[Pilgrim37]

(04-02-2012 12:31 PM)makher Wrote:  

I am abroad in Asia (loosely defined) but in a country and situation conducive to working, not living. I intend to decamp for Europe or Asia-Pacific once I reach the appropriate level of savings; once there I will begin life in earnest. The countries I am looking the closest at are Sweden, Germany, Great Britain and Australia.

In a way, I am waiting out the economic storm in Europe. I would prefer to settle there rather than Australia. However, the economic scene is Europe is uninviting at the moment. Although I'll have plenty of money, I've no stellar ideas for starting a business and anticipate going to work for someone else in my adopted country.

My game plan is to take an advanced degree in my target country and use the degree as a means to finding employment, finagling a visa and fully integrating myself language-wise.

So, five years hence, hopefully I'll find myself in a corporate role abroad, earning a decent salary and unmarried but in a serious relationship with a native bird. I like larger, pulsing cities so perhaps I would settle in the capital city of one of the countries I've named.

The alternative to countries I named earlier would be Argentina. If I went, I would go as an entrepreneur, since wages are so low there.

I really feel like the expatriate life is the only way to live. Going home would be a defeat. I stay abroad from pride as much as any other reason. Roosh's recent posts have really inspired me, though I have been committed to this "foreign" path for years now...

Share your game plan.

"I really feel like the expatriate life is the only way to live. Going home would be a defeat. I stay abroad from pride as much as any other reason. Roosh's recent posts have really inspired me, though I have been committed to this "foreign" path for years now..."

What's your home country?
Is it that bad you don't want to live there?

[rudebwoy]

(04-03-2012 11:19 AM)makher Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 08:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I lived away for 5 years and returned to Canada, yes the life is good here but socially it sucks. I have obviously changed and I am ready to move again, hopefully for a longer stint. I am a little worried b/c I think this is something I will never grow out of unless something major happens (e'g kid comes along).

BnB - love your analysis. Can I ask where you are now or planning on being.?

Makhler - that is quite a list of countries, curious why such a diversified list?

I'm black and for obvious reasons would prefer to settle in a country where my ethnicity is no great liability -- professionally or romantically. For this reason, I've excluded countries like Brazil and Colombia. For me, it doesn't make sense to hop from a country with a fraught racial past to another country with an equally fraught racial past. My experiences with Swedes and Germans and Australians and Brits have given me a comfort level sufficient to give their countries a go. The countries I've mentioned are far from paradises but I've had the warmest impressions in and from those countries.

Another big factor for me is the economic situation in the country. To my mind, it doesn't make sense as a job seeker to leave an economy with 9% unemployment for an economy with 14% or 24% unemployment. For this reason, countries like Spain and Portugal haven't garnered too much of my attention.

So here's the breakdown:

Germany: robust economy, I enjoy the drinking culture and food, people in the west are quite evolved and sociable.

Sweden: highly evolved people, economy less robust than Germany, major downside would be decreased earning potential (for the path I would take) and heavy taxation.

United Kingdom: anemic economy but my love of the people would be a compensation

Australia: bangin' economy and sociable people, somewhat uncertain about how I'd would be received by the native women, significant downside is that the country reminds me a lot of my home country --- car infested cities, atrocious American style architecture and urban planning, the other problem is physical proximity to the rest of the world

Well, it looks like we are almost in the same boat, I am also black and looking for a place to escape too.

Sweden is also on my radar, after visiting a few times. I feel though it would be a tough country to live in, the job market is pretty tough even for swedes. I also feel they do not have that melting pot attitude that Canada/USA/UK has, so you are always viewed as a foreigner which might start to be annoying after awhile.
I hear the winters are long, even longer than the Canadian winters which might be a drag afterwhile.

UK - despite what you may hear, there are good opportunities there for people with skills. The downside is the place is expensive to live but can be alot of fun and is the gateway to Europe.

[makher]

(04-03-2012 02:19 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 12:31 PM)makher Wrote:  

I am abroad in Asia (loosely defined) but in a country and situation conducive to working, not living. I intend to decamp for Europe or Asia-Pacific once I reach the appropriate level of savings; once there I will begin life in earnest. The countries I am looking the closest at are Sweden, Germany, Great Britain and Australia.

In a way, I am waiting out the economic storm in Europe. I would prefer to settle there rather than Australia. However, the economic scene is Europe is uninviting at the moment. Although I'll have plenty of money, I've no stellar ideas for starting a business and anticipate going to work for someone else in my adopted country.

