[WestCoast]

With some of the real players on here I think it would be interesting to know how your game progressed, particularly sticking points. I'll start off with a few examples and it would be great to hear as everyone strives for the next level. I also noticed when you hit a "dry spell" you're simply moving into the next level of player.

1. Started as a massive omega, dropped xtac the first time I went out to game looking like complete shit but ended up making out with something I would call a 4-5, but was an eye opener that being friendly and having fun was 1/4 of the battle.

2. Next break through. I disconnected my tv, took salsa classes and started learning Portuguese. I just got a good paying job. I gaine 45 lbs, cleaned up etc. I still looked like I was 21, but got my first SNL that year.

3. Started my first traveling adventure. Day one of trip in Rio ended up with a SNL on the beach at 4am with a complete skank who was at least a 7 though. Failed the rest of my trip to secure other hook ups.

5. Hired a new style coach due to weight gain, changed the way I walked, threw out all old clothing and started learning Spanish. Had a total of 24 lays in the year but impossible to get a rotation going because my date game was weak after date 4-5.

6. Decided to read roosh's books to see if I could pick up anything. Ended up only reading deadbeat because I found it hilarious. Probably should read more of daybang but want to continue using my own openers after the latest girl told me "some guy earlier today was looking for a pet shop do you know of one". Goal for this year is to get a smoother rotation. I had 2-3 going but all of it fell flat over the last month. So my official new sticking point is tinkering with some way to smoothly hold down a girl or two.

Anyway that's a quick summary of how I moved past a few points, I'm changing my style away from SNL's for now since I believe my long-term conversation skills need work particularly when I try to go back and game foreigners. We'll see how it goes as I go back 2 Mexico in April to try and lock one up.

[CJ]

Chapter 1: High School -

Ugh, not much to write about here. I mean, I wasn't gay or anything, and I wanted girls, but I had no idea how to talk to girls other than as friends up until my senior year, and by then it was kind of too late. Needless to say my penis was very sad. Not to make excuses, but there were a lot of problems going on at home as my parents went through a bitter divorce.

Chapter 2: First Year of College -

I 'came out of my shell' so to speak here, and definitely knew what I wanted from women. Early on I had a few girls interested in me, but I didn't push for sex as rapidly as I could have, oops. I got in an LTR and learned a lot of things about relationships and so forth, but it wasn't until I broke out of that relationship that I really started making progress.

Chapter 3: The Rest of College -

A week after I broke up with this girl I found out she had already kissed another guy that weekend, so two nights later when I next went out, I banged another girl for my first SNL, I felt this was fair! Meanwhile, I had another girl after me, and it was about this time I started to wonder just how easy it was to sleep with women. I tested this theory and had great results, scoring many more SNLs. Then I met this girl...

Chapter 4: The LTR of Doom -

I don't know what it was about this girl, but we were just crazy about each other and ended up dating for nearly 4 years. The sex was great, maybe that was the draw, she's still in my top 3. Alas, I found my eye often wandering, and had several girls on the side wanting some dick. Finally, she got sick of my shit and I was on my own again.

Chapter 5: Wandering in the Darkness -

With the number of options I had when I was in my LTR, I figured things would be easy now that the chains around my penis had been removed. Needless to say, I was in for a rude awakening. I hit up all those girls from before to let them know I was free, with no luck at all. The only action I got in the span of three months was head from some skanks at a dive bar. Things were looking grim... I broke my dry spell by lowering my standards to get my dick wet. She wasn't fat, nor had any major deformities, but I was used to banging 7s and 8s, so this painfully average girl was not going to be anything but a ONS. Things continued on like this for some time, I had discovered Roosh's blog and forum by this point, but still hadn't really figured out how to properly apply the concepts I was learning.

Chapter 6: Revelations -

I had to make a major gaffe to realize that my growing game was fundamentally flawed. Essentially I got a girl in bed, half naked - twice, and did not bang her. This was a low point for my penis, and I decided I couldn't wait any longer to buy Bang. Got it in the mail on a Tuesday, finished it on a Thursday morning, went out Thursday night and got a SNL.

Chapter 7: Rebirth -

I turned that girl into a regular fuck buddy for awhile, and added another girl into the mix. Things got tricky when I tried to add a third, and I ended up with only one. From then on I was pretty good at keeping at least one steady fuck buddy, while finding an occasional chick on the side.

Chapter 8: You're No Expert Yet -

Game was coming very naturally to me, I was getting girls regularly when suddenly everything stopped. My ego had run wild and I was left confused as to how I was suddenly left dry again, something I never thought would happen now that I had so many tools to bang women. I'd wager a lot of this had to do with losing my job at the time, but such is life. I got back to basics and approached, approached, approached, my dry spell was over in no time.

