[Thesoloist]

Great thread and great points by Vorkuta, Jerome etc

I really don't have anything to add

personally speaking If I had 3g's I would travel to Vegas and Cali for self or better yet invest in a year worth of gym

[The Fantasist]

(03-07-2012 12:52 PM)Thesoloist Wrote:  

Great thread and great points by Vorkuta, Jerome etc

I really don't have anything to add

personally speaking If I had 3g's I would travel to Vegas and Cali for self or better yet invest in a year worth of gym

Damn right. Spending 3 g's on a three day RSD seminar shows a lack of imagination if nothing else. If you want to drop $3000 in 72 hours get over to Vegas and have a weekend you will still be telling your nurses about when you're 90 and living in a care home.

[jerome]

(03-07-2012 12:30 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

[quote] (03-07-2012 09:54 AM)Dyonisos Wrote:  

Hey Playas (this is Mixx's wing here), I've gotten so much value out of this board it's not even funny, so I just wanted to give where I can...

Yes, I am Mixx's wing. That man has built my game from the ground up over the last couple years. As many members know, he is a damn good friend and all of the success I get with women now is largely due to what I have learned from him. I owe him everything.



It never hurts to have an open mind buddy.

I agree it doesn't hurt to have an open mind. At the same time you are a man, who know himself. And know when a con is on.

RSD is a for profit business. Understand. A car dealership is a for profit business.

RSD has an agenda.

To sale a dream. So how can you have an open mind. Knowing the truth about there agenda and goals.

RSD goal is to make money, not to help you get the girl you want.

If they did that, than the jig is up.

[G Trooper]

Jerome,

(03-06-2012 02:50 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Your better off spending 2000 to stay in las vegas for 14 days. I'm sure you will fuck someone in those 14 days.

$2,000 lasts you 2 weeks in Vegas? Please teach me your ways. Maybe I should just stop here because we have two totality different mindsets and mentalities about life. That lasts me 3 days maximum when I'm out there.

(03-06-2012 02:50 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Because I knew it was BS from the beginning. If tony robbins is BS, so are other seminars.

Tony Robbins has been changing the lives of millions of people over the last three decades. But Jerome, if you say so Tony Robbins must be BS!

(03-06-2012 02:50 PM)jerome Wrote:  

My question is, did the video help you get laid. No! it didn't. It made you feel good about yourself, and that you too might be able to do this. A false promise.

Except, going to the seminar did help me get laid, and i'm sure i'm not the only one.

(03-06-2012 02:50 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Be a man take ownership of your experience in life. Stop looking for someone to piggy back on. Do not learn through others. Learn through yourself. That is the difference between leaders and followers.

Okay if you say so Jerome, then I won't learn from anyone else! Just me.
I'll stop sarging with players who teach me their knowledge and shave years off my path to success.

(03-06-2012 02:50 PM)jerome Wrote:  

My advice find guys who have 100 plus lays. Yes lays mean something. And hang out with them. Just by winging you will get laid. Success breeds confidence. Find as many 100 plus lay gusy as you can. And you will find success and more importantly real friends.

Oh wait, I can go out with the top players, I was confused. Thanks!

(03-06-2012 02:50 PM)jerome Wrote:  

RSD is a for profit business. Understand. A car dealership is a for profit business.

RSD is a for profit business, just like a car dealership? Wow, they must be bad people out to get my money, huh. Maybe I should just give up my desk job in sales, since I am a for profit business too.

[Sebastian]

Anyone knows This psychological term? I forgot.

It's about one made a bad decision. Instead of admitting his fault, he tries to justify it because he can't reverse it anyways, it will make him feel better and it won't make him look bad in front of other people.
(eg: I heard this guy bought stupid audio set from the parking lot. His friends laughed at him. He claimed how he enjoyed the sound system and it was worth it. Would he ever buy it again from the parking lot? What kind of fuckin idiot is he if he even recommends it to his friends?)

[Enfant_Terrible]

Whenever I hear RSD, I'm reminded of the "cartwheel opener" guy

[germanico]

Y'all need to read some Tolle.

