[Samseau]

(03-09-2012 02:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Let's stop with the Asian bashing.

Seriously.

I love the hypocrisy on these boards - people get banned every time race discussions about Blacks or Latino's come up, but it's okay to make fun of Asians and Indians.

[Sebastian]

I am Asian. I don't know what to say to Asians who were born here. But as an immigrant, I know I should work 2x 3 x harder than Americans to live the same. I knew I would have to study 2x more to get the same grade as other American students. (No English background). I knew I would have to work harder to make friends (No American culture background) So it's the same for getting women.
This is common when you try to live in a different country.

Of course, Americans don't care how hard you are trying. they don't understand or don't want to know what you are doing in the back to learn the culture and language. they just see where you are at right now.
I am not being rude here. Go to other countries. Speak couple phrases in their language. they will go nuts. you do something weird or rude by their culture because you didn't know. they understand.

I learned that's just the way it is here. you either deal with it or Leave.
you don't get a special treatment as an foreigner.
I learned hard way. When you talk to a chick at the bar or club, first couple sentences are crucial.
I say something like 'what are you drinking'. If a girl says 'what?' couple times, it's over.
It took me couple years just to carry simple conversation in a noisy environment.
I am trying to learn advance techniques to build emotional connection now.

I used to get upset when I see mixed group having fun (all white) because I felt like I didn't belong to them.
(I know someone will blame me on this one. Think about you go to a bar in asian countries. full of them talking in their language. do you get scared or no?)
I realized it's about how you carry yourself. (still have uncomfortable feeling but I try not to show it)
I couldn't talk to or or got ignored by those hot chicks that even American guys would have hard time on.
Now I don't have problem approaching them, teasing them and getting #s. (laying them is different level. once I reach that I won't come here lol)
At the bar, I see average or even good looking American guys just checking out chicks and hanging out by themselves (maybe they came to have a bro night lol) and you see this asian guy without the same language, culture background hitting on one of their chicks and kissing them in front of them.
It might sound too cocky but you have to be a narcissist at some degree. I hope you guys realize how easier it would be for you to approach those chicks.
I used to feel inferior (looks different, don't fully understand the culture, have an accent) but now I see myself different way,
different-bad to different-adventure. It's how you market yourself.

I don't give myself asian discount anymore. (the women who message me on online dating are fat single moms or unattractive ones, so it made me think 'I only deserve those quality of women?')
If you think you deserve women who's lower quality than you, they will see through it when you hit on attractive ones.

My friend say, I wish I had your height 6'2". I say I wish I was born here. (fluent in culture and language)
So technically, 6'2" American guy should have no problem with a game? No
I think the answer is in yourself.

[scotian]

Great post Sebastian, my beef with this video is why is there an Asian specific game coach? Shouldn't the ideas and principles of game (as defined by Roosh) transcend race? Maybe its because of my "white privilege" that I don't get it, but it seems odd to me that they would pick the venue that they did.

[Screwston]

Why is that big guy's belly hanging out like that? Damn. You'd think that girl and the "pick up coach" would make sure their clothes are on point before looking for girls. I really feel bad for these guys that they don't have player friends or family members that will help them out.

[JofSuperman]

(03-09-2012 11:59 AM)houston Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 11:20 AM)JofSuperman Wrote:  

People shouldn't be so quick to bash dating coaches.

Being someone that pirated every pickup product for years off of torrents, and then took a bootcamp, I can tell you there is some shit you just will never learn from just reading an ebook.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-09-2012 07:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Great post Sebastian, my beef with this video is why is there an Asian specific game coach? Shouldn't the ideas and principles of game (as defined by Roosh) transcend race? Maybe its because of my "white privilege" that I don't get it, but it seems odd to me that they would pick the venue that they did.

Because according to Asian Playboy (from reading him before and I happen to agree...), Asian guys who're Westernized didn't have many Asian male role models who conveyed sexuality that turns women on.

Combine that with Western femnazi programming/double-standards, Western media's emasculation of the Asian male, and a traditional upbringing where the men's priority is to take care of and uplift the immigrant family (hence why you see many Asian dudes focusing on studies or work) instead of flirting with girls or partying, and you have a bunch of men who don't know what to do with themselves around non-Asian women.

So in comes Asian Playboy who has navigated through the Western sexual trenches and came back with the knowledge to teach his Asian brothers...for a price...

Being immigrants in any given country, the stakes are raised to be productive and prosperous members of society...so no almost no time for men to think about banging lots of girls.

