Hey all, this is my first post, and I'd like to share some of my thoughts and experiences and, if you like, feel free to give me your input.
My night game mostly consists of bars and clubs for the most part, like so many of you (the house party thing ended after college for the most part (I was most successful with women in the house party environment)). I pretty much always go out solo now. Lately I have been going out at night about 3 times a week. I have noticed a few things regarding night venues:
- The bars with dance floors and very loud music tend to have the youngest and hottest women. Despite never really having a lot of success at clubs and bars I have had the most in the drunken dance floor because it's easier to mingle, but, even here I have never been able to really pull (just makeouts, and brought a pair of chicks home who weren't down for anything). The downside with going to these places is that I know I am damaging my hearing because I get ringing in my ears afterwards (tinnitus) that eventually gets better/hardly noticeable, but, I am afraid that going to these venues might not be worth it if it means permanent hearing damage. I suppose tinnitus just something that all guys have to eventually deal with if they go out enough to bars/nigh clubs with loud music.
- The bars that are fairly quiet don't have the hottest girls. They are seated and after each shutdown by a women your value goes down a little bit in the eyes of other women who may have watched the interaction (who you may also be interested in). I like these bars because they aren't so loud and it's actually possible to talk with others but again they don't have the hottest/youngest girls.
All the women in these establishments are really "cliquey." The just go to dance/drink with their friends or boyfriend, or so it seems to me.
My background: I'm 30 now, been studying game for about 14 years or so, but haven't always put enough effort into it. It was just about a year ago, for example, that I started seriously cold approaching strangers. I tried it around a college campus, once in a mall, etc. I created a spreadsheet. I approached about 45 women or so, got a handful of numbers, none of it panned out; most of the numbers were fakes.
I decided that cold approaching, at least the way I was doing it, was too much work. Now I usually just say hi to them, make some comment about what they are doing, ask them a question, or comment on the weather (or something) (e.g. when standing on a line at the coffee shop I may say, "it looks like it will never stop raining"). I think Roosh does something similar with the elderly openers from what I have read.
And that's all the initial effort I usually put into the interaction after the approach and opener. Then, in my mind, it is up to her to carry the interaction forward if she is interested. I don't do a lot of rambling. I also screen heavily for eye contact and proximity flirtation.
Since on the cold approaches we all experience very high rejection rates I have found just saying something simple conveys enough interest without me seeming needy and without going through rejection. My emotions are not easily hurt, believe it or not, but I believe that psychologically, no matter how strong a man's frame is, he will get messed up mentally after hundreds of more blatant/obvious rejections, even if it does lead to a couple lays. But with a very subtle show of interest, yet, while showing enough interest to make it clear to her that you are being flirty, the rejection isn't very bad. To me the rejection is a lot worse if I engage in too much rambling to try to get her interested/attracted to me (but this is just my personal take), and this makes interacting with female strangers not fun and a drag.
Most of my focus now is on putting myself around women and not doing a ton of outright work/pursuing to get the girl. As aforementioned I will open but not do much afterwards; they have to put work into the interaction (e.g. asking my questions, etc.). When I think of my past bangs it was the girl put in 45-60% of the initial work in the interaction (I would say it was more like 55% on average) and often initiated the interaction herself.
He or she which is the least interested holds the most amount of power in the interaction/relationship.
My game has also started to evolve to focus more and more on leveraging a woman's hypergamous nature, so talk myself up/talk about my credentials/exaggerate my job, etc.
Another observation: beta orbiter social circle style game works the best for the hottest of chicks. These girls don’t meet guys over the internet, they are dealing with too many guys as it is. They don’t meet guys at clubs or bars for the most part but it is not unheard of. They usually meet their b/f’s in college or through the workplace or though social circle. The orbiter stands a chance if he waits in the weeds until her b/f and her break up, or he can indirectly pry her relationship open over time until she is single again.
The more attractive a woman is the LESS slutty she is; she does not HAVE to be slutty and if she is it works against her goals (getting commitment). (As it is the median American women has about 7 lifetime partners (give or take a few), according to what I have read.) The 9s-10′s rarely partake in one-night stands not only because they don’t have to but their relative reduced amount of testosterone (compared to other women) makes them less horny yet also more feminine, which is what made them 9-10′s in the first place. Conversely a fat blob can only offer up her slimy hole and oftentimes they are so happy to just have male attention/a guy to bang that they will bang nearly anyone.