[Saladin]

(03-07-2012 03:35 PM)jerome Wrote:  

(03-07-2012 12:30 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

[quote] (03-07-2012 09:54 AM)Dyonisos Wrote:  

Hey Playas (this is Mixx's wing here), I've gotten so much value out of this board it's not even funny, so I just wanted to give where I can...

Yes, I am Mixx's wing. That man has built my game from the ground up over the last couple years. As many members know, he is a damn good friend and all of the success I get with women now is largely due to what I have learned from him. I owe him everything.



It never hurts to have an open mind buddy.

I agree it doesn't hurt to have an open mind. At the same time you are a man, who know himself. And know when a con is on.

RSD is a for profit business. Understand. A car dealership is a for profit business.

RSD has an agenda.

To sale a dream. So how can you have an open mind. Knowing the truth about there agenda and goals.

RSD goal is to make money, not to help you get the girl you want.

If they did that, than the jig is up.

Nobody said they'd get someone every girl they wanted. But they can help shorten the learning curve for learning game especially because they are great at night game.

[jerome]

(03-07-2012 09:54 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

[quote] (03-07-2012 03:35 PM)jerome Wrote:  

[quote] (03-07-2012 12:30 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

[quote='G Trooper' pid='172725' dateline='1330999348']
Hey Playas (this is Mixx's wing here), I've gotten so much value out of this board it's not even funny, so I just wanted to give where I can...

Nobody said they'd get someone every girl they wanted. But they can help shorten the learning curve for learning game especially because they are great at night game.[/quote]

True to a certain extent. But at what price.

Is RSD good at marketing or perhaps there okay at game.

Which is true? I never said they suck. But it certainly not worth 2k.

Do you want a shortcut? Are do you want to workhard on your game.

Its like studying for an exam. Do you want to study, or do you want to cheat.

Have you ask for pictures of these girls, in broad daylight.

Any good pua, have pictures of girls they fuck.

Everyone has a smart phone. Its not that hard to create evidence of actual game. You would think it would be in RSD interest to show some evidence.

Not cut and paste, where it is extremely dark and faded videos. You can tell the girls are not hot.

Last thought, five years from now, the truth will emerge.

Do I speak the truth, or perhaps you have found a false messiah.

My advice is free, fill with concern and honesty.

What is RSD agenda? to help you or to use you.

5 years from now, the evidence will be known. Your game will not improve. Ive seen there students, they don't improve.

Its like Tony Robbins, you feel mot ivied and good, but you skill has not improve.

[oldnemesis]

(03-07-2012 12:13 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

But you didn't answer the question.

I did, by explaining why your question doesn't make a lot of sense.

[oldnemesis]

(03-07-2012 02:52 AM)jerome Wrote:  

Have you sarge with them? No you haven't.
So you don't know the truth. You are drinking koolaide.

I've seen him in action when I attended the bootcamp some time ago.
Next time please don't make assumption about the people you don't even know.

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I seek the truth, don't get me wrong tyler and julian are qualified to teacn nerds.
They are not qualified teach advance guys.

Kudos for you. I do not consider myself "advance guy" in that regard, and I'm sure I will never be one as this is not my goal. Indeed if you consider yourself advanced you likely won't benefit from it enough to justify even the time spent.

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I know tyler game, inside out. His real game. Not his highlight video reel. Cut and paste. ask him to show you pictures of girls he bang. No pictures and if he did, there only pictures of very average girls.

Don't get me wrong they get laid, but they aren't that much better than your advance everyday pua.

This would probably be the last thing which I'd be interested in. If you think it is important, I'm afraid you have no idea what the teaching is about.

From what you say the best personal trainer in gym must be the dude with the largest muscles. Hell, if I can do more bicep curls than my trainer, this means I know the shit better than him and I should be teaching him bicep curls!

You're getting more and more ridiculous.

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Real game recognize real game. You cannot fool a real player.
When I met them, I knew there game was okay. But not advance.

Well, the obvious question here is how much your opinion worth?
You may think you're real player. Which may or may nor be the case, as the evidence of such is, let's say, not very convincing - you only have 20 or so posts here, and most of them you spent bashing RSD. Personally at this moment I don't believe you at all.