Chapter 9: Ever Evolving -

The old cliche, "If you're not getting better, you're getting worse." Definitely applies to game too, and I'm constantly trying to learn new ways to get more women. Presently I have two regular fuck buddies, but I know at any time I could lose them, in fact... I want to lose them, and replace them with new girls. Right now my mindset is I always need a new girl to experience. So, I keep going out, keep approaching and keep altering my rotation of two. I've tried to blend day game in, which hasn't been very successful so far, so I know I still have a lot of room to grow. The results from night game are just quicker, which is why that remains my preferred method.

Writing all this has me pretty excited actually, as despite having a lot of success, I feel I haven't even scratched the surface of my potential yet, and I kind of want to brush this annoying cold aside and see what new girls I can meet tonight!

[Greek kamaki]

I started as a student with heavy pick up on student girls.I tried every possible place.At the end I got to visit clubs 4 times a week in order to pick up girls.We were a group of 3-4 guys and went out everyday.At the end each one had about 2-4 girlfriends.At that time I noticed Greek women are attracted mainly by liars and I was disgusted.I decided to turn to western women.

I stayed for one year and a half on Rhodes island where I got to know all the different nationalities of Europe.There is not a single nationality I have not run pick up on.Then I discovered the problems feminism in western countries causes as described in this forum.At that point the main topic of discussion between all of us was East or West?My friends advised me to focus on West that is why I chose Rhodes island.

However due to a short exposure to Czech Republic in the nineties where I stayed for one month and Budapest one year before I was relatively aware of the advantages of Eastern Block.So about 2002 I decided to abandon hunting of western European women and focus on eastern European women because it seemed easier as I got older.It was also more rewarding.

At first I focused on the relatively developed part of Eastern Block(Czech Republic,Slovakia).At that time a journey to a country like Ukraine was considered dangerous(there was no internet information as it is now).However I noticed a strange thing happen.While I tried to spot the Czech girls vaccating in Greece visiting every possible place at the end it seemed that I hooked up with polish women.At first I totally disregarded polish women as conservative and catholic.The frequency by which hooking with them happened made me gradually to change my opinions.I first travelled to Poland in 2002.At that time Czech Republic was still better for the hunter.

Then I witnessed the gradual decline of Czech Republic as Germanization and Westernization proceeded with rapid rhythms.I decided to hit unknown virgin destinations and came for first time to Kiev in 2003.The experience blew my mind.It was a totally different world.I had not realized that I lived the last year of the golden era.What I have seen till then is totally inferior.

Czech Republic finished about 2009.For hunters interested in civilized world(excluding Ukraine,Russia relatively) only Poland remained as serious destination.I had heard bad things about the developments in Baltics as well.

So gradually I moved from Czech women to polish ones with all the advantages and disadvantages.About 2008 I was sure Ukraine was going to finish as well since credit and high expectations had driven girls demand to mad levels.At that time crisis broke out in Ukraine and the whole situation was reversed.For a very short period during 2009 I lived sth similar to 2003.It was because many girls were till head to debt and could not repay it since the value of grivnya declined so rapidly and wages fell.So they searched every possibility available including foreigners.Scammers vanished in one night.

So now I focus more on Ukraine with Belarus,Russia as alternative.For close acquaintances I prefer polish(I mean easiness to bring them,travel,immigrants).

[WesternCancer]

Highschool: I was kind of chubby, wore all black with punk/metal shirts, had this sweet hoodie where I sewed/made all of these patches of bands I listened to. I was friendly with everyone, but only had a few friends. I used to spend my time lurking on this site called Nexopia messaging chicks, I'd talk to bitches all night. I think this really helped with my game style. One was REALLY into me now that I think of it, but I was too self-conscious to meet up with her. At age 16 I had my first girl cam for me she was this tattooed up chick (19) from Halifax. She came out here to Vancouver one time but we could never meet up. My first girlfriend was this girl I later found out used to be a huge druggie, but she sucked my dick as soon as I mustered up enough courage to kiss her, we broke up because I wouldn't fuck her. I started dating this other girl I met on the site from before, we only saw eachother once a month and banged 6 months in because I was too scared to escalate. I was the vocalist in a band and when I look back on it I should have been annihilating pussy. I just couldn't comprehend that the girls liked me, they were doing everything short of screaming FUCK ME, even my mom/sister would make fun of me for having so many ladies around me, kind of unfortunate because there were some girls I really wanted to bang. I was shy so any time they said anything claiming interest I just brushed it off. I'll just call this hyper-aloof oblivious to everything game.

First year of university: I was still dating the girl from highschool, but met another girl. HS girl and I banged a few times and I missed out on a few of the big first year get laid or go home kind of parties. Me and the new girl eventually banged, HS girl broke up with me shortly after for unrelated reasons. I was still stuck in my hyper-aloof oblivious to everything game, I hungout with this girl almost every day, she asked me to help her "hang her posters on the wall" I just looked at her funny and said "don't you have a chair or something to stand on, thats like a 1 person job I gotta go". Later she had to lay on her bed and tell me to come makeout with her before I realized what was really going on. We banged for like 5 months but werent dating. In that time I'd hooked up with BJ girl again, fucked this fatty from the internet. In this time was the first time I ever got drunk, I ended up in some girls bed, we didn't do anything I seriously thought she just wanted me to sleep there. I woke up in the morning and my roommates highfived me. I then realized my grevious mistake. Me and the new girl started dating for almost 2 years (including fuck buddy shit. In second year this girl madeout with me at the club, but I felt bad and stopped her because I was dating the other girl.