In the case of Filipinos...our culture's a little more relaxed when it comes to sex, education, and working compared to other Asian cultures. I could talk about the fascinating and untold history of Filipinos in America, where it's exclusively men at first and they only had white women to bang...but I digress...

Anyway, to summarize:
tradition + femnazi programming + Western media emasculation = less sex for Asian dudes

[Saladin]

(03-09-2012 10:29 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 07:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Great post Sebastian, my beef with this video is why is there an Asian specific game coach? Shouldn't the ideas and principles of game (as defined by Roosh) transcend race? Maybe its because of my "white privilege" that I don't get it, but it seems odd to me that they would pick the venue that they did.

Because according to Asian Playboy (from reading him before and I happen to agree...), Asian guys who're Westernized didn't have many Asian male role models who conveyed sexuality that turns women on.

Combine that with Western femnazi programming/double-standards, Western media's emasculation of the Asian male, and a traditional upbringing where the men's priority is to take care of and uplift the immigrant family (hence why you see many Asian dudes focusing on studies or work) instead of flirting with girls or partying, and you have a bunch of men who don't know what to do with themselves around non-Asian women.

So in comes Asian Playboy who has navigated through the Western sexual trenches and came back with the knowledge to teach his Asian brothers...for a price...

Being immigrants in any given country, the stakes are raised to be productive and prosperous members of society...so no almost no time for men to think about banging lots of girls.

In the case of Filipinos...our culture's a little more relaxed when it comes to sex, education, and working compared to other Asian cultures. I could talk about the fascinating and untold history of Filipinos in America, where it's exclusively men at first and they only had white women to bang...but I digress...

Anyway, to summarize:
tradition + femnazi programming + Western media emasculation = less sex for Asian dudes

The issue with Asian Playboy is that he plains sucks. The level that other companies are at is way higher. I know an instructor, I would never him coach me(He's had sex with 10-11 girls). Its a simply marketing ploy to take money from insecure Asian guys. They'd be much better off with Roosh or RSD.

[scotian]

Well put Enfant_Terrible, this is a subject that I'm not too familiar with but would like to know more.

I agree that the "stereotype" of Asian guys being academically focused is true but that they are all nerdy doesn't really hold weight. Sure there's Asian nerds in movies but there have been many non Asian nerds in American culture such as the TV shows Big Bang or Family Matters (Steve Urkel, a black nerd) or movies like "Revenge of the Nerds.

In Alberta some of the biggest gangsters/"alpha" males are Asian guys and trust me, they can be seen with some hot white women and especially Asian dimes, same goes for cities like Vancouver. I haven't spent enough time in the states to know what its like down there, but I'm pretty sure that guys with money, status, confidence, etc can pull anywhere, irregardless of race. I think that proper game will help any guy achieve his goals, no matter what race, but you have to be reasonable in your goals and that's why I found this video disturbing.

As an example, I'm currently in Colombia and as a gringo, I don't bother going to the big salsa clubs because I know that I can't keep up with the locals on the dance floor and being able to dance well, especially in these clubs is key to gaming here. Instead I go to clubs that play electronica or american style music, where dancing is more relaxed. I've also been having luck in rock/metal bars where girls are more open to foreign music, I stay away from the clubs playing pure Latino or Colombian music, for now anyway.

Too Short said it best in his song "Get in where you fit in"

[The Fantasist]

(03-09-2012 07:15 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I am Asian. I don't know what to say to Asians who were born here. But as an immigrant, I know I should work 2x 3 x harder than Americans to live the same. I knew I would have to study 2x more to get the same grade as other American students. (No English background). I knew I would have to work harder to make friends (No American culture background) So it's the same for getting women.
This is common when you try to live in a different country.

Of course, Americans don't care how hard you are trying. they don't understand or don't want to know what you are doing in the back to learn the culture and language. they just see where you are at right now.
I am not being rude here. Go to other countries. Speak couple phrases in their language. they will go nuts. you do something weird or rude by their culture because you didn't know. they understand.

I learned that's just the way it is here. you either deal with it or Leave.
you don't get a special treatment as an foreigner.
I learned hard way. When you talk to a chick at the bar or club, first couple sentences are crucial.
I say something like 'what are you drinking'. If a girl says 'what?' couple times, it's over.
It took me couple years just to carry simple conversation in a noisy environment.
I am trying to learn advance techniques to build emotional connection now.