[oldnemesis]

(03-07-2012 05:24 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

If you hire a personal trainer, they will work with you for a while.
How about you hire the guy just for 3 sessions and ask him 'hey teach me everything I need to know about getting in shape, then I will work on it by myself'

My point was that you won't get in shape just by listening to him for three days. And you will not get in shape in three days even if you work them out 24/7. You have to put effort, your results will be visible after some time and will only depend on how much effort you put in.

Of course if all you need is a drill sergeant which would scream on you "work harder!", then you don't really need a personal trainer.

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Yes there is no silver bullet. Nobody would have such expectation to get laid with supermodels. it's not about 3 days. it will never happen.
Most people just want to have girls slightly above their looks which is not impossible at all.

Everyone has different goals, and willing to put different amount of effort to reach those goals. My goal, for example, is very different from what you described.

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But what's wrong with having a high expectation when you throw $2Gs?

There is nothing wrong with having high expectations - as long as your expectations are realistic.
Expecting a major change and results right away just because you spent three days with a dude is unrealistic expectation.

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It's not like you buy workout dvds for $50 and expect to lose the weight. If I am spending $2000, I better see the results.

This means for you the value they provide is not worth $2K. Which is completely fine. For example to me the value of Supebowl ticket is way below its typical price (I wouldn't go there even if it was free), but apparently a lot of people are paying some ridiculous amounts of money for them. What can I say? Their money, their choice.

Two guys in my group actually were there for fun, for the kind of "been there, seen that" kind of experience. You think it is ridiculous someone would spend $2K just to come in for several hours and watch people doing stuff? That's how I feel about Superbowl.

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I don't think you learned from this. So you saw even experienced guys got rejected (common sense) I thin you should've realized 'oh this is not about reading a lot of stuff and going to bootcamps, it's about not giving a fuck and learning by trial and error.

Apparently you didn't understand anything. But this is fine. Find a real job, and when you start making 2K in four days you will probably understand it.

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To be honest, I admire these guys for their marketing tactics.
All they do is travelling different countries, doing some speech and hitting up the bar at night, banging women all over the world.

Are you doing it too? Sounds like an easy job the way you describe it.

[oldnemesis]

(03-07-2012 06:26 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Firstly don't mistake my distaste with the industry as a slight on you. I'm not hating on anyone who goes to a seminar. It's your money,you can do whatever you want however I think you have fallen into a marketing trap and have been ripped off. I don't want others to do the same that is all.

Well, there seem to be some little difference here - I have been to a bootcamp and you haven't. I'd consider it important.

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RSD and the other companies market themselves as being able to get people good with women and get them to the point where they can seduce highly attractive women,9's and 10's.

You're talking about the RSD and about the three day bootcamp, right? I never seen such marketing, but assuming there were such claims, I wouldn't believe it anyway. Not to mention this was not what I wanted, as I have no interest in seducing highly attractive women.

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Now you seem a clued up guy,no doubt had success with women and know you can take the claims with a pinch of salt. However this kind of marketing appeals to guys who are desperate for success with women,virgins,people with social skill problems,self esteem issues.

My guess is that those people would benefit much more from a bootcamp than a dude like me who doesn't trust anyone and doesn't believe in anything unless I can see it, touch it and repeat it myself.

This also makes me wonder how many of people with such issues attend the bootcamps? Maybe my group was unique, but none of us had any social issues or had problems walking to a group of chicks and starting talking to them. None of us also looked like someone who spent a year to save $2K either. One dude openly admitted he's there just for fun (he was still doing quite well though).

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They sell it that if you give them $3000 USD ( I just saw a site offering their 3 day seminar for that price ) and go out sarging with them you can achieve that level of game,not after the first seminar maybe but buy a few more and eventually you will get there.

I cannot say for what "the other companies" or even other RSD instructors claim to their students, but I can say that nothing like that was said to me or to anyone in my group (and I'd laugh my ass off if I was). I asked Tyler about the typical game progress and he said one will get from zero to a proficient level in 6-9 months if he is going out at least three nights a week and approaches at least ten chicks every night.