Second year of university: LTR girl wanted "a break" we did everything but fuck. The attraction from all my female friends came out then and I banged about 5 girls through social circle game. Most of them made the first moves as I was still too shy/nervous/oblivious to make the first move. I met a girl on st.pattys day thought I was going to bang her, but we talked for too long and I didn't make a move. I had a few fuckbuddies and when the LTR girl found out she dumped me for good. The highlight of this time was the night when I pulled some girl from a party, went to her place, upon going into her place I ran into my "kinda girlfriends" friend, she looked at me funny. I went into the girl's room we started making out, she stopped me before anything else saying she doesn't even know me. I got up and left because this other girl (who I had yet to bang) texted me asking for a place to crash. I get back to my place just as this girl gets there and I get my bang on.

Summer: I find game/the manosphere. I'm only banging one girl at this time. I devour all the game blogs and begin to work out. I can't go out because I was working all the time, but it was a start. I came back to school with a new passion for pussy.

Current time: I work out, eat better read more. First few weeks of school I was drunk every day and banged nearly every day (old fuck buddies and a few new girls) I got my first SNL and thought I was the shit until she wouldn't come back over to pick up the jewlery she left here. I met a girl and I'm kind of following the same cycle as LTR girl from first year, I'm kind of worried about how this will turn out. My game has progressed, but I still have trouble acting on attraction signals, I can see that girls are into me most of the time but don't do much about it unless I'm out drinking. I still have a lot of issues with dancefloor game, I have to get really drunk before I go and just caveman a girl. I'm working on both of these things.

[Gixxermuscle]

(03-13-2012 03:24 PM)CJ Wrote:  

Chapter 6: Revelations -

I had to make a major gaffe to realize that my growing game was fundamentally flawed. Essentially I got a girl in bed, half naked - twice, and did not bang her. This was a low point for my penis, and I decided I couldn't wait any longer to buy Bang. Got it in the mail on a Tuesday, finished it on a Thursday morning, went out Thursday night and got a SNL.

What was the reason/problem/issue that stopped you from initiating sex with this broad?



Interesting posts by everyone in this thread.

[CJ]

(03-13-2012 09:04 PM)Gixxermuscle Wrote:  

What was the reason/problem/issue that stopped you from initiating sex with this broad?

Interesting posts by everyone in this thread.

The first time she was giving me the token LMR, saying things like she normally doesn't move that fast, we don't even know each other (we had just met), etc, but I was literally afraid her dad was going to walk in at any minute, so I figured I'd get her to my place and hit then.

The next time she was a little tipsy and said, how about we take a short nap and then wake up and we'll have sex... brilliant move on her part as I was both confused and felt like she needed a minute. Total dumbass move on my part, I passed out too and she had to leave early in the morning. We hung out one more time, but it was almost like we had taken a step back, and I never saw her again.

Long story short, today I would've risked her dad chasing me out of the house to get the bang and a good story. Actually, scratch that, I'd have either got a motel room, or been more adamant when her friend was too embarrassed to let us into her place (she had just thrown up).

There was just a lot of bad breaks and I didn't have the skills to overcome them at the time.

[Blaze Frazier]

This is going to be an absolutely fantastic thread. Don't have time to post right now, but wanted to bookmark it so I could come back and know where it was.

[Aliblahba]

I had Zero game for the first 20 years. Girls would open me in a club and I would fuck it up.

Then 1 day I bought a motorcycle and met two men sitting under a tree. They took me under their wing, and told me about women. It was then I was taught the 2 a day rule. We would go to a bar, and they wouldn't let me order a beer until I approached 1 girl. It was fucking painful. However, over a 6 month period, I stopped giving a fuck.

They taught me a lot of good tactics, like sitting near the girls bathroom in a club. That way you can see all the talent coming through without looking like a douche walking around.

Over the years I've approached a lot of women, and learned what works and what doesn't. My game style is constantly changing, cause it gets boring for me to use the same shit over and over. My game has been good enough to build harems in foreign countries.

Now I'm just old, and like playing the field slow. It's not a matter of numbers, but quality. On top of that, as long as I'm constantly getting laid, it doesn't matter how many women are supplying the pussy.

[MikeCF]

Cool thread.

[WestCoast]

@ MikeCF care to share?

Ali's comments were interesting for 2 big reasons. One is having a competent wing the guys who took him in. Two was getting a motorcycle, likely a bit outside of comfort zone and probably more of the person he wanted to be/was.