My game plan is to take an advanced degree in my target country and use the degree as a means to finding employment, finagling a visa and fully integrating myself language-wise.

So, five years hence, hopefully I'll find myself in a corporate role abroad, earning a decent salary and unmarried but in a serious relationship with a native bird. I like larger, pulsing cities so perhaps I would settle in the capital city of one of the countries I've named.

The alternative to countries I named earlier would be Argentina. If I went, I would go as an entrepreneur, since wages are so low there.

I really feel like the expatriate life is the only way to live. Going home would be a defeat. I stay abroad from pride as much as any other reason. Roosh's recent posts have really inspired me, though I have been committed to this "foreign" path for years now...

Share your game plan.

"I really feel like the expatriate life is the only way to live. Going home would be a defeat. I stay abroad from pride as much as any other reason. Roosh's recent posts have really inspired me, though I have been committed to this "foreign" path for years now..."

What's your home country?
Is it that bad you don't want to live there?

It's just uncomfortable. I see people living horrendous lives and I want to avoid that myself. I also see what I call "half-men": those adult males who have utterly failed to cultivate themselves mentally and physically. You pity them a little, you despise them a little. I see youth squandered in cubicles and desperate cities. The political scene (loosely defined) makes for grotesque entertainment, of course; but it also inhibits (witness Roosh's martyrdom). The price for a girl is out of line with her value (and I don't mean hookers).

I don't delude myself that these issues are unique to my country, but in leaving, I insulate myself a little. There are things I can turn a blind eye to which increase the quality of my life.

[makher]

(04-03-2012 08:27 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:19 AM)makher Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 08:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I lived away for 5 years and returned to Canada, yes the life is good here but socially it sucks. I have obviously changed and I am ready to move again, hopefully for a longer stint. I am a little worried b/c I think this is something I will never grow out of unless something major happens (e'g kid comes along).

BnB - love your analysis. Can I ask where you are now or planning on being.?

Makhler - that is quite a list of countries, curious why such a diversified list?

I'm black and for obvious reasons would prefer to settle in a country where my ethnicity is no great liability -- professionally or romantically. For this reason, I've excluded countries like Brazil and Colombia. For me, it doesn't make sense to hop from a country with a fraught racial past to another country with an equally fraught racial past. My experiences with Swedes and Germans and Australians and Brits have given me a comfort level sufficient to give their countries a go. The countries I've mentioned are far from paradises but I've had the warmest impressions in and from those countries.

Another big factor for me is the economic situation in the country. To my mind, it doesn't make sense as a job seeker to leave an economy with 9% unemployment for an economy with 14% or 24% unemployment. For this reason, countries like Spain and Portugal haven't garnered too much of my attention.

So here's the breakdown:

Germany: robust economy, I enjoy the drinking culture and food, people in the west are quite evolved and sociable.

Sweden: highly evolved people, economy less robust than Germany, major downside would be decreased earning potential (for the path I would take) and heavy taxation.

United Kingdom: anemic economy but my love of the people would be a compensation

Australia: bangin' economy and sociable people, somewhat uncertain about how I'd would be received by the native women, significant downside is that the country reminds me a lot of my home country --- car infested cities, atrocious American style architecture and urban planning, the other problem is physical proximity to the rest of the world

Well, it looks like we are almost in the same boat, I am also black and looking for a place to escape too.

Sweden is also on my radar, after visiting a few times. I feel though it would be a tough country to live in, the job market is pretty tough even for swedes. I also feel they do not have that melting pot attitude that Canada/USA/UK has, so you are always viewed as a foreigner which might start to be annoying after awhile.
I hear the winters are long, even longer than the Canadian winters which might be a drag afterwhile.

UK - despite what you may hear, there are good opportunities there for people with skills. The downside is the place is expensive to live but can be alot of fun and is the gateway to Europe.

Sweden: My understanding is that proficiency in Swedish is absolutely necessary to integrate yourself into to the labor market. If you are unwilling to go balls to the wall learning it, don't bother.

UK: I only see bad economic news coming out of the country. I may end up there because there is an advantage to being able to navigate the labor market and society overall in your native language. By this I only mean that you will never speak Swedish like you speak English.

[xsplat]

(04-02-2012 04:05 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Interesting BnB

Been living away from England since 2007. A few years in Belgrade, now I have been in Ukraine for almost one year.