Quote:

You say you have seen Tyler in action,great! You did that after paying up $$$. If I am going to pay $$$ I want to see the evidence first,then I will decide if I want to invest after I have seen his skills.

Haha, this was exactly what I asked them in the first email - how do I know if the program is good, if I gonna learn what I want? Well, they had the money back guarantee with pretty simple terms - which they clarified over the email (so I had the hard copy in case they wouldn't want to honor it and I'd have to sue them). So the risk was very limited.

Quote:

All I have seen is his average looking wife which is cool,marry who you want BUT don't then try telling me you can show me some secret about sleeping with 10's if you ain't doing so. I think that is fair don't you?

Yes, I think that is fair.

Quote:

Now you say people can spend their money how they want and I agree 100% HOWEVER I don't like seeing people being ripped off and $3000 for three days of talks and hitting a club is a massive rip off. How can such a price be justified for so minimal effort?

It's a good question. What they offer is basically a kind of shortcut. To achieve the goal you can either spend no money and X hours, or you can spend $500 and X/2 hours. Or you can spend $5K and X/3 hours. A typical money-time conversion, which obviously makes no sense for the people who have a lot of time but little money.

Quote:

All the info is already out there on the web and you can find a wing and go out for free practising that stuff. Right?

Right. You can learn everything on your own. Even driving and skydiving. It will just take longer.

Quote:

I have a friend from NYC. A mid twenties guy, unattractive,short,fat and with few social skills,he'd had two girlfriends and they were well below average looks wise. Quite a cool guy to talk to though. Anyway he saw my FB photos with Russian ( I have spent time in numerous FSU countries gaming in the provinces solo and having adventures ) women and asked me if he could get laid with a hot Slav in Russia. I thought it would be good to find out. So I invited him on a trip to the Russian provinces with me. He saved up and we booked flights. I told him to read Mysteries book on the plane to Moscow. We chose a random town 15 hours by train from Moscow. We rolled into town in the early hours checked into the soviet monolith in the centre and went out cold approaching constantly for three days.

Do you and your friend speak fluent Russian, and can at least read Cyrillic? I assume you do, so do you understand that you're one of the very, very few Americans who can do it, and this is definitely NOT easy? You do understand how difficult it would be to an average dude speaking only English just to get to the train station and buy the train ticket, and how many people would even understand what he said in a random town 15 hours from Moscow?

[bface]

So much negativity in here...

RSD helped me turn my life around a few years ago. Their stuff definitely "works".

And no, I didn't spend any money on it. Their free tour gave me the motivation and they have a lot of free material. But I will definitely attend a bootcamp or another event in the future when I have some spare money, even if it is just to give something back for the value I have received.

[Sebastian]

I don't understand why someone has to suck RSD cocks this much. this is the evidence that they were a beta from the beginning.
let me throw an example. you went to this restaurant. you enjoyed it very much. you posted a good review about it.
you also noticed very bad opinion about them too.
Now if you are Secure with Yourself, you wouldn't worry about it.

Only people with insecurity will try to argue with other people with different opinions.
'WTF, you didn't like their food? maybe you don't understand what real gourmet food is, hell the chef went to very famous culinary school, I don't get it why you didn't like that' -> this is what you are doing (you know whom I am talking about)

If you liked it fine, it's your life but don't try to change our opinions.

[The Fantasist]

(03-08-2012 01:02 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Do you and your friend speak fluent Russian, and can at least read Cyrillic? I assume you do, so do you understand that you're one of the very, very few Americans who can do it, and this is definitely NOT easy? You do understand how difficult it would be to an average dude speaking only English just to get to the train station and buy the train ticket, and how many people would even understand what he said in a random town 15 hours from Moscow?

You make a valid point.

I only said Russia because I had seen an inexperienced guy do really well there with my own eyes ( I think Greece or Spain would be a better choice in the summer resorts ) I'm English but yeah I speak a certain level of Russian ( way way below fluency though ). My American friend learnt some words on the flight to Moscow from NYC, he had nothing more. We were actually unbelievably lucky in that most of the girls we met spoke English either because they worked in our hotel or ( and this must have been a 100,000 to one shot ) because we literally bumped into two girls who had just returned from a semester at a university somewhere in New York. That was the gods interfering and making it happen kind of stuff because they fell into our laps and we just had to not balls it up during the evening for the bangs to happen ( if this was a private forum I would post photos of my mate and his girl to show you how shit he is looks wise and yet still got laid ).

