[oldnemesis]

(03-07-2012 05:05 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Again I have to repeat that the game in slavic countries is played by women not by men.You are the bait to chase.So all these techniques push pull,cat string,negging,rapport etc are done by women you will seem as a very strange man if you try them there they are considered the job of women.

You don't need to tell that to me, I was born and grew up in Ukraine.

[Greek kamaki]

I described the view from the point of short time traveller.If you stay there you will adapt culturally so you do not need any advice.As a short time traveller the possibilities in Poland are lover,future groom and sponsor.Same are the possibilities in Ukraine.

Sponsoring vaccations:Sponsoring vaccations works in Ukraine it does not work in Poland.No polish girl will let you fuck her if you just pay for her vaccations.So it is not a good bait.It is a very good bait though for a Czech girl.For example she has a boyfriend and you propose her common vaccations to a Greek island.The Czech girl will accept the polish not.With the polish is better to give her directly the money because polish girls know how to make better use of it.(that is they buy better quality cheaper).Russian women do not want the money in hand they want to buy presents for them and you to pay for the presents.So this is a cultural distinction.Let's see:

1.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck a Czech girl you give money for common vaccations with her

2.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck a polish girl you give her the money in doses and you fuck her everytime you meet her

3.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck a Russian girl you go to shop with her she chooses some items to buy you pay for them and then you fuck her.

4.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck an Ukrainian girl she comes to your apartment you fuck her and then you give her some money for expenses or for present.

So there is cultural difference.In all cases you pay the same amount what differs is the way it is spent.Again it is the same amount.So we come to the crucial question:Which are the cheapest girls to pay for polish,Czech,Russian or Ukrainian?Here we come again to the subject of quality for example if you want to lay very good looking girls would you better search in Ukraine,in Poland,in Russia or in Czech Republic?What if you want to lay many average girls not caring about the quality?What if you want to lay some relatively good looking girls? All the time we are talking about budget of 1000 euro.What if you have 2000 euro?What is your best target?And what if you have 500 euro?What if you have one week and what if you have 2 weeks?What are your possibilities if you have only one weekend free and 500 euro in hand?

I will try to answer all these questions in a practical matter.

[chochemonger1]

(03-09-2012 04:20 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I described the view from the point of short time traveller.If you stay there you will adapt culturally so you do not need any advice.As a short time traveller the possibilities in Poland are lover,future groom and sponsor.Same are the possibilities in Ukraine.

Sponsoring vaccations:Sponsoring vaccations works in Ukraine it does not work in Poland.No polish girl will let you fuck her if you just pay for her vaccations.So it is not a good bait.It is a very good bait though for a Czech girl.For example she has a boyfriend and you propose her common vaccations to a Greek island.The Czech girl will accept the polish not.With the polish is better to give her directly the money because polish girls know how to make better use of it.(that is they buy better quality cheaper).Russian women do not want the money in hand they want to buy presents for them and you to pay for the presents.So this is a cultural distinction.Let's see:

1.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck a Czech girl you give money for common vaccations with her

2.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck a polish girl you give her the money in doses and you fuck her everytime you meet her

3.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck a Russian girl you go to shop with her she chooses some items to buy you pay for them and then you fuck her.

4.If you have 1000 euro and want to fuck an Ukrainian girl she comes to your apartment you fuck her and then you give her some money for expenses or for present.

So there is cultural difference.In all cases you pay the same amount what differs is the way it is spent.Again it is the same amount.So we come to the crucial question:Which are the cheapest girls to pay for polish,Czech,Russian or Ukrainian?Here we come again to the subject of quality for example if you want to lay very good looking girls would you better search in Ukraine,in Poland,in Russia or in Czech Republic?What if you want to lay many average girls not caring about the quality?What if you want to lay some relatively good looking girls? All the time we are talking about budget of 1000 euro.What if you have 2000 euro?What is your best target?And what if you have 500 euro?What if you have one week and what if you have 2 weeks?What are your possibilities if you have only one weekend free and 500 euro in hand?

I will try to answer all these questions in a practical matter.

Kamaki, you make it sound like a player in eastern europe and fsu also needs to be a good business man lol. I will take your word for it and Im more down for option number 2, with polish girl who are down for doses. You can have more control that way as a man.

[solo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that last post by Greek kamaki just about p4p?

[oldnemesis]

(03-09-2012 01:49 PM)solo Wrote:  

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that last post by Greek kamaki just about p4p?

Aren't they all?

[durangotang]

(03-09-2012 09:08 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 01:49 PM)solo Wrote:  

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that last post by Greek kamaki just about p4p?

Aren't they all?

I am really starting to like this guy.

[Spike]

sigh....

[Amour Fou]

Greek Kamaki is the forum's Trickster, that's his role here!

[IVth_Element]

I thought he was a P4P troll...are you sure?

[Greek kamaki]

I have written the recipe to cut off expenses.Stay in girlfriend's house move with marsutka,have her cook for you and you will spend maximum 100 euro per week.

[Ami5]

^^

@Kamaki: I have done exactly that!

I am 20.
I have 2 flats and usually stay with my girlfriend's flat. Yeah, I travel through metro and Soviet-style ghostly trolleybus and Marshutka - and yeah my girlfriend cooks for me. Whenever I want to game, I go out and bring the girls to my second pad.
Though you're wrong about one thing.
It doesn't costs 100EUR/week - just somewhere around 50-75 EUR/week.

But it's better than following your advice and spending 1000 EUR on sponsoring one girl - why do that, when you can have ten girls in that much sum? (plus lesser hassles!)