I used to get upset when I see mixed group having fun (all white) because I felt like I didn't belong to them.
(I know someone will blame me on this one. Think about you go to a bar in asian countries. full of them talking in their language. do you get scared or no?)
I realized it's about how you carry yourself. (still have uncomfortable feeling but I try not to show it)
I couldn't talk to or or got ignored by those hot chicks that even American guys would have hard time on.
Now I don't have problem approaching them, teasing them and getting #s. (laying them is different level. once I reach that I won't come here lol)
At the bar, I see average or even good looking American guys just checking out chicks and hanging out by themselves (maybe they came to have a bro night lol) and you see this asian guy without the same language, culture background hitting on one of their chicks and kissing them in front of them.
It might sound too cocky but you have to be a narcissist at some degree. I hope you guys realize how easier it would be for you to approach those chicks.
I used to feel inferior (looks different, don't fully understand the culture, have an accent) but now I see myself different way,
different-bad to different-adventure. It's how you market yourself.

I don't give myself asian discount anymore. (the women who message me on online dating are fat single moms or unattractive ones, so it made me think 'I only deserve those quality of women?')
If you think you deserve women who's lower quality than you, they will see through it when you hit on attractive ones.

My friend say, I wish I had your height 6'2". I say I wish I was born here. (fluent in culture and language)
So technically, 6'2" American guy should have no problem with a game? No
I think the answer is in yourself.

Top post.

We are all battling against hindrances to varying degrees of one sort or another whether it be language,race,lack of status,looks,upbringing. However as you implied there is no point crying about it. Just roll your sleeves up and get on with it.

I have a massive cock,incredibly handsome and I make ten million a year as a fitness model. It's really tough at times but with counselling I'm getting through it.

[Giovonny]

(03-09-2012 07:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Great post Sebastian, my beef with this video is why is there an Asian specific game coach? Shouldn't the ideas and principles of game (as defined by Roosh) transcend race?

I think every culture has certain little customs, social norms, and behaviors that are slightly different from other cultures. These are the things that you have to adjust when you assimilate yourself into another culture or try to bang women from another culture.

Isn't that why guys come to this forum when researching trips abroad? They want to learn the dating/mating customs of other cultures. Then we take that information and adjust our own behavior to give ourselves the best chance with those women.

I actually think it makes some sense to have a successful Asian playboy teaching fellow Asian men about Game. He will have unique insights into their culture and customs that non-Asians might not have. Of course, much of this Game stuff does transcend race, but sometimes it's important to address little cultural nuances that could be hurting your success.

(03-09-2012 07:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Maybe its because of my "white privilege" that I don't get it

Well, please don't take this the wrong way but I think that could be what it is.

As a white man in North America, you are a member of the majority and dominant culture. You don't have to "fit in" or try to "blend in". Some other cultures have to adjust a few things about the way they talk, walk, speak, carry themselves, communicate with others, etc. For example of you moved to India, Iraq, Japan, Nigeria, I'm sure you would have to adjust to a few little cultural differences coming from North America. You wouldn't force your customs and social norms onto them probably.

If that makes any sense?

Please don't take this the wrong way, it's just intellectual conversation, about a sensitive topic, I don't want to start another stupid race flame thread. (Don't tell Hydro)

[jerome]

(03-10-2012 11:48 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 07:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Great post Sebastian, my beef with this video is why is there an Asian specific game coach? Shouldn't the ideas and principles of game (as defined by Roosh) transcend race?

I think every culture has certain little customs, social norms, and behaviors that are slightly different from other cultures. These are the things that you have to adjust when you assimilate yourself into another culture or try to bang women from another culture.



I actually think it makes some sense to have a successful Asian playboy teaching fellow Asian men about Game. He will have unique insights into their culture and customs that non-Asians might not have. Of course, much of this Game stuff does transcend race, but sometimes it's important to address little cultural nuances that could be hurting your success.

I don't think Asian Playboy is qualified to teach. . He is only qualified to teach beginners at best. From what I hear from his client. They don't really get better. They just think they do. Reality versus delusion.

I don't think Asian men need Asian coaches. Yes its true there some racism and stereotypes. But good game trend-send all. Most girls are open minded, besides all women are attracted to men, real men. Regardless of race, she still has to fuck someone.

Obviously I wouldn't advise gaming in the middle east. Focus on open minded girls, its call Canada, NYC, LA...Las Vegas.

