[oldnemesis]

(04-23-2012 11:30 AM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

and the effort is the cold approach. 95% dont want to cold approach and get rejected over and ovr.

No, it only starts there.

The effort is in going out a lot and working while doing so instead of hanging out with your friends, or playing xbox at home. This alone is a lot of work which most people aren't willing to put.

The effort is in keeping yourself presentable and in an acceptable shape all the time - good fitting clothes (which may not necessary be the most comfortable and cheap), exercising, cutting on crappy foods, keeping your apartment in an acceptable condition so it doesn't look like a typical nerd lair basement, and so on.

The effort is in being social much more than you are used to. For a dude who is a book reader type this is significant effort.

The effort is in dealing with the weird, drunk and obnoxious people you'd rather avoid. This one actually might change your personality to the level when your friends cannot even talk to you anymore.

The effort is in risking to bring home a psycho, a stalker, get false rape accusations and so on.

[ABDada]

(04-23-2012 11:26 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

I would speculate that 95% of guys get into the game just to find a girlfriend.

I'd say it's higher than 95% -- not the ones coming here, per se, but the ones taking the red pill initially.

(04-23-2012 11:26 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

And as soon as they learn how much effort it takes, they leave and don't come back.

More like they learn basic game, use it to meet an LTR, get into a monogamous LTR with zero options, and then get one-itis and lose their hand and game techniques.

Girl leaves them for a broke DJ living with his mom, so the guys have to take a second red pill.

(04-23-2012 11:26 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

This is why there will be only very few players around, no matter how much knowledge you'll make available.

This, and the fact that truly being a player in the long run has a large fork in the road: those who only want to be players in the world of sex, and those who want to be players in all of the social circles and financial circles they roll in.

I think once a guy realizes he can be a player in ALL his markets (sex, friends, family, work, etc), he oftentimes disappears from game sites so as not to overshare his secrets to mastery of game techniques.

Game is important for more than sex. Sex isn't even the primary reason to know game, IMHO.

Master confidence and self-assuredness, and don't keep all your eggs in one basket in ANY aspect of your life, and the sex will appear constantly.

[Samseau]

The best way to score an LTR is to be very attractive to women; i.e. become a player.

If you can fuck dozens of women per year, then getting that one girlfriend will be a snap. You'll have so much power and options over the women you fuck grabbing a relationship will be easy.


But most guys are too fucking stupid to accept the hypergamous reality of women, and instead focus on trying to bag one girl at a time, wasting their life away with porn and endless forms of entertainment.

I think these guys are pathetic, but that's just me.

[Giovonny]

(04-25-2012 12:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

wasting their life away with porn and endless forms of entertainment.

hahaha

The modern mans lifestyle - sit on the couch and search for electronic entertainment!!

It is pathetic, isn't it ?!?!?

[Samseau]

(04-25-2012 12:36 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 12:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

wasting their life away with porn and endless forms of entertainment.

hahaha

The modern mans lifestyle - sit on the couch and search for electronic entertainment!!

It is pathetic, isn't it ?!?!?

It's okay in moderation. But doing it 24/7...

[Veloce]

I was gonna say, everyone has their limits to how often they can go out...there's gotta be something to do in the downtime. What better way to enforce my beliefs about women then watching them getting gang banged =)

[Sebastian]

What would be the best way? Just going to bars several times a week chasing after women?
OR do things that's constructive and meet women through that way?

I have a friend who goes to bar couple times a week and do nothing else. He gets trash chicks sometimes but that's all.
I've been telling let's try 'lame' things like cooking class, salsa lesson, yoga, wine event, concert etc but he refuses to do it and do the same thing every week.

(04-25-2012 12:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to score an LTR is to be very attractive to women; i.e. become a player.

If you can fuck dozens of women per year, then getting that one girlfriend will be a snap. You'll have so much power and options over the women you fuck grabbing a relationship will be easy.


But most guys are too fucking stupid to accept the hypergamous reality of women, and instead focus on trying to bag one girl at a time, wasting their life away with porn and endless forms of entertainment.

I think these guys are pathetic, but that's just me.

[Sebastian]

because it feels like you are walking on the log, all the time.

It's like being in a sales. some people might do it to feed their family, some doesn't have a choice, the few actually enjoys doing it.

who wants to have sales job? you have to constantly meet the goal.
It's better to have some job that pays you stable salary as long as you do reasonable work without getting stressed out daily basis.

(04-23-2012 11:30 AM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 11:26 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-22-2012 02:03 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

The past few weeks I've noticed an influx of mostly new members asking and talking about LTRs/finding wives/families/etc.. What's the deal? I know some guys get into game so they can finally get a girlfriend, but I don't feel that is what this forum is about.