I'm def not the motorcycle type, much more of the dancing type of person so learning salsa right now is helping a lot. Unable to find a competent wing but oh well solo dolo is okay 4 now.

[Aliblahba]

(03-14-2012 01:34 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

@ MikeCF care to share?

Ali's comments were interesting for 2 big reasons. One is having a competent wing the guys who took him in. Two was getting a motorcycle, likely a bit outside of comfort zone and probably more of the person he wanted to be/was.

I'm def not the motorcycle type, much more of the dancing type of person so learning salsa right now is helping a lot. Unable to find a competent wing but oh well solo dolo is okay 4 now.

It was important that I learned game at that time. Not long after I went overseas, and what I learned got me laid. The big one though was when I returned home. Pussy came outta the woodwork. I started working at the bar, and couldn't keep a lid on it. I banged the waitress constantly. I was living with my bro, and he used to come in late, and laughed at a different car in the driveway every night.

Back then I used to love stealing away g/f's. I would AMOG the fuck outta some dude just for spite. I've calmed down a lot since then. Too much drama playing the field like that. I even used to keep a pistol under the mattress, just in case a bitch went crazy, or the jealous b/f stormed in.

[Blaze Frazier]

High School — In my first three years of high school, I was picked on pretty good (always a smaller guy) and ostracized myself from my classmates. As a senior, I grew into my own a little bit, went all-state in a few sports and slowly got recognized, which helped my confidence. Got my first 'girlfriend,' but that ended in about two months (didn't have sex), then summer hit to lead me into college.

College — Even though I was a varsity college athlete, I never fit in with the guys, mostly due to my own volition. I was an idiot and killed all of those relationships before they could began, so it kind of hindered me at parties with them. I did all right for myself, mainly with girls in my classes and dorm. Lost my virginity as a junior to my girlfriend at the time. Once I graduated, I began to find myself.

After graduation until five months later — Felt lost without college, as most people do, and tried to recreate it by dating younger. Even though it was fun at the time, it got me nowhere. Then I found my first full-time job.

Then until now — Professionally, I've been moderately happy. With women, it's a roller coaster. Since I moved to my current location, I've been in two LTRs, one that was great for me and another that made me re-evaluate things. Online dating has been my crutch and I've killed it doing that, when I'm on. When I'm in a rut, I'm really in a rut.

Where I want to go — I'd like to kick any anxiety I have in general and would like to crush the bar scene. I'm a good-looking guy, so there is no reason I shouldn't be able to pull consistently.

[WestCoast]

@ blaze I can tell this is a legit response, not to move too off topic but I think it would be great if the real players here gave some advise on how to fix those sticking points. Maybe I am crazy here but if you're good looking, online game is getting you trough because you need less of a personality. As you stated/implied bars feel uncomfortable to you. I am gonna guess it is bc you are not confident in your conversation/threading skills. I just starting shifting away from all night game and did day game instead. It has actually helped a lot, maybe I can suggest starting a few day approaches and practice rambling. I found that rambling took my bar game up 5 notches.

Also good to pick up any one new hobby aside from sports/video games/careers the trinity of game killing conversation. Just my 2c

[Mr McGillycuddy]

Cool thread...I'll contribute

1) High School: I was probably the bottom of the top tier in terms of social hierarchy. I've always been a "cool" guy with good social skills, a good sense of humor, and I can connect with people pretty well. So I had lots of friends and a great social circle and had some of the top tier girls into me. Even a couple of the super hotties. But I was clueless when it came to game and escalating and graduated HS a virgin. I look back now and cringe at all the blown opportunities.

2) College: More or less the same as high school but I got several lays because I was in a cool frat and was in a LTR for about two years. Again, I cringe at all the blown opportunities.

3) Lost in the Real World: For nearly three years after college, I remained in the same position. Good friends, good social circle, and a handful of bangs each year based mostly on the fact that I am pretty good looking, had a decent job, and had those other qualities going for me.

4) Discovering Game and the Pain Period: I discovered game and started approaching and learning in May 2010. Despite having good social skills, I was a disaster to begin because I had a lot of nerves talking to hot/strange girls. I think it took me about three months (!!!) to get my first phone number from cold approach. It was a very frustrating time but I kept at it. After that, I gained skill at approaching and getting numbers but I wasn't converting them with any real consistency and in terms of lays and hookups, I was still basically where I was before learning game, just with a lot more phone numbers in my phone and perhaps some better social awareness.