So my point was that my mate had a holiday that he will never forget,he had an adventure, saw Moscow,visited a remote city and partied it up with some great women. He practised,got better, got laid and now that experience has changed his life direction. Where as a guy on a $2000 RSD seminar has paid a guy a lot of money to theorise about getting '10's for a couple of days without backing it up.

Each to their own.

[Saladin]

(03-08-2012 03:09 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I don't understand why someone has to suck RSD cocks this much. this is the evidence that they were a beta from the beginning.
let me throw an example. you went to this restaurant. you enjoyed it very much. you posted a good review about it.
you also noticed very bad opinion about them too.
Now if you are Secure with Yourself, you wouldn't worry about it.

Only people with insecurity will try to argue with other people with different opinions.
'WTF, you didn't like their food? maybe you don't understand what real gourmet food is, hell the chef went to very famous culinary school, I don't get it why you didn't like that' -> this is what you are doing (you know whom I am talking about)

If you liked it fine, it's your life but don't try to change our opinions.

Nobody's sucking RSD cocks. Nobody said it was a magic pill or could you get laid with models. All I said was that it could lower your learning curve while oldnemesis also is being reasonable in that it does help but it won't make you into a pickup superstar.

For some people, it may be worth the money. Thats was oldnemesis has been saying all along. Thats a far more reasonable stance than claiming RSD has no value.

[Screwston]

Why can't people just practice at the mall like most players do in the beginning? Maybe I'm old school. Shit, give me $500 and I'll teach you more than these clowns ever will.

[Sebastian]

Exactly. guys who go to this kind of bootcamps, have never done cold approaches in their life. I am sure they don't have good natural friends either. So they go to those bootcamps, see the instructor in action (they are not at national level. you see at least couple guys like them in every crowded bars), they get pumped up, they think they would have to approach since they spent $$$ to attend this bootcamp or the instructor forces them to do it.
they just realize the hidden power in them.

how about hand 5 X $20 bills to your friend and tell him 'every time I do cold approach, give me $20 back. If I don't do it enough, the rest is yours'

(03-08-2012 04:36 AM)houston Wrote:  

Why can't people just practice at the mall like most players do in the beginning? Maybe I'm old school. Shit, give me $500 and I'll teach you more than these clowns ever will.

[Aliblahba]

I read through a lot of the PUA stuff a few years out of curiosity. Too much smoke and mirrors. Bang and Day Bang, pound for pound, stack up, and is way cheaper than a bootcamp.

[Dyonisos]

(03-07-2012 12:30 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

(03-07-2012 09:54 AM)Dyonisos Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 09:02 PM)G Trooper Wrote:  

Hey Playas (this is Mixx's wing here), I've gotten so much value out of this board it's not even funny, so I just wanted to give where I can...

A couple weeks back, a forum member here posted a clip of infield footage from Tyler Durden, which turned me on to Real Social Dynamics. Last week I went to an event in Miami from Real Social Dynamics. Basically, Tyler is doing this one day teaching seminar in cities all across the U.S. Also, RSD is having other coaches at the same level teach seminars all over the world.

During the event they go over in-field footage and go over game for 10-11 hours in one day. It costs 300 bucks and was worth 3 times that, personally. Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced playas will all get something out of this.

http://rsdhotseat.com/

Good luck playas!

There is something i don't get. You introduce yourself as Mixx's wing.. If you really sarge with Mixx who is very skilled player you can learn from him.. Why on earth did you take a workshop with RSD??

Yes, I am Mixx's wing. That man has built my game from the ground up over the last couple years. As many members know, he is a damn good friend and all of the success I get with women now is largely due to what I have learned from him. I owe him everything.