I would speculate that 95% of guys get into the game just to find a girlfriend.
And as soon as they learn how much effort it takes, they leave and don't come back.
This is why there will be only very few players around, no matter how much knowledge you'll make available.

and the effort is the cold approach. 95% dont want to cold approach and get rejected over and ovr.

[johnw28]

The reality is all things come to an end. And learning game is the best way to increase your chances of having a good long term relationship. It allows you to build self value, how to talk to women and find the one you want. Being a player is fun, however many people have an end game. For me it would be great to pass the knowledge that I have learned onto another generation. International game is truely different than US game and for me it great to learn more all the time. My father taught me a lot about women and told me to search internationally to find a woman who acts like one and wants to be one.

[snoop]

(04-22-2012 02:03 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

The past few weeks I've noticed an influx of mostly new members asking and talking about LTRs/finding wives/families/etc.. What's the deal? I know some guys get into game so they can finally get a girlfriend, but I don't feel that is what this forum is about. There are other places for that. Maybe I'm wrong and Roosh needs to set me straight about what the focus is here, but I just feel like this whole LTR and marriage talk doesn't fit with the forums mentality.

Isn't this a forum for players who want to travel and fuck girls? Not a forum for people to learn game and travel to a foreign country so they can get themselves into a LTR or find a wife?

Has anyone else noticed an increase in this kind of talk, or am just hungry and pissy right now?

Do you expect everyone to have the same definition of "game"?

Football and basketball are completely different "games". Is is not possible for those worlds to cross to create some kind of benefit, possibly to both sides?

What does it matter to you that their goals are different if some of the same principles can be applied, why shouldn't they be discussed?

[WanderingSoul]

(04-25-2012 08:49 PM)snoop Wrote:  

Do you expect everyone to have the same definition of "game"?

Football and basketball are completely different "games". Is is not possible for those worlds to cross to create some kind of benefit, possibly to both sides?

What does it matter to you that their goals are different if some of the same principles can be applied, why shouldn't they be discussed?

Because the board ends up with a bunch of betas with no game who are just looking for a girlfriend because they are unable to obtain one as opposed to bettering themselves and fixing the root of the problem.

They don't really care about learning game, they just care about finding the quickest way to a LTR.

If you have a bunch of guys just looking for a LTR, the quality of game knowledge on this forum will go down because people will learn just enough to get a girl and then they will be done. Not to mention, it will be filled with a bunch of guys with a beta mentality.

[snoop]

(04-26-2012 12:17 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 08:49 PM)snoop Wrote:  

Do you expect everyone to have the same definition of "game"?

Football and basketball are completely different "games". Is is not possible for those worlds to cross to create some kind of benefit, possibly to both sides?

What does it matter to you that their goals are different if some of the same principles can be applied, why shouldn't they be discussed?

Because the board ends up with a bunch of betas with no game who are just looking for a girlfriend because they are unable to obtain one as opposed to bettering themselves and fixing the root of the problem.

They don't really care about learning game, they just care about finding the quickest way to a LTR.

If you have a bunch of guys just looking for a LTR, the quality of game knowledge on this forum will go down because people will learn just enough to get a girl and then they will be done. Not to mention, it will be filled with a bunch of guys with a beta mentality.

To get one, aren't they typically going to have to fix the root of the problem?

And who says that people in a LTR cannot have or contribute game? Why are those two mutually exclusive?

[reaper23]

i think my game has to be tighter than ever in a LTR

[WanderingSoul]

(04-26-2012 07:34 AM)snoop Wrote:  

To get one, aren't they typically going to have to fix the root of the problem?

And who says that people in a LTR cannot have or contribute game? Why are those two mutually exclusive?

No, to get one they might not have to fix the root of the problem. Getting good with girls and being able to continue to this forum in that area requires much more than getting ONE girl to like you. How do you think so many betas with zero game end up in LTRs, end up married to a wife they end up hating, and having 4 kids and miserable lives? Because they were so good at game? No.

People in a LTR *could* contribute to game, if they have some. I'm not talking about people with good game who end up in a LTR, that is bound to happen to many people. I'm talking about, as I've already mentioned if you read what I've wrote, guys who come here asking how to get a LTR when they have no game. Guys asking questions such as "Which country in SA should I move to to get a LTR?" and things like this. These types of people are not going to be able to contribute shit around here, and it is a different mentality than the majority on this forum.

However, I do find it interesting that most of the people who seem to have a problem with my opinion are sub 100 post members who no one knows a thing about and haven't been around enough to contribute much.

I think a forum such as PostMasculine.com is a much better place for this type of "game". http://postmasculine.com/forum/Thread-A-...ding-Roosh

[WanderingSoul]

(04-26-2012 08:40 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

i think my game has to be tighter than ever in a LTR

I disagree. I think it takes much tighter game to pull several new girls per month than it does to keep one girl hanging around for a few months. I fucked 25 new girls last year. I could have easily snagged a LTR with one or two of those girls as opposed to pulling a new one every 2 weeks.