5) The Turning Point and Living the Life: About a year ago, i made a huge jump in my successes. Part of it was traveling to Brazil (which I documented on this forum) and watching some super aggressive Brasiliero caveman game. What a huge difference between the nice-guy game I was running and that aggressive style! I slayed two chicks in Rio and then things really turned around once I returned to DC. Then another guy told me I had everything together, but I just needed to start aggressively escalating on chicks. So, literally the next time I went out, I did just that. From that point, my night game took off and with my new escalation game taken care of, I started getting a lot of success through my social circles and second-degree relationships as well as in the bars and clubs. My last 7-8 months in DC I probably took down an average of 2 chicks per month and they were almost all 7+ in terms of looks. I even had a couple that I was a bit in disbelief about like "I can't believe this chick is in my bed right now!" All my lays in that time were a very even mix of social circle/closed group girls, SNLs, and girls who I number closed while trying to SNL. I never ran any day game at all. I was heavy into the DC club scene and had a bit of status because one of my best friends was a pretty heavy-hitting promotor in town who got the most quality of anyone I've ever met. I was also living with a true natural, a guy who has never heard of pickup or read about getting laid on the internet, but will surely have 200 lays by his 24th birthday this July, if he doesn't already (I know he's in the ballpark). I learned a lot from those two and was not only adding the notches but was managing to have 3-4 girls on lock for my first ever harem. It was a true wake-up call for the kid that graduated HS a virgin to be able to bang a different girl every other night and never even have to leave the house. This is the main reason I think escalation is for many guys, the absolute difference maker.

6) Re-Starting from Scratch (Present Day): I moved to Honolulu six weeks ago and as others on this forum have attested, its the hardest location I've experienced, especially since I'm a transplant Haole (white-boy). I was doing well in DC, which many have also said is very rough, so I am confident that I will figure Hawaii out as well but as of now, the scoreboard just reads one Japanese girl (got the flag, which was cool) and a pipeline of flaky phone numbers. Night game here is lacking (and I don't go out as much because I like to get to bed early so I can surf or otherwise be outside during the day) and my social circle is just starting to take root so my main streams of poon in DC are essentially dry. Thus I've been hitting the pavement doing day game but as I stated above, I hadn't done any of it prior to being here so I am still just getting started there and its been laughable at times how bad I am. Some of my approaches have been epic disasters. But I'm getting better, bit by bit. Its new to me and hopefully my successes in night game will begin to carry over to the day game. So as far as game goes, my focus right now is on growing my social circle, getting better at day game, and making the most of my somewhat rare night outings by being super aggressive. But I am also heavily focused on building business/getting new clients (freelance consulting) and getting sick at surfing (going about 3-5 times per week right now), so game is only half the equation of where I am trying to grow.

As someone else said, writing that was very enlightening for me. Its cool to see how far I've come and how much I've grown as a man and a person. Its even cooler to think about how much more potential for growth and development I still have. I am nothing but excited for the future and for my life in Hawaii.

[Belize King]

1) High school: Didn't get laid. I was laid back, introverted, and really didnt care for pussy. I'm a military brat so went to high schools in New Orleans, Southern Cali, and South Texas. Which is wild, all black to all white to mostly hispanic. I was an athlete but rarely went to parties to get my dick wet. Finally got some a month before my 18th bday in my senior year. Was stuck on her for a while, then graduated and moved to the Rio Grand Valley.
Game level=3

2) College summer and fall semester: Moved to Mcallen Texas. All hispanic so I just fell into pussy. The girls that were intrigued by some chocolate were usually up front so I needed little game to snatch them up. I met my future roommate who was a rapper so he helped me step my game up plus we were on the grind sellin CD's so I had to have a mouthpiece to sell little 10 dollar mixtapes. Had my first SNL at a concert we did haha. Smashed in the back of our rental within an hour. Despite selling CD to boppers, I didn’t need have too much game. All the pussy I was catching were young, naive girls so no game needed. I was knocking off 5-7’s.
Game level=7

3) Military: Went to basic in January 05. Some dudes were smashin but I didn’t know how considering the only little time we got was maybe 4 hours on Sundays. Where there’s a will there’s a way haha. During our Advance Training after Basic Training we got weekends off. So you would pipeline until you got your pass, get a hotel room and smash. Hotel parties were crazy. That’s when I discovered how scandalous women were. Alot of these females were married but going thru 13 weeks of basic with no dick then another 4 weeks until you get your first pass wow. Supply was low so you needed to stay in front the rest. So you had to have some game to stay in front of the other 20 cocks that wanted to put it in their mouths. The classes ahead of us had the edge too. Women were attracted to them for whatever reason. Plus the drill sergeants were probably our biggest competition. I had my El Salvadorian mami move on to a drill sergeant within a week. When we became senior class we ran thru the other classes. Game level=7

4) Working years 05-08: I moved back to Corpus summer of 05. Found a job at Grainger. So I was 19 making 13hr in Corpus Christi. 13hr with no experience or degree in corpus is bread. You don’t make cash unless you or on-base or in the oil fields in Corpus. Because of the valley and the military, I really didn’t have game. Pussy fell in my lap so corpus years were dry. Wasn’t chasing shit so I caught whatever came my way. Built a little rotation and stuck to it. Plus we would make runs to the valley and Mexico so I built steady pussy out there. Game level=5