The only thing that will drag me back to spending any considerable time in England is family, apart from that I am not interested.

I think i'm at "Phase 2", apart from I have been banging mostly 7's and 8's, now i'm after 8+.

I knew from the start that I couldn't live here, ok the pussy is great, but apart from that there is fuck all, Ukraine has few redeeming qualities apart from the women.

I want to live long term somewhere more civilised, the country that seems to tick most boxes is Brazil, although I have never been

Panama? Uruguay?

I like BNBs phases of expatriation, and agree that most men want at minimum some stages of life that include bonding to a mate.

I don't think that all old men settle into the mud and dust before the big sleep though. Some of us mix up our serial monogamy with bouts of parallel monogamy, and I believe that's sustainable.

And what about adventure? Is that sustainable? Yes, it seems to be, in bouts, at least. Retired people are known to take on lives of endless change.

I've been in SE Asia for a dozen or so years, but if I want a new lease on life, I have the option to discover an entire new world - central and south america. Not as a tourist - I don't really tourist. I prefer to just plop down in a spot for a year or two. Then if I need a new lease on life I should be able to afford first world countries by then, perhaps paris or Tokyo.

I respect my home country, but see no reason to go "back" there, as I don't particularly feel I'm exactly "from" there anymore. I'm from wherever I lay my hat.

[xsplat]

(04-03-2012 10:00 AM)bnb Wrote:  

rudeboy, I'm in Germany but I've been around all over.

I'm 40+ years old so a lot of what I say probably doesn't resonate if you are under 25, stuck inside the US, and can't imagine there being more to life than banging and ballin'.

That'll change. It's a minefield out there, especially in the pussy havens of the world, and it's a rare guy who manages to act the playboy for more than 10+ years without ruining their liver, knocking a girl up, getting psychologically burnt out, picking up some nasty disease, or driving their business/career into the ground.

I think the silver key to it all is having enough money to ride out the rough patches without hitting rock bottom.

You have to keep in mind, a lot of the expats in the pussy havens are prone to self-destructive tendencies to begin with, in one form or another. A few years can be nothing but fun and games. But given time, the old demons start to re-surface and you really have to make an effort to keep balanced and maintain a healthy outlet on life.

There's a lot of truth in that. If alcohol didn't nearly kill me, forcing me to stop, it would have killed me.

But as for money, an entrepreneur can fare better in cheaper countries if his money is earned online. This allows a full time focus even if the return remains minimal for years and years.

But ya, partying hard is not sustainable, either physically or psychologically. And in some countries you'll never get the sense of being surrounded by your own community, unless you can somehow carve out and create a niche community.

[International Cowboy]

(04-03-2012 10:00 AM)bnb Wrote:  

You have to keep in mind, a lot of the expats in the pussy havens are prone to self-destructive tendencies to begin with, in one form or another. A few years can be nothing but fun and games. But given time, the old demons start to re-surface and you really have to make an effort to keep balanced and maintain a healthy outlet on life.

Very well said. A good friend of mine put it this way, "you can run from your problems, but they are YOUR problems so invariably they come with you - same shit different place."

[King Solomon]

(04-03-2012 10:00 AM)bnb Wrote:  

rudeboy, I'm in Germany but I've been around all over.

I'm 40+ years old so a lot of what I say probably doesn't resonate if you are under 25, stuck inside the US, and can't imagine there being more to life than banging and ballin'.

That'll change. It's a minefield out there, especially in the pussy havens of the world, and it's a rare guy who manages to act the playboy for more than 10+ years without ruining their liver, knocking a girl up, getting psychologically burnt out, picking up some nasty disease, or driving their business/career into the ground.

I think the silver key to it all is having enough money to ride out the rough patches without hitting rock bottom.

You have to keep in mind, a lot of the expats in the pussy havens are prone to self-destructive tendencies to begin with, in one form or another. A few years can be nothing but fun and games. But given time, the old demons start to re-surface and you really have to make an effort to keep balanced and maintain a healthy outlet on life.

Generally true. However, I am 41, kids are about grown, and I had a vasectomy 14 years ago. My business/career already went to hell. I'm not much for drinking. My only fear is the 'nasty disease', in the long term. Other than that, I think I could prosper long term. And if the girls you choose are young enough, they will usually wander off of their own accord eventually, allowing you both LTRs and playboy time intermittently.