[the chef]

all of these pick up artists seminar bullshits are so fucking gimmicky. all of this fucking whack ass lingo... "negging"... DHV... IOI... seriously? work out, read books, be interesting, go out. is it really that hard? why do people need to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to make themselves feel better. everyone starts out at different places but with hard work and discipline you'll eventually get what you want. the learning curve is longer for certain people who are conditioned in a certain way, but like what roosh said, it's the journey that matters.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-10-2012 04:42 PM)the chef Wrote:  

all of these pick up artists seminar bullshits are so fucking gimmicky. all of this fucking whack ass lingo... "negging"... DHV... IOI... seriously? work out, read books, be interesting, go out. is it really that hard? why do people need to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars to make themselves feel better. everyone starts out at different places but with hard work and discipline you'll eventually get what you want. the learning curve is longer for certain people who are conditioned in a certain way, but like what roosh said, it's the journey that matters.

Self-realization.

That's key, without it you won't come to those conclusions (work out, read books, etc) on what it takes to be interesting.

It IS that hard if you're entrenched in your own cultural bias/environment or very limited social circle. I understand...I was like those guys.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-10-2012 04:44 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Well put Enfant_Terrible, this is a subject that I'm not too familiar with but would like to know more.

I agree that the "stereotype" of Asian guys being academically focused is true but that they are all nerdy doesn't really hold weight. Sure there's Asian nerds in movies but there have been many non Asian nerds in American culture such as the TV shows Big Bang or Family Matters (Steve Urkel, a black nerd) or movies like "Revenge of the Nerds.

Yes but nerds are nerds. Being a nerd is slowly being accepted as sexy by some girls but I'm skeptical. Most of the time though...male nerds = non-sexual image

(snip). I haven't spent enough time in the states to know what its like down there, but I'm pretty sure that guys with money, status, confidence, etc can pull anywhere, irregardless of race. I think that proper game will help any guy achieve his goals, no matter what race, but you have to be reasonable in your goals and that's why I found this video disturbing.

I'd like to respectfully point out that your "white privilege" shows here. Yes, proper game will help only after you know that it exists.

Like in my reply to the chef above, if you're entrenched in your very limited social circle or in other words, "stuck to your kind" combined with oppressive social forces, the chances of self-realization of what attracts the non-Asian woman and what it takes to be an interesting man overall will be difficult.

Proper game? Absolutely...but it took me years, to even discover that there's such a thing because I stuck with my nerdy/dorky/LTR-oriented peers. I was lucky to have the hunger and curiosity to seek out my happiness which led to artistic pursuits, more hobbies, traveling, and discovering game.

(snip) Instead I go to clubs that play electronica or american style music, where dancing is more relaxed. I've also been having luck in rock/metal bars where girls are more open to foreign music, I stay away from the clubs playing pure Latino or Colombian music, for now anyway.

scotian, if I ever get my money situation settled and save up for Montreal, I'll join you in these rock/metal bars and hit up the metal chicks...I don't think these bars exist in LA. I'm a rock / metal guy too.

[JoyStick]

i been turned down for being asian before by a chick that said she only fucks with white and hispanic people. it bruised the ego a little bit but i got over it and fucked her roommate instead.

i'm cambodian and the trick to getting white girls interested is just to frame yourself as exotic instead of just different. i play the foreign card all the time. once you show that you're an interesting guy, being asian is just extra cool points instead of a handicap. as long as you give off the right vibe you could turn random shit like "eating with chopsticks" sexy.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-12-2012 05:36 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

i been turned down for being asian before by a chick that said she only fucks with white and hispanic people. it bruised the ego a little bit but i got over it and fucked her roommate instead.

i'm cambodian and the trick to getting white girls interested is just to frame yourself as exotic instead of just different. i play the foreign card all the time. once you show that you're an interesting guy, being asian is just extra cool points instead of a handicap. as long as you give off the right vibe you could turn random shit like "eating with chopsticks" sexy.

you could totally turn that into a kino routine where you show her how to use chopsticks, so that means you should only cook noodle dishes or take her to noodle places for this to happen

[jerome]

(03-12-2012 05:36 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

i been turned down for being asian before by a chick that said she only fucks with white and hispanic people. it bruised the ego a little bit but i got over it and fucked her roommate instead.

i'm cambodian and the trick to getting white girls interested is just to frame yourself as exotic instead of just different. i play the foreign card all the time. once you show that you're an interesting guy, being asian is just extra cool points instead of a handicap. as long as you give off the right vibe you could turn random shit like "eating with chopsticks" sexy.