5) Deployment 08-09: Moved to San Antonio for pre deployment. Nice town. My unit was small (50) maybe 10 females. Smashed one when we went to South Carolina before we went to Iraq. From July-June went dry. All I did was work and sleep. Didn’t approach a single female. Worked 16 hour days and slept the rest. Didn’t work out plus I rarely interacted with females. I got back in May and chilled for two months until I finally caught something. My game fell off because of the lack of interaction
Game level=4

6) Quite job, back to the valley 09-11: Chilled in corpus for another year. Rented a house and picked up some roommates. The year was crazy. My cousin, two of my boys, and a female were my roommates. The dudes didn’t have jobs and the female came up short a lot. Burn thru my savings from Iraq. We went out 4 nights a week. My game picked up because of the peer pressure/competition. Ended up smashing my roommate and became stuck on her. I missed an opportunity to move to San Antonio because of her. First and last time I let a female get to me. Quit the job and moved to Brownsville for college. Pussy flowed from there but caught what was thrown at me. No real game progression.
Game level=6

7) Deployment/discovery 11-now: Moved to Seattle for pre mob last April. Apr-Sept was Seattle and training sites. My eyes opened to Asians, hipsters, and thin people haha. The westcoast is crazy different from South Texas. The smart women, women who work-out, Asian girls, white girls, I didn’t know what a hipster was until last year. I did more approaches because of the new city and culture. Caught a couple asian girls, one hipster, a couple mixed girls, and two white girls. None from my unit either. My game opened up. 90% of it was dolo. I stopped using my color as a crutch and stepped outside my realm. Shitload of rejections but overall I didn’t care. My quality was descent. Now I'm stuck in Kuwait. Found the site in February and started absorbing the game. Just bought Roosh's book and began reading starting with the game. Competition out here is fierce because of the ratio. There are maybe 7000 soldiers and contractors on base, 1000 women, and less than 300 6's and above. Since I've been here I’ve been working, gym, school and self-improvement. I haven’t been to any social events. No approaches at all. The base dynamic is something different. I'll post a thread on it today for some comments/advice. Right now I could have two on the team but because of the dynamic and quality I want better.

It’s time for me to step up. I can use this deployment to continue to self-improve but also learn the game and use it. Use different approaches and techniques. I can use this as my game gym. The main thing is to not give a fuck and approach as much as I can. I am excited now and ready to improve. Plus I get a trips in May and August to use what I learned haha.
Game level=5

[alphamale87]

1) High School: Didn't go out at all or have many friends. I was very anti social because I was pretty much traveling every weekend around the country playing tennis. I graduated early because I wanted to take a year off to play tennis internationally before I started college. I took down 3 girls 2 of which became LTR's at the same time. Luckily they went to different schools so it wasn't a problem.

2) Freshman year College: I got a scholarship to an SEC school and was super focused on tennis to begin with and tried the long distance thing with one of my LTRs from highschool. Got a phone call from her second week of school saying she cheated on me with a family friend and fellow tennis player I used to travel with. This was the best thing that ever happened to me. It completely changed my outlook on girls and I started just not giving a shit. I started making friends with other athletes and throwing "tennis parties". I went out almost every night, got blackout drunk, and freshman year racked up around 30 slays.

3) Sophmore year: Having awakened the pussy dragon within me, I decided I still wasn't getting enough girls. I pledged a fraternity to open an entirely new pipeline to girls. It was almost too easy. I slayed somewhere around 25 girls first semester. The president of one sorrority even banned me from their house at one point for sleeping with 4 of their sisters in one weekend.

4) Junior Year: I met a real down to earth blonde XO(chi-o) that did everything for me and was an 8. I was insistent on not dating because of my history. She would come to every tennis match, cook for me, etc. I even convinced her to have a threesome with me and her roommate which complicated things. Finally I gave in and dated her for a year. I cheated on her like crazy but she never found out. During this time I turned incredibly beta again and super needy. She broke up with me while I was studying for LSAT after visiting her and her family. I slayed a persian girl the same night.

5) Senior Year: Still Tilted from the break up, I went all out. I lived in the fraternity house, and fucked 15 girls first semester while still trying to get back with the ex. I think she found out about a few of them. I gave up after this semester and saw her in the spring. She was fat. She literally went from 5'3 under 100lbs to 145. I had never felt better about myself. I got admitted to lawschool and that summer I went on a spree again mostly because I was living with my parents on a beach house in Florida.

6) 1st Year law school- I started from scratch with my social circle and luckily met some guys that had great game . Until this point I really had no clue what I was doing with girls. I would just get drunk and kind of caveman around. These guys didn't teach me much but approach like crazy, and be an arrogant asshole. This worked and when I wasn't studying my ass off I racked up about 7 lays in the fall, including a girl who was engaged, loved anal, and was probably the biggest slut I have ever met. (Love Miami)

7) Second year law school- A tennis player friend of mine who lives in Cali introduced me to rooshv and I thank him for it everyday. I was hooked, I read every article, every comment, but still haven't read bang.( I know i will get around to it but between lawschool and working out/tennis its difficult). I went out solo for the first time in NYC during summer and went on a spree of 4 girls in one week. After that I went cold again. I went back to basics and started self improving. I learned 2 new languages, taught myself guitar and piano, and added some new stories under my belt.

