I am abroad in Asia (loosely defined) but in a country and situation conducive to working, not living. I intend to decamp for Europe or Asia-Pacific once I reach the appropriate level of savings; once there I will begin life in earnest. The countries I am looking the closest at are Sweden, Germany, Great Britain and Australia.

In a way, I am waiting out the economic storm in Europe. I would prefer to settle there rather than Australia. However, the economic scene is Europe is uninviting at the moment. Although I'll have plenty of money, I've no stellar ideas for starting a business and anticipate going to work for someone else in my adopted country.

My game plan is to take an advanced degree in my target country and use the degree as a means to finding employment, finagling a visa and fully integrating myself language-wise.

So, five years hence, hopefully I'll find myself in a corporate role abroad, earning a decent salary and unmarried but in a serious relationship with a native bird. I like larger, pulsing cities so perhaps I would settle in the capital city of one of the countries I've named.

The alternative to countries I named earlier would be Argentina. If I went, I would go as an entrepreneur, since wages are so low there.

I really feel like the expatriate life is the only way to live. Going home would be a defeat. I stay abroad from pride as much as any other reason. Roosh's recent posts have really inspired me, though I have been committed to this "foreign" path for years now...

Share your game plan.

My game plan is to save up $70,000 to $100,000, go back to San Francisco and start a startup with the goal of hitting $100 million plus.

I love travel, I love meeting women abroad, etc. But if someone asked me if I died today what I'd regret, I'd say I'd regret never having taken a real shot at the big time.

I consider myself an entrepreneur at heart. I've been traveling for almost a year and a half now and I'm glad I did it, but at some point I gotta go home and take that shot.

I find that planning more than one year in advance is tough because my new experiences constantly change my wants and desires. In 5 years I'd like to have the income to live wherever I want to at that point. There's no way I can guess now.

Also I want to start thinking about gaining a residency visa in another country.

Quote: (04-02-2012 02:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also I want to start thinking about gaining a residency visa in another country.

Paraguay! No need to live there during the process.

Having known quite a few expats go through the travel & fuck phase in the pussy havens of the world...I can tell you this is how it generally goes...

Phase 1: Honeymoon period. You don't speak the local language, everything is new and wondrous, and more importantly, the women fancy you because you're not a local and you seem to have some cash to spend on the finer things in life. This is when most expats swear off American women, sing the virtues of the local girls (esp. since your relative ignorance of the language & culture allows you the luxury of attributing imaginary traits to them), and you live for the weekend hunt. Sex is in the air.

Phase 2: Post-honeymoon period. You still don't speak the local language very well, but you're more established in the local scene. Whereas before, you were happy to bang local 5s because they'd be considered 7s in the US, your standards start to edge upwards. You become obsessed with accessing the top-tier.

Phase 3: Grass is greener period. You still can't seem to access the top-tier in the quantity and ease you want. They seem to have choices, and even worse, favor the local men with whom they share a common language and cultural rapport with. You become obsessed with going to second-tier cities, or countries that are off the tourist map (in other words, poorer and more redneck) so you can get, what in your mind, are fresh, untainted women.

Phase 4: Relationship period. Most guys by this time have settled down with a steady girlfriend, even if they are still fucking around on the down low. The weekend hunt just seems too bothersome and tiring to do on a regular basis, especially since the top-tier are still elusive and require luck & effort.

Phase 5. Relationship boredom. Guys start to realize that the pussy paradise they thought they found, is actually nothing special at best, and quite possibly a total shit hole with no redeeming qualities -- when chasing girls is no longer part of the equation. At this point, the guy will break up with the girlfriend, knock her up, or become increasingly miserable. Phase 3-5 becomes a repeating cycle for some.

Phase 6. Kid or Return. Between year 5-10, guys will either settle down with a local girl and pop out a kid, or re-locate to a respectable Western country. Some even go back to the U.S. Guys at this point are better able to see the pros and cons of their home country, and their adopted country. They realize that there is no perfect country. There is no pussy paradise. There's just good places for certain periods in your life, but even those are fleeting. Some try to find fulfillment in kids, others in their business, while the sad few go downwards into alcoholism/depression.

bnb:

As for going back to America, you're not accounting for the fact that a sharp degradation in the country would make it easier to stay away. Coming back to America in 2005 is not the same as going back there now.