I would think that the main danger is always trying to fill that "void" in your life, first with sex, then booze, drugs, thrills in general... but if you are at peace with yourself, I imagine you could avoid a lot of the wild swings and prevent any 'old demons' from showing up.

As you said, if you have a base income / cash flow, esp online... and you watch your ass (a good habit overseas) you can prevent these accurate predictions from kicking your ass.

[Pilgrim37]

Most guys without a family or a viable business abroad eventually return home.
If they don't,they still spend a lot of time thinking,talking or searching on the net about it!

[bnb]

Smart move on the vasectomy. Is that reversible by the way? I also hear they'll be coming up with a male contraceptive patch without hormonal side-effects within the next few years.

I should mention that older guys, let's say early 50s to late 60s, are somewhat of an exception to the common expat phases I pointed out before. I've known various sexpats in their 50s and 60s in the pussy havens going about their thing. But I was in my 20s and 30s back then, so we were never in common social circles.

One difference is that many of them were already retired and getting cushy pensions, so the money never ran out. Others had vasectomies so they didn't have to worry about 'accidentally' having a kid either. They were prone to whoring or sponsoring, especially in the Philippines and South America, but I guess this is going to depend on the guy.

Anyhow, to get back to the question, in 5 years I hope to be doing well in my career while not sacrificing the pleasures of life. I've gone through the phase of focusing on the pleasures of life only, ignoring everything else, and trying to fill that void with young flesh just doesn't do it for me. On the other hand, I'm not going to be a celibate monk either.

[King Solomon]

(04-04-2012 11:55 AM)bnb Wrote:  

Smart move on the vasectomy. Is that reversible by the way? I also hear they'll be coming up with a male contraceptive patch without hormonal side-effects within the next few years.

I should mention that older guys, let's say early 50s to late 60s, are somewhat of an exception to the common expat phases I pointed out before. I've known various sexpats in their 50s and 60s in the pussy havens going about their thing. But I was in my 20s and 30s back then, so we were never in common social circles.

One difference is that many of them were already retired and getting cushy pensions, so the money never ran out. Others had vasectomies so they didn't have to worry about 'accidentally' having a kid either. They were prone to whoring or sponsoring, especially in the Philippines and South America, but I guess this is going to depend on the guy.

Anyhow, to get back to the question, in 5 years I hope to be doing well in my career while not sacrificing the pleasures of life. I've gone through the phase of focusing on the pleasures of life only, ignoring everything else, and trying to fill that void with young flesh just doesn't do it for me. On the other hand, I'm not going to be a celibate monk either.

Vasectomies are highly reversible. Your chances of reversing them successfully are not 100%, but damn near. ($5000 to $10,000) When I became single at age 34, I had a few chicks that made me consider doing that, and building a new family. At 41, that is now off the table. So I either have to go for the single moms, or I have to know that the hot chicks without kids will eventually leave me to get with some dude who wants to play house. I would skip any hormonal patch, I've seen what they do to chicks. The vasectomy is brilliant. Never had a problem.

I know myself well enough that I will need to be able to pursue other interests besides young tail, or I will get bored. I've bagged enough tail in life to know that. But I am a writer, and I think that international travel will give me some good ideas and perspectives for some new books... which of course can be a great source of passive internet income.

If nothing else, I can get my spanish tight, and change the game back in the US, if I have to go back home.

Where do I see myself in 5 years? A MGTOW in Colombia, writing, teaching, and poolside with a few latinas. Once my spanish is strong, I am definitely going to check out Brazil too.

[Rurik]

(04-02-2012 02:56 PM)bnb Wrote:  

Having known quite a few expats go through the travel & fuck phase in the pussy havens of the world...I can tell you this is how it generally goes...



Phase 4: Relationship period. Most guys by this time have settled down with a steady girlfriend, even if they are still fucking around on the down low. The weekend hunt just seems too bothersome and tiring to do on a regular basis, especially since the top-tier are still elusive and require luck & effort.

There's no room in this model for multiple simultaneous relationships: ie. "harem style". In the Philippines this is easy, and many girls treat you like a boyfriend, but are fine with you fucking other girls.

[WhoZis]

(04-06-2012 08:35 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

There's no room in this model for multiple simultaneous relationships: ie. "harem style". In the Philippines this is easy, and many girls treat you like a boyfriend, but are fine with you fucking other girls.