Quote: (03-07-2012 06:26 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:
Firstly don't mistake my distaste with the industry as a slight on you. I'm not hating on anyone who goes to a seminar. It's your money,you can do whatever you want however I think you have fallen into a marketing trap and have been ripped off. I don't want others to do the same that is all.
Well, there seem to be some little difference here - I have been to a bootcamp and you haven't. I'd consider it important.
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RSD and the other companies market themselves as being able to get people good with women and get them to the point where they can seduce highly attractive women,9's and 10's.
You're talking about the RSD and about the three day bootcamp, right? I never seen such marketing, but assuming there were such claims, I wouldn't believe it anyway. Not to mention this was not what I wanted, as I have no interest in
seducing highly attractive women.
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Now you seem a clued up guy,no doubt had success with women and know you can take the claims with a pinch of salt. However this kind of marketing appeals to guys who are desperate for success with women,virgins,people with social skill problems,self esteem issues.
My guess is that those people would benefit much more from a bootcamp than a dude like me who doesn't trust anyone and doesn't believe in anything unless I can see it, touch it and repeat it myself.
This also makes me wonder how many of people with such issues attend the bootcamps? Maybe my group was unique, but none of us had any social issues or had problems walking to a group of chicks and starting talking to them. None of us also looked like someone who spent a year to save $2K either. One dude openly admitted he's there just for fun (he was still doing quite well though).
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They sell it that if you give them $3000 USD ( I just saw a site offering their 3 day seminar for that price ) and go out sarging with them you can achieve that level of game,not after the first seminar maybe but buy a few more and eventually you will get there.
I cannot say for what "the other companies" or even other RSD instructors claim to their students, but I can say that nothing like that was said to me or to anyone in my group (and I'd laugh my ass off if I was). I asked Tyler about the typical game progress and he said one will get from zero to a proficient level in 6-9 months if he is going out at least three nights a week and approaches at least ten chicks every night.
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You say you have seen Tyler in action,great! You did that after paying up $$$. If I am going to pay $$$ I want to see the evidence first,then I will decide if I want to invest after I have seen his skills.
Haha, this was exactly what I asked them in the first email - how do I know if the program is good, if I gonna learn what I want? Well, they had the money back guarantee with pretty simple terms - which they clarified over the email (so I had the hard copy in case they wouldn't want to honor it and I'd have to sue them). So the risk was very limited.
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All I have seen is his average looking wife which is cool,marry who you want BUT don't then try telling me you can show me some secret about sleeping with 10's if you ain't doing so. I think that is fair don't you?
Yes, I think that is fair.
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Now you say people can spend their money how they want and I agree 100% HOWEVER I don't like seeing people being ripped off and $3000 for three days of talks and hitting a club is a massive rip off. How can such a price be justified for so minimal effort?
It's a good question. What they offer is basically a kind of shortcut. To achieve the goal you can either spend no money and X hours, or you can spend $500 and X/2 hours. Or you can spend $5K and X/3 hours. A typical money-time conversion, which obviously makes no sense for the people who have a lot of time but little money.
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All the info is already out there on the web and you can find a wing and go out for free practising that stuff. Right?
Right. You can learn everything on your own. Even driving and skydiving. It will just take longer.
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I have a friend from NYC. A mid twenties guy, unattractive,short,fat and with few social skills,he'd had two girlfriends and they were well below average looks wise. Quite a cool guy to talk to though. Anyway he saw my FB photos with Russian ( I have spent time in numerous FSU countries gaming in the provinces solo and having adventures ) women and asked me if he could get laid with a hot Slav in Russia. I thought it would be good to find out. So I invited him on a trip to the Russian provinces with me. He saved up and we booked flights. I told him to read Mysteries book on the plane to Moscow. We chose a random town 15 hours by train from Moscow. We rolled into town in the early hours checked into the soviet monolith in the centre and went out cold approaching constantly for three days.
Do you and your friend speak fluent Russian, and can at least read Cyrillic? I assume you do, so do you understand that you're one of the very, very few Americans who can do it, and this is definitely NOT easy? You do understand how difficult it would be to an average dude speaking only English just to get to the train station and buy the train ticket, and how many people would even understand what he said in a random town 15 hours from Moscow?