Yes, I went to the event. I am not at an advanced level, although there were actually a few people there attending that we're advanced, and just went with an open mind. I am always looking for ways to improve, whether it be reading a good book by Roosh, And going to a seminar, I'm open to anything and everything where I can learn something.

It never hurts to have an open mind buddy.

Are guys from RSD better at picking up girls than Mixx? Or they are only better teachers? I dont know Mixx but he comes as a top player. I dont think guys from RSD have that sharp game.
One of my frineds is a natural with really tight game. I know that he is better than 99% of seduction community including so called "trainers" in my country. Every time i go out with him i can learn a lot just watching him interacting with girls.

[G Trooper]

Personally, I'd say Mixx is the best. I know I'm biased because he's my homeboy and the majority of my game and experience is thanks to him...

[Roosh]

While a lot of guys take bootcamps for the magic bullet, others take it to shorten their learning curve.

I could learn a language on my own, but it would take much longer than if I ponied up the cash and did an intensive course with a native speaker.

When learning anything, one has to factor in money and time.

[jerome]

(03-07-2012 12:52 PM)Thesoloist Wrote:  

Great thread and great points by Vorkuta, Jerome etc

I really don't have anything to add

personally speaking If I had 3g's I would travel to Vegas and Cali for self or better yet invest in a year worth of gym

(03-07-2012 11:25 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-07-2012 02:52 AM)jerome Wrote:  

Have you sarge with them? No you haven't.
So you don't know the truth. You are drinking koolaide.

I've seen him in action when I attended the bootcamp some time ago.
Next time please don't make assumption about the people you don't even know.

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I seek the truth, don't get me wrong tyler and julian are qualified to teacn nerds.
They are not qualified teach advance guys.

Kudos for you. I do not consider myself "advance guy" in that regard, and I'm sure I will never be one as this is not my goal. Indeed if you consider yourself advanced you likely won't benefit from it enough to justify even the time spent.

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I know tyler game, inside out. His real game. Not his highlight video reel. Cut and paste. ask him to show you pictures of girls he bang. No pictures and if he did, there only pictures of very average girls.

Don't get me wrong they get laid, but they aren't that much better than your advance everyday pua.

This would probably be the last thing which I'd be interested in. If you think it is important, I'm afraid you have no idea what the teaching is about.

From what you say the best personal trainer in gym must be the dude with the largest muscles. Hell, if I can do more bicep curls than my trainer, this means I know the shit better than him and I should be teaching him bicep curls!

You're getting more and more ridiculous.

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Real game recognize real game. You cannot fool a real player.
When I met them, I knew there game was okay. But not advance.

Well, the obvious question here is how much your opinion worth?
You may think you're real player. Which may or may nor be the case, as the evidence of such is, let's say, not very convincing - you only have 20 or so posts here, and most of them you spent bashing RSD. Personally at this moment I don't believe you at all.

Hey, I was just giving my objective opinion.

Yes I do know Tyler, and his crew. You saw him make one approach against an aver- girl where they had a good interaction, did she follow him, was he able to move her across the room,? No he didn't. He couldn't move her.

That totally says it all. Have you wing and sarge with him?

No you haven't. You saw him. How objective is that.

Do me a little research, ask another RSD coach or Tyler, who are the best game he RSD company. The the truth will emerge.

His name is a the the bottom with Julien. Ask for the truth buddy. Stop wasting your time arguing with me. Do you research before you make assumption.

Case close. Just ask Tyler. Maybe ask for some pics too. Good be a smart move. May cut down on your con, learning curve.

3-5 years from now, you will look back on this. Did your game improve because of RSD, or did you simply work hard.

The answer will be reveal to all of us.

Ive seen there students. They don't improve. They think they do.

How do you know if you improve. It is base on how many girl you lay or that you have a girlfriend.

[RedBull]

(03-08-2012 04:36 AM)houston Wrote:  

Why can't people just practice at the mall like most players do in the beginning? Maybe I'm old school. Shit, give me $500 and I'll teach you more than these clowns ever will.

i got $5

(03-06-2012 12:52 AM)houston Wrote:  

Is Sasha involved?

LOL I'd imagine LOL His troll accounts never cease to amaze me