But now I'm done posting on this topic. I already said what I wanted to say. I don't feel like reiterating it for every newbie who want's to try to argue his point by intentionally misconstruing what I have written just so they can disagree with me. This wasn't directed at reaper23, btw.

[oldnemesis]

(04-25-2012 12:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to score an LTR is to be very attractive to women; i.e. become a player.

Being a player won't help you to score and keep an LTR. A lot of sex, yes. An LTR? No.

If you need to choose a single important factor, I'd choose a lot of money (think Hugh Hepher). Not only it would bring you the girls you'd otherwise have no chance to have an LTR with (think celebrities - sure you might fuck them with your player skills but LTR? nope), but it would also work the same when you're 60, 70 or 80.

Quote:

If you can fuck dozens of women per year, then getting that one girlfriend will be a snap.

You're repeating the same mistake as you did before. LTR is not about getting a girlfriend, it is about keeping the one. This is why it is called "long term relationship".

Quote:

But most guys are too fucking stupid to accept the hypergamous reality of women, and instead focus on trying to bag one girl at a time, wasting their life away with porn and endless forms of entertainment.

If all one wants is to fuck two dozens different of women a year, he doesn't need to learn game at all. Investing into making more money and visiting hookers would have much higher ROI.

[oldnemesis]

Interestingly I've met yesterday a dude in his late 40s who has been a playa for a while (and yes, I've tested him on that and he passed). We had a couple hours conversation while drinking downstairs in a hotel bar, and then the young cute whore came in, he got there almost immediately and after thirty second conversation they left upstairs. Today we met again at breakfast and left the hotel together, so I asked him about it. And he said that once the time becomes more valuable than money, and once you open your mind enough you basically stick to whores because they provide the best ROI. And I can see it; think of it - all it took was a 30-second "pickup" and 40 euro to get a chick - one would otherwise spend 3-4 hours with trying to pick her up for real.

What he said is that Western guys usually take it longer to understand it than locals (I'm in Romania now) because even though they make better money (and therefore their time is more valuable), they have more blocks in their heads which prevents them from paying for sex. He said though that most guys get rid of those between the age of 40-50, and eventually pretty much everyone gets there.

However this wasn't what surprised me (I have the same belief). What did, though, was that he was openly disappointed about the time he wasted chasing women around when being young instead of just paying them. And that's what he told me - dude, eventually you'd be there too, and you would be sorry for all the effort you put into that.

Which now keeps me thinking about it. Do I feel sorry about some other stuff I spent a lot of time learning, which I have no use anymore? But I can't come up with a single example. Do you guys?

[oldnemesis]

(04-25-2012 11:30 AM)ABDada Wrote:  

Game is important for more than sex. Sex isn't even the primary reason to know game, IMHO.

Yep. To be a player, and to stay a player this must be the belief for you to hold. You must be interested in the process much more than you're interested in the result. The question one should ask themselves would probably be, if I could easily fuck pretty much every woman in the world without any effort, would I still learn and practice game?

[Greek kamaki]

(04-26-2012 09:07 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Interestingly I've met yesterday a dude in his late 40s who has been a playa for a while (and yes, I've tested him on that and he passed). We had a couple hours conversation while drinking downstairs in a hotel bar, and then the young cute whore came in, he got there almost immediately and after thirty second conversation they left upstairs. Today we met again at breakfast and left the hotel together, so I asked him about it. And he said that once the time becomes more valuable than money, and once you open your mind enough you basically stick to whores because they provide the best ROI. And I can see it; think of it - all it took was a 30-second "pickup" and 40 euro to get a chick - one would otherwise spend 3-4 hours with trying to pick her up for real.

What he said is that Western guys usually take it longer to understand it than locals (I'm in Romania now) because even though they make better money (and therefore their time is more valuable), they have more blocks in their heads which prevents them from paying for sex. He said though that most guys get rid of those between the age of 40-50, and eventually pretty much everyone gets there.

However this wasn't what surprised me (I have the same belief). What did, though, was that he was openly disappointed about the time he wasted chasing women around when being young instead of just paying them. And that's what he told me - dude, eventually you'd be there too, and you would be sorry for all the effort you put into that.

Which now keeps me thinking about it. Do I feel sorry about some other stuff I spent a lot of time learning, which I have no use anymore? But I can't come up with a single example. Do you guys?

I agree with him.When I was younger I had no idea how many women give it for small money.It is a knowledge I wished I had earlier on.Unfortunately society never passes on time this crucial information it is like a commonly known secret of the female world.