Really hard to know, I'm not even sure where I'll be in a few months from now, although if I think longer term I'm pretty sure I'll end up back in the UK.

When I think of expats I tend to think of people who stay in a place for a long time so people who are just hanging somewhere for a couple of months then moving on, are these really expats?

I just used the U.S. as an example but it really applies to any Western country guys head back to. I know guys who have gone through pussy delirium return to the U.K., France, Switzerland, or Italy, after anywhere from 3 to 10 years in-country in a pussy haven. A lot of it comes down to money and jobs.

The guys still in-country, usually with their own businesses, are rarely still hunting women on an active basis after the 6th or 7th year, unless they sucked to begin with and haven't gotten their fill yet.

I just think there's a shelf life to this kind of lifestyle. Even someone like George Clooney, I assume, prefers to date monogamously for a stint before getting bored and moving on. Probably a pretty good life, being a rich, sex symbol bachelor into your 50s. But how many of us can lay claim to his looks, fame, fortune, and social network? Us mere mortals have greater limitations of one kind or another, and need to be more realistic.

Interesting BnB

Been living away from England since 2007. A few years in Belgrade, now I have been in Ukraine for almost one year.

The only thing that will drag me back to spending any considerable time in England is family, apart from that I am not interested.

I think i'm at "Phase 2", apart from I have been banging mostly 7's and 8's, now i'm after 8+.

I knew from the start that I couldn't live here, ok the pussy is great, but apart from that there is fuck all, Ukraine has few redeeming qualities apart from the women.

I want to live long term somewhere more civilised, the country that seems to tick most boxes is Brazil, although I have never been

Quote: (04-02-2012 03:28 PM)bnb Wrote:  


I just think there's a shelf life to this kind of lifestyle. Even someone like George Clooney, I assume, prefers to date monogamously for a stint before getting bored and moving on. Probably a pretty good life, being a rich, sex symbol bachelor into your 50s. But how many of us can lay claim to his looks, fame, fortune, and social network? Us mere mortals have greater limitations of one kind or another, and need to be more realistic.

Dude....There's a method to this lifestyle but there isn't "one way" of living it. It's more about appreciating the positive aspects of life that have been totally forgotten or repressed in America society such as productive male-female relationships, self-improvement in areas other than career and enjoyment of life's simplest pleasures. It's regenerative, meaning that once you get it, then there are infinite ways of living it out including being in a monogamous relationship.

I just hope I am still not in the USA in five years.

I lived away for 5 years and returned to Canada, yes the life is good here but socially it sucks. I have obviously changed and I am ready to move again, hopefully for a longer stint. I am a little worried b/c I think this is something I will never grow out of unless something major happens (e'g kid comes along).

BnB - love your analysis. Can I ask where you are now or planning on being.?

Makhler - that is quite a list of countries, curious why such a diversified list?

I'll be the homeless guy standing in front of Emech's biz harassing his customers for coin.

Prison....jks

Life is short. I Am in the gulf middle east and am paying my dues to go to a tropical s.american destination.

Now, there are expatriates who come and go, while others stay and live this life forever. nobody can be pegged in a certain phase I think. We all have our goals and tastes.

As for 5years I assume I will probably be doing the same thing as I am now. Not sure if I will ever return. Why should I? Live like a king on a western salary for example in brazil, or return to Canada and be an average bloke. $70,000 usd in Sao Paolo is much better than The same in Toronto or take your pick of big cities. Yes SP is expensive, but compared to many locals you are better off. Not to mention free accommodation everywhere I go.

But it's not all about money. Lifestyle, surroundings etc. cold winters vs tropical. Longing to return to the rat race and be an average bloke, no thank you. Life is too short. Expatriates have the world to look at as opposed to a single country.

Quote: (04-02-2012 09:51 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

Life is short. I Am in the gulf middle east and am paying my dues to go to a tropical s.american destination.

Now, there are expatriates who come and go, while others stay and live this life forever. nobody can be pegged in a certain phase I think. We all have our goals and tastes.

As for 5years I assume I will probably be doing the same thing as I am now. Not sure if I will ever return. Why should I? Live like a king on a western salary for example in brazil, or return to Canada and be an average bloke. $70,000 usd in Sao Paolo is much better than The same in Toronto or take your pick of big cities. Yes SP is expensive, but compared to many locals you are better off. Not to mention free accommodation everywhere I go.