8) Now: I went home for a weekend in siesta key florida and number closed a model/bucs cheerleader who now works as a parelegal. Looks like a 9, blonde, perfect body, and no entitled bitch personality. Possibly a 10. Slayed her on second date after finishing an entire bottle of jameson at the beach house which allowed me to fuck her for an hour and half without coming. She told me the next day she could barely walk and now I think i may have her on the hook. She's texting me essays, sending pics, calling alot. I've kept my aloofness, busyness, and banter up. I live in Miami and she lives in sarasota. I wouldn't mind going back and forth every other weekend and her visiting me the others, while still gaming on weeknights. Unsure what to do at this point as this is the hottest girl I have ever been with and the chemistry is amazing. BUT IM ONLY 25!

[Samseau]

alpha87:

You're a natural. You must have some doggedly good looks, and some good confidence to boot.


Question: Your lay count has been decreasing with years. What do you attribute to this?

[alphamale87]

Samseau, I'm not the best looking guy, but I'm european with blonde hair blue eyes so I stick out. I'd give myself a 7.5, but I dress well, mostly suited down because of work/law school all the time. Its my life experiences and being raised well that has given me confidence.

As to my notches decreasing, I think its a combination of things.

1) The access to girls in college is much easier than anywhere period. Let alone an SEC school. Unlimited spots to game. Class, after class, walking around campus, the food court, intramural fields, in the dorms, in the quad, at the pool, at the gym, at the fraternity house, in the greek village, out at the bars etc. etc.

2) Lack of time- I'm constantly trying to better myself in through my study of law, music, culture, languages. I'm a fitness freak so my diet/nutrition and workout schedule plus tennis takes up much of time as well. Whatever time I have left goes to girls. Meaning 2-3 nights out per week max.

3) Lack of money- Since i'm in school still, I also have limited funds, and living in a city like miami short on money will most definitely decrease my lay count.

[Samseau]

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Samseau, I'm not the best looking guy, but I'm european with blonde hair blue eyes so I stick out. I'd give myself a 7.5, but I dress well, mostly suited down because of work/law school all the time. Its my life experiences and being raised well that has given me confidence.

You don't get 30 lays your freshman year without being a god damn good looking man.

From your "Was this beta?" thread:

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I'll try to keep this short. Wednesday in Miami, I open this solid 7, an Italian. She's drunk, giving me every IOI, and I'm basically doing no work. I isolate and take her to the dance floor, let her grind on me, and after about 2 minutes she yells "you're sexy" and makes out with me.

Girl yells out "you're sexy" in 2 minutes? Are you sure you aren't underestimating your looks here? I'm thinking you're probably in the 9 range of looks.

[Deluge]

He did go out every single night, so part of his success could be pinned on the numbers game. Plus living on campus gives him easy logistics.

[scorpio]

When did the first girl crush on you? 4 y.o.
When did girls start to regularly flirt with you? 10 y.o.
When did the pretty girls start to flirt with you? 12 y.o.
When did you get your first bang? High school.
What type of game do you run? Good-looking guy game.
Do good looking guys even need game? Yes.
Why? Chicks are pretty fucked up. Need to screen out attention whores. Need to make some girls feel comfortable, though many never will be. Beautiful girls are extremely difficult to deal with.
What has your "game development" been all about? I focus a lot of my energy on my priorities outside of women. Regarding women, I'm forced to adapt my game around my genetics.
What's the biggest aggravation of being a good-looking guy? Attention whoring = time wasting.
Is approach rejection rare? Yes, due to attention whoring (above).
What has been your biggest weaknesses in dealing with women? I'm very lazy and quick to can them.
What do you think the biggest challenge is for good-looking guys to be players? Girls want you to be their boyfriend. Many of them AUTOMATICALLY play you this way. It's not uncommon to hear them talk about babies or for them to resort to underhanded tactics to nail you down. That's why I'm quick to can them and game multiple women at the same time. A lot of my game involves breaking their hearts and crushing their romantic dreams. Fair is fair. This is probably the biggest reason why a lot of very handsome guys are not players.
What type of girls do you attract? Due to the underlying racism in this country, I attract mostly white and Asian chicks. Black girls are tough for me, as are some Latinas. If they have at least a college education, the problem goes away. In terms of looks, I attract from 0's to dimes, but the ones who are not wasting my time tend to be 8+'s. Likes attract likes in this regard. As for age, I've attracted girls from 12 to 50... even now.
Do you think some of your advice is not relevant for a lot of the members on this board? Yeah, probably. But I do what I can to help out.
Do you think other people's advice for you here is not applicable? Sometimes.