[Giovonny]

(04-26-2012 08:44 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I think a forum such as PostMasculine.com is a much better place for this type of "game". http://postmasculine.com/forum/Thread-A-...ding-Roosh

I'm pretty sure that guy "Mark" is a member here at Roosh. I had a few exchanges with him and even did some pm'ing back and forth with him. Now, he is over there talking shit about Roosh?!?!? wtf???

[Samseau]

(04-26-2012 09:07 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Interestingly I've met yesterday a dude in his late 40s who has been a playa for a while (and yes, I've tested him on that and he passed). We had a couple hours conversation while drinking downstairs in a hotel bar, and then the young cute whore came in, he got there almost immediately and after thirty second conversation they left upstairs. Today we met again at breakfast and left the hotel together, so I asked him about it. And he said that once the time becomes more valuable than money, and once you open your mind enough you basically stick to whores because they provide the best ROI. And I can see it; think of it - all it took was a 30-second "pickup" and 40 euro to get a chick - one would otherwise spend 3-4 hours with trying to pick her up for real.

What he said is that Western guys usually take it longer to understand it than locals (I'm in Romania now) because even though they make better money (and therefore their time is more valuable), they have more blocks in their heads which prevents them from paying for sex. He said though that most guys get rid of those between the age of 40-50, and eventually pretty much everyone gets there.

However this wasn't what surprised me (I have the same belief). What did, though, was that he was openly disappointed about the time he wasted chasing women around when being young instead of just paying them. And that's what he told me - dude, eventually you'd be there too, and you would be sorry for all the effort you put into that.

Which now keeps me thinking about it. Do I feel sorry about some other stuff I spent a lot of time learning, which I have no use anymore? But I can't come up with a single example. Do you guys?

Most men do not desire sex merely for it's own sake. They want the woman to desire them back as well, it's far more pleasurable.

[Roosh]

Kamaki: how old are you? You're in your late 30's, 40s?

Many guys here like the chase. Paying for prostitutes, while easy, does not give them the "high" of conquest that serves to validate our masculinity in a world where we don't have other ways to validate it.

The actual orgasm, the nut, is a factor but not the main one.

[Samseau]

(04-26-2012 08:52 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 12:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to score an LTR is to be very attractive to women; i.e. become a player.

Being a player won't help you to score and keep an LTR. A lot of sex, yes. An LTR? No.

If you need to choose a single important factor, I'd choose a lot of money (think Hugh Hepher). Not only it would bring you the girls you'd otherwise have no chance to have an LTR with (think celebrities - sure you might fuck them with your player skills but LTR? nope), but it would also work the same when you're 60, 70 or 80.

Quote:

If you can fuck dozens of women per year, then getting that one girlfriend will be a snap.

You're repeating the same mistake as you did before. LTR is not about getting a girlfriend, it is about keeping the one. This is why it is called "long term relationship".

Quote:

But most guys are too fucking stupid to accept the hypergamous reality of women, and instead focus on trying to bag one girl at a time, wasting their life away with porn and endless forms of entertainment.

If all one wants is to fuck two dozens different of women a year, he doesn't need to learn game at all. Investing into making more money and visiting hookers would have much higher ROI.

So many rich guys get divorced, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're also wrong about game not helping keep a woman, because the best way to keep a woman is to remain an attractive man, which means keeping your game tight.

[soup]

(04-26-2012 12:38 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Kamaki: how old are you? You're in your late 30's, 40s?

Many guys here like the chase. Paying for prostitutes, while easy, does not give them the "high" of conquest that serves to validate our masculinity in a world where we don't have other ways to validate it.

The actual orgasm, the nut, is a factor but not the main one.

Roosh, this is interesting, because most game guys would preach that validation seeking kills game. I think that it's honest to say that we do seek a sort validation, and that's one of the core reasons why go after women. But it doesn't have to be validation from one women. If it was just about orgasm, we would just fap.

It's a comforting sense of power and freedom to be able to break the 'rules' of most normal social interactions and to pretty much be able to tap ass wherever whenever you want.

[oldnemesis]

(04-26-2012 12:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Most men do not desire sex merely for it's own sake. They want the woman to desire them back as well, it's far more pleasurable.

This creates an interesting question. If the main value is coming from her desiring the real you, why game? You do understand that the reason she's having sex with you is because you put her through the emotional ride using the psychology tricks (that's basically game). She is not having sex with you because she likes you; she'd go with any other dude doing the same to her. In essence she doesn't like you, she liked your game, which is something you've got good at. What's then the difference versus her liking your money, which is something you've got good at? A philosophical question I guess.

And how long would it last? During the last three years I slowly came to a point where I realized that the validation doesn't matter to me anymore. Partially this was an effect of living in America where you're being praised for just not shitting your pants - but most of it comes indeed from my understanding that the way the majority of this world thinks is so different from mine that their opinion is essentially useless to me.