But it's not all about money. Lifestyle, surroundings etc. cold winters vs tropical. Longing to return to the rat race and be an average bloke, no thank you. Life is too short. Expatriates have the world to look at as opposed to a single country.

Tomtud, what would you need for a month in Sao Paulo? For a decent apartment and basic expenses? "Normal" but comfortable, not high living.

Quote: (04-02-2012 03:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

bnb:

As for going back to America, you're not accounting for the fact that a sharp degradation in the country would make it easier to stay away. Coming back to America in 2005 is not the same as going back there now.

Hi Roosh, what exactly has changed so much since 2005? The economy, women? Could you describe please?

Quote: (04-02-2012 11:20 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

Quote: (04-02-2012 03:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

bnb:

As for going back to America, you're not accounting for the fact that a sharp degradation in the country would make it easier to stay away. Coming back to America in 2005 is not the same as going back there now.

Hi Roosh, what exactly has changed so much since 2005? The economy, women? Could you describe please?

I I can't speak for Roosh but I left Murka in 2011 and from my perspective several things had worsened since 2005.

The bald-faced greed was even worse, nothing was done about the Wall St Vampires crashing the economy and then making off with even more dough from immense taxpayer bailouts. The only guy to go to jail had to steal 50 Billion to get busted.

The politicians are ever-more openly basically direct employees of the above slime-- average congressperson gets a million a campaign from Wall St companies. Obama did nothing to rein in the gargantuan skimming at the top by arbitrage guys who produce no products whatsoever.

Women are ever-more hypergamous as the gloves come off the greed,in particular the obsession with celebrities and the pervasive attempts to make oneself a celebrity via Facewhore etc make them more distant than ever. In addition, the contempt for normal Betas is more and more exaggerated.

Of course, I'm an old guy so a lot of this is stuff a younger person might be inured to. Plus, as you get older attractive women seem meaner, but with all other things equal it's just them filtering you out based on age which is unavoidable.

I think the phases that were described are generally true. Though as has been remarked, The USA is not a country I can see any expat wanting to return, at any age, unless he is extremely sick, old and needs to use Medicare. Maybe a Spaniard or a Frenchman, for example, can return at the later stages of his life, to his country, and find some joy. For me, the US has stopped being my country and what i am looking for now is 2 or 3 places i can call home or become a resident of. Im one who believes you just cant stay in one spot, no matter how good it is, because even alot of young tail gets old after awhile. So for me its finding one city in SE Asia, one in South America and one in Eastern Europe and mixing them up every year. I have a list of candidate cities but need 2 more years of traveling to really decide. I'm glad I have the bank roll to live comfortably in these 3 regions.

Quote: (04-02-2012 02:56 PM)bnb Wrote:  

Having known quite a few expats go through the travel & fuck phase in the pussy havens of the world...I can tell you this is how it generally goes...

Phase 1: Honeymoon period. You don't speak the local language, everything is new and wondrous, and more importantly, the women fancy you because you're not a local and you seem to have some cash to spend on the finer things in life. This is when most expats swear off American women, sing the virtues of the local girls (esp. since your relative ignorance of the language & culture allows you the luxury of attributing imaginary traits to them), and you live for the weekend hunt. Sex is in the air.

Phase 2: Post-honeymoon period. You still don't speak the local language very well, but you're more established in the local scene. Whereas before, you were happy to bang local 5s because they'd be considered 7s in the US, your standards start to edge upwards. You become obsessed with accessing the top-tier.

Phase 3: Grass is greener period. You still can't seem to access the top-tier in the quantity and ease you want. They seem to have choices, and even worse, favor the local men with whom they share a common language and cultural rapport with. You become obsessed with going to second-tier cities, or countries that are off the tourist map (in other words, poorer and more redneck) so you can get, what in your mind, are fresh, untainted women.

Phase 4: Relationship period. Most guys by this time have settled down with a steady girlfriend, even if they are still fucking around on the down low. The weekend hunt just seems too bothersome and tiring to do on a regular basis, especially since the top-tier are still elusive and require luck & effort.

