 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

This is very interesting. I've been going a month now and I'm definitely less angry. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

During your first 90 days, emotions will go up as well as down or just flatline.
There is no set pattern which is the same for all men.
However, all men get lots of physical and mental benefits when they stop masturbating.
That cannot be disputed.

I cannot seem to find a consensus on this in this thread. By stop masturbating you mean to porn.? It's the fapping to porn which I understand to be the biggest issue here. It's a very destructive thing.

[redbeard]

(10-07-2017 09:49 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 03:24 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 01:49 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

This is very interesting. I've been going a month now and I'm definitely less angry. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

During your first 90 days, emotions will go up as well as down or just flatline.
There is no set pattern which is the same for all men.
However, all men get lots of physical and mental benefits when they stop masturbating.
That cannot be disputed.

I cannot seem to find a consensus on this in this thread. By stop masturbating you mean to porn.? It's the fapping to porn which I understand to be the biggest issue here. It's a very destructive thing.

There are no "one size fits all" solutions (to anything).

Experiment on yourself, only then will you find the answers.