If you were short, she would say she don't like short guys, if you were bald she would mock you, if your eyebrow look weird she would mock you too. Some white girls don't date white guys. So this can go on for ever.

As a man know what you want, and push for what you want.

It doesn't matter, its just an objection. Don't take it personality. Some girls, like to say mean things. That just how it is.

[JoyStick]

(03-12-2012 07:30 AM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

you could totally turn that into a kino routine where you show her how to use chopsticks, so that means you should only cook noodle dishes or take her to noodle places for this to happen

haha.. i tried teaching girls before but i have never incorporated kino into it. that's a good idea!

it's hard teaching someone to eat with chopsticks though. i usually just give up and hand them a fork before their noodles get soggy.

[JoyStick]

(03-12-2012 08:59 AM)jerome Wrote:  

If you were short, she would say she don't like short guys, if you were bald she would mock you, if your eyebrow look weird she would mock you too. Some white girls don't date white guys. So this can go on for ever.

As a man know what you want, and push for what you want.

It doesn't matter, its just an objection. Don't take it personality. Some girls, like to say mean things. That just how it is.

i hear you bro. nice input.

[JoyStick]

(03-09-2012 09:17 PM)houston Wrote:  

I really feel bad for these guys that they don't have player friends or family members that will help them out.

i think the biggest disadvantage for asian dudes is the fact that they don't really have any good examples of ladies men growing up. in some places in asia they still practice arranged marriages.. so a bunch of old school asians never had to game any girls. they just had to be polite to her parents and ask for her hand in marriage. they don't realize how the dating scene is totally different from the homeland so they teach their sons to be a gentleman and polite. it's kind of the blind leading the blind type deal.

[jerome]

(03-12-2012 11:03 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 09:17 PM)houston Wrote:  

I really feel bad for these guys that they don't have player friends or family members that will help them out.

i think the biggest disadvantage for asian dudes is the fact that they don't really have any good examples of ladies men growing up. in some places in asia they still practice arranged marriages.. so a bunch of old school asians never had to game any girls. they just had to be polite to her parents and ask for her hand in marriage. they don't realize how the dating scene is totally different from the homeland so they teach their sons to be a gentleman and polite. it's kind of the blind leading the blind type deal.

That is true most Asian dudes, have less reference points or natural mentors to learn from. But if they search for the truth, they will find it. If they want it bad enough.

Remember its 2012, not 1984, and the community exist and is evolving. Can you imagine, if you were a young man in the 1980's, you are pretty much fuck, I mean there was no information on how to meet a women.

I am grateful I am young and join the community at the right time, where it is strong, I was lucky I am apart of this men movement to defeat the feminist.

The book bang is available. There starting to be a movement of a more truthfull pua emerging like Roosh.

So these asian dudes cannot make any excuse, anymore, they can turn to the community and try to find someone, there mentor doesn't have to be asian.

[davidkm590]

No matter what, asian guys are ultimately responsible for brushing up their game and bettering themselves. I grew up in the typical, study your ass off don't socialize, practice violin/piano for 3 hrs/day environment, but I made a conscious effort to better myself as a man and to stop making excuses.

[SVK]

I'm a first generation immigrant (8 years so far) from Eastern Europe and from my experience being a foreigner definitely helps with American women, it is a clear advantage over regular American white dudes. I have an accent, not too thick, but apparent, chicks love accents and it is an automatic conversation starter.
It might be different for some other races though, not sure about that. I am a tall blonde dude and look like white American on first glance. Africans seem to do good as well from what I have observed, they have that natural swagger and are not burdened with feminism or anything like that.

[oldnemesis]

(03-09-2012 03:28 AM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

They probably stuck to their own comfort zones for the longest time. Perhaps this class would bring them up to speed with things related to becoming a playboy. I just hope that they keep on practicing whatever they learned.

This is the main reason why so few people "learn game" and even less stick with it. Because sooner or later you understand that to make a significant progress you need to change yourself significantly - your lifestyle, your surrounding, your appearance. And for the vast majority of people it is simply not worth it.

[oldnemesis]

(03-09-2012 11:20 AM)JofSuperman Wrote:  

People shouldn't be so quick to bash dating coaches.

Some people are just envious.
What wonders me, however, is that it looks like a lot of people think this is "easy money".