Phase 5. Relationship boredom. Guys start to realize that the pussy paradise they thought they found, is actually nothing special at best, and quite possibly a total shit hole with no redeeming qualities -- when chasing girls is no longer part of the equation. At this point, the guy will break up with the girlfriend, knock her up, or become increasingly miserable. Phase 3-5 becomes a repeating cycle for some.

Phase 6. Kid or Return. Between year 5-10, guys will either settle down with a local girl and pop out a kid, or re-locate to a respectable Western country. Some even go back to the U.S. Guys at this point are better able to see the pros and cons of their home country, and their adopted country. They realize that there is no perfect country. There is no pussy paradise. There's just good places for certain periods in your life, but even those are fleeting. Some try to find fulfillment in kids, others in their business, while the sad few go downwards into alcoholism/depression.

this is so accurate it is scary...

I will be looking for two, maybe three, different countries to create a base. I want my bases to allow easy access to other countries for short visits. I normally get pretty bored being in one place for too long so this may work out better for me.

Life is short. I Am in the gulf middle east and am paying my dues to go to a tropical s.american destination.

Now, there are expatriates who come and go, while others stay and live this life forever. nobody can be pegged in a certain phase I think. We all have our goals and tastes.

As for 5years I assume I will probably be doing the same thing as I am now. Not sure if I will ever return. Why should I? Live like a king on a western salary for example in brazil, or return to Canada and be an average bloke. $70,000 usd in Sao Paolo is much better than The same in Toronto or take your pick of big cities.

But it's not all about money. Lifestyle, surroundings etc. cold winters vs tropical. Longing to return to the rat race and be an average bloke, no thank you. Life is too short. Expatriates have the world to look at as opposed to a single country.

I really don't know but I'd like to be living abroad and moving around every few months or so to a new place, making money online.

rudeboy, I'm in Germany but I've been around all over.

I'm 40+ years old so a lot of what I say probably doesn't resonate if you are under 25, stuck inside the US, and can't imagine there being more to life than banging and ballin'.

That'll change. It's a minefield out there, especially in the pussy havens of the world, and it's a rare guy who manages to act the playboy for more than 10+ years without ruining their liver, knocking a girl up, getting psychologically burnt out, picking up some nasty disease, or driving their business/career into the ground.

I think the silver key to it all is having enough money to ride out the rough patches without hitting rock bottom.

You have to keep in mind, a lot of the expats in the pussy havens are prone to self-destructive tendencies to begin with, in one form or another. A few years can be nothing but fun and games. But given time, the old demons start to re-surface and you really have to make an effort to keep balanced and maintain a healthy outlet on life.

Quote: (04-02-2012 08:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I lived away for 5 years and returned to Canada, yes the life is good here but socially it sucks. I have obviously changed and I am ready to move again, hopefully for a longer stint. I am a little worried b/c I think this is something I will never grow out of unless something major happens (e'g kid comes along).

BnB - love your analysis. Can I ask where you are now or planning on being.?

Makhler - that is quite a list of countries, curious why such a diversified list?

I'm black and for obvious reasons would prefer to settle in a country where my ethnicity is no great liability -- professionally or romantically. For this reason, I've excluded countries like Brazil and Colombia. For me, it doesn't make sense to hop from a country with a fraught racial past to another country with an equally fraught racial past. My experiences with Swedes and Germans and Australians and Brits have given me a comfort level sufficient to give their countries a go. The countries I've mentioned are far from paradises but I've had the warmest impressions in and from those countries.

Another big factor for me is the economic situation in the country. To my mind, it doesn't make sense as a job seeker to leave an economy with 9% unemployment for an economy with 14% or 24% unemployment. For this reason, countries like Spain and Portugal haven't garnered too much of my attention.

So here's the breakdown:

Germany: robust economy, I enjoy the drinking culture and food, people in the west are quite evolved and sociable.

Sweden: highly evolved people, economy less robust than Germany, major downside would be decreased earning potential (for the path I would take) and heavy taxation.

United Kingdom: anemic economy but my love of the people would be a compensation

Australia: bangin' economy and sociable people, somewhat uncertain about how I'd would be received by the native women, significant downside is that the country reminds me a lot of my home country --- car infested cities, atrocious American style architecture and urban planning, the other problem is physical proximity to the rest of the world