My night game mostly consists of bars and clubs for the most part, like so many of you (the house party thing ended after college for the most part (I was most successful with women in the house party environment)). I pretty much always go out solo now. Lately I have been going out at night about 3 times a week. I have noticed a few things regarding night venues:
- The bars with dance floors and very loud music tend to have the youngest and hottest women. Despite never really having a lot of success at clubs and bars I have had the most in the drunken dance floor because it's easier to mingle, but, even here I have never been able to really pull (just makeouts, and brought a pair of chicks home who weren't down for anything). The downside with going to these places is that I know I am damaging my hearing because I get ringing in my ears afterwards (tinnitus) that eventually gets better/hardly noticeable, but, I am afraid that going to these venues might not be worth it if it means permanent hearing damage. I suppose tinnitus just something that all guys have to eventually deal with if they go out enough to bars/nigh clubs with loud music.
- The bars that are fairly quiet don't have the hottest girls. They are seated and after each shutdown by a women your value goes down a little bit in the eyes of other women who may have watched the interaction (who you may also be interested in). I like these bars because they aren't so loud and it's actually possible to talk with others but again they don't have the hottest/youngest girls.
All the women in these establishments are really "cliquey." The just go to dance/drink with their friends or boyfriend, or so it seems to me.
My background: I'm 30 now, been studying game for about 14 years or so, but haven't always put enough effort into it. It was just about a year ago, for example, that I started seriously cold approaching strangers. I tried it around a college campus, once in a mall, etc. I created a spreadsheet. I approached about 45 women or so, got a handful of numbers, none of it panned out; most of the numbers were fakes.
I decided that cold approaching, at least the way I was doing it, was too much work. Now I usually just say hi to them, make some comment about what they are doing, ask them a question, or comment on the weather (or something) (e.g. when standing on a line at the coffee shop I may say, "it looks like it will never stop raining"). I think Roosh does something similar with the elderly openers from what I have read.
And that's all the initial effort I usually put into the interaction after the approach and opener. Then, in my mind, it is up to her to carry the interaction forward if she is interested. I don't do a lot of rambling. I also screen heavily for eye contact and proximity flirtation.
Since on the cold approaches we all experience very high rejection rates I have found just saying something simple conveys enough interest without me seeming needy and without going through rejection. My emotions are not easily hurt, believe it or not, but I believe that psychologically, no matter how strong a man's frame is, he will get messed up mentally after hundreds of more blatant/obvious rejections, even if it does lead to a couple lays. But with a very subtle show of interest, yet, while showing enough interest to make it clear to her that you are being flirty, the rejection isn't very bad. To me the rejection is a lot worse if I engage in too much rambling to try to get her interested/attracted to me (but this is just my personal take), and this makes interacting with female strangers not fun and a drag.
Most of my focus now is on putting myself around women and not doing a ton of outright work/pursuing to get the girl. As aforementioned I will open but not do much afterwards; they have to put work into the interaction (e.g. asking my questions, etc.). When I think of my past bangs it was the girl put in 45-60% of the initial work in the interaction (I would say it was more like 55% on average) and often initiated the interaction herself.
He or she which is the least interested holds the most amount of power in the interaction/relationship.
My game has also started to evolve to focus more and more on leveraging a woman's hypergamous nature, so talk myself up/talk about my credentials/exaggerate my job, etc.
Another observation: beta orbiter social circle style game works the best for the hottest of chicks. These girls don’t meet guys over the internet, they are dealing with too many guys as it is. They don’t meet guys at clubs or bars for the most part but it is not unheard of. They usually meet their b/f’s in college or through the workplace or though social circle. The orbiter stands a chance if he waits in the weeds until her b/f and her break up, or he can indirectly pry her relationship open over time until she is single again.
The more attractive a woman is the LESS slutty she is; she does not HAVE to be slutty and if she is it works against her goals (getting commitment). (As it is the median American women has about 7 lifetime partners (give or take a few), according to what I have read.) The 9s-10′s rarely partake in one-night stands not only because they don’t have to but their relative reduced amount of testosterone (compared to other women) makes them less horny yet also more feminine, which is what made them 9-10′s in the first place. Conversely a fat blob can only offer up her slimy hole and oftentimes they are so happy to just have male attention/a guy to bang that they will bang nearly anyone.