[dulst]

Ages 12 - 14
Had a couple of GFs, fingered one of them and though I was the absolute man. Found out years later that I was considered a "player" then - but I was the awful narcissistic unstable kind.

Ages 14 - 18
LTR. Lost my virginity to her. Was up and down but ok, she got more demanding so one day I just stopped trying to please her. Relationship instantly improved. Age 17 started reading Roissy and Roosh, contemplate dumping her ass. Turn 18, go clubbing. Dance with girls but don't cheat because I'm a pussy.

August 2011
Dump girl, start reading a bunch of other game related blogs. Discover MRA, get mad at women. First attempts at one night stands fail miserably, now that I'm single (typical). This is my first exposure to preselection.
Go to Amsterdam for a week, fuck a hooker and a 5/10. Not impressed with the results but note the improvement.
Get back from amsterdam, start taking game more seriously. Focus on mindset over moves.
Fuck my supervisor from work. Fool around with my best female friend, no sex as she's a virgin and wants to lose it to a proper bf.

September 2011
Perform at someone's 18th, fuck a virgin I met that night. Now fully convinced that game has improved my life. Go to uni. Get a girl into my room on the 2nd day, she decides not to sleep with me. I act indifferent but I'm a bit pissed as she said she wouldn't sleep with me because I didn't want a relationship.
3rd day ONS with a random, turns out we share classes and we are still FWBs now.
4th day the girl from day 2 finds out about day 3, gets mad then sleeps with me. I run rotation with them both fully aware of each other. Awkward but hilarious.

October 2011
Day 2/4 girl is not very chill, day 3 girl is. My response is that I over do the asshole game to day2 and we end up having one of those volatile argue/fuck relationships. Still running an "informed rotation". Couple more makeouts but no new lays. Read Bang.

November 2011
Day 2/4 cant handle the asshole side of me and gets a nice boyfriend. Good luck to her. I learn a valuable lesson in over cooking the asshole game. Steady FWB arrangement with day3, fool around with female best friend a few more times. Day3 decides she wants a dont ask dont tell arrangement after she saw me makeout with a girl in a club and got mad, I can dig this. As far as I'm aware she hasn't touched another guy. She's cooking me food and getting nasty with me so I wouldn't even mind if she was.

December 2011
Fuck female best friend. She wants to be an "informed fwb" but confesses that this is only because "she knows she can't have more". The joys of a rotation resume. Female best friend (FBF) gets mad jealous.

January 2012
Fuck a random girl I met on my course. First success with daygame. She's fucking crazy and damaged goods. We do it a couple of times then she gets into an LTR with a beta she was seeing before hand. Rotation persists. Roll out in a suit, get the easiest ONS of my life. Suit game now valuable tool. Now cock cousins with Calvin Harris (shittest claim to fame).

February 2012
FBF decides she wants don't ask don't tell. Suits me. Go out the total of two times in one month. No new lays, makeout but the girl vomits in the street. Lesson learned in thinking drunk girls are always good.

March 2012
The girl who told me I played her when i was 13 invites herself down to visit. We have sex and she "totally didn't expect that to happen!"... She wants to visit again. Rotation of FBF and day3 still going strong, want to make Miss Invite herself down a regular addition. Time will tell.

BTW, was this Beta?

[alphamale87]

I'm telling you I'm nowhere near a 9 in looks.

The 30 lays freshman year was sheer numbers and sick logistics. I had no fear and didn't give a shit anymore because my cunt of a gf cheated on me with a family friend. I had a good looking roomate however that helped as wingman until he turned beta. I basically talked to every girl I possibly could, even if she had her damn mouth full of biscuits and gravy. Being an athlete helped immensely, and the fact that I had dance lessons so swooping in the bar made it that much easier.
Facebook had also just come out the summer before my freshman year so I created one and when I wasn't studying or training, I was literally messaging EVERY SINGLE ATTRACTIVE GIRL in my freshman class. I maybe got 8 bangs from that.
Logistics were sick as all the sorority and fraternity houses were in the same place so pledges would drive girls/guys all back to the same place. I can proudly say I have jizzed on the wall and carpet of two sorrority houses.

The girl that yelled that was incredibly drunk and just saw me talking to another attractive girl. Maybe it was my accent who knows.

But I stand by statement that I'm not the best looking guy. I can't stress enough how important not giving a shit, being interesting/witty/banterous and confidence really is.

[WesternCancer]

I can feel you on the logistics part. In first year we would have dorm parties all the time. It was literally a 2 minute walk to someones room. Too bad I didn't drink until halfway through and I was in LTR-Pussy mode. Second year I lived in an apartment style thing, across the street from the meat-market kind of bar on campus. I'm there again this year but with the best view anyone could wish for. I kind of wish I had used the logistics more to my advantage, because it was easy when I was out there partying all the time.

[Gmac]

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