[Greek kamaki]

One loses patience here.Do I have to repeat one million times the same things?I have already written that if sb has 1000 euro and wants to spend a weekend like a king he should head to Kiev date 5 girls fuck 3 of them enjoy the nightlife etc.Let's repeat again.If he has one weekend.One weekend is 3 days.I hope now it is understood.He does not have one week free or two months free because he works.It is the most common situation.

If one is on budget and does not want to spend money he should stay in girlfriend's house.I have spent only 70 euro by doing this.Girl cooks at home or her mother cooks,we take the marshutka to cut off expenses.You play future groom.I am bored to write the same things.

If one wants to fuck 5 girls in a week in province for example and has 1000 euro he should not stay in girlfriend's house.Again 1000 euro+1 week in province.If you stay in girlfriend's house you have a shitty time because the apartment is Soviet style you likely spend time with her parents instead of meeting other women and you cannot escape and bring other girls to your apartment.Also if you take the marshutka and you have a lot of money with you it is likely to get robbed because the marshutka is very narrow.You cannot pick up in the marshutka as in the bus either especially when you are all the time with girlfriend.So if one has 1000 euro and one week free it is not advisable to stay in girlfriend's house.

I have already written about that I do not understand the misunderstandings.

[Greek kamaki]

Perversionsolish and Ukrainian girls are open to perversions both favouring threesomes etc.However for extreme perversions polish girls are more ready.Polish can do unimaginable things.In fact I have done with polish girls everything presented in hardcore movies and when I say everything I mean everything.Some polish girls say they do not have any limits at all.So for the perv lover Poland can be a heaven.

On the other hand Czech girls favor mostly exhibionist stuff to which polish girls relatively oppose.For example Czech girls like to stay in balcony with no panties or even naked sometimes.I remember once I masturbated a Czech girl in front of everyone in the main Rhodes beach and after a while some English women stood up and took photos.It was embarrasing generally I hoped they would get horny but instead of that they blocked.

[Spike]

(03-13-2012 11:35 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

One loses patience here.Do I have to repeat one million times the same things?I have already written that if sb has 1000 euro and wants to spend a weekend like a king he should head to Kiev date 5 girls fuck 3 of them enjoy the nightlife etc.Let's repeat again.If he has one weekend.One weekend is 3 days.I hope now it is understood.He does not have one week free or two months free because he works.It is the most common situation.

If one is on budget and does not want to spend money he should stay in girlfriend's house.I have spent only 70 euro by doing this.Girl cooks at home or her mother cooks,we take the marshutka to cut off expenses.You play future groom.I am bored to write the same things.

If one wants to fuck 5 girls in a week in province for example and has 1000 euro he should not stay in girlfriend's house.Again 1000 euro+1 week in province.If you stay in girlfriend's house you have a shitty time because the apartment is Soviet style you likely spend time with her parents instead of meeting other women and you cannot escape and bring other girls to your apartment.Also if you take the marshutka and you have a lot of money with you it is likely to get robbed because the marshutka is very narrow.You cannot pick up in the marshutka as in the bus either especially when you are all the time with girlfriend.So if one has 1000 euro and one week free it is not advisable to stay in girlfriend's house.

I have already written about that I do not understand the misunderstandings.

You will keep getting "misunderstandings" because you are posting at the wrong forum. This forum is for people who do NOT want to give presents in exchange for sex. So no presents, no buying her and a whole group of friends food and drinks, no offering holidays on your expense. You cannot advice any of this on a forum for people who want to pick up girls.
If you would post on a forum for prostitution or for people who are looking for a wife and don't mind paying for sex or don't mind that the girl only likes your money than there would be no "misunderstanding"

The girls only act like they like you because you pay them for it. Without money they would not fuck you. Is that so hard to understand ?

You are at the wrong forum that is what the misunderstanding is about. Your notches do not count as conquests.

95% of your posts are based on prostitution and 5 % on staying with a girl for cheap and than say you are misunderstood. It doesn't work that way.

[Greek kamaki]

How many times do I have to repeat that it depends on your budget.What I am saying is(let's repeat):

1.If you have 1000 euro and one weekend free travel to Kiev fuck everything there be a king.

2.If you have 1000 euro and one week hit the provinces(I have told which cities are the best).Fuck 3-5 girls stay in a hotel room(hotel not apartment) near the center.For this you need prearranged contacts.If they ask for presents give them presents(you have 1000 euro to spend).If they overdo with expectations do not conform.(girls in province ask for cash or presents depending on the city except Lvov where they do not ask for anything.So do not hope to fuck 5 girls in one week in Lvov).

3.If you are on budget and have 500 euro do not go to Kiev.It is worthless.You will be dispappointed and then you will say your problem is the rich Ukrainians,the Lamborghinis on the streets and the Turks in the clubs.So you could go to province date 1-3 girls for one week with possibility to bang 1-2 of them.You should also seriously consider Poland as an alternative(where you do not need so muc money since the girls do not ask directly for presents.Again they do not ask directly for presents before you fuck them.(they may ask after but this does not interest you).

4.If you have 200 euro and you are on budget consider staying in a girl's appartment.It is not the best experience.You will be restrained worse than that you will live like an Ukrainian not a comfort at all.Are you willing to live as an Ukrainian?Is it worth for banging one girl?If you do not mind stay in girlfriend's house take the marshutka etc.

What else should I say to be understood?It depends on your budget and time.Different chances for different tastes.

[Richie]

I find this girls asking for presents thing highly amusing. I have never encountered such brazen behaviour. I'm not sure how I would react if a girl I am chatting up at the bar demanded a gift before she came back to mine to make sweet love. Where am I going to find a suitable present at 2am in the morning? Maybe instead of condoms in the Men's they have little gift vending machines for when you get caught out without any presents to secure the bang.

[Greek kamaki]

You cannot imagine the craziness of Ukrainian girls.I remember before an one night stand my first time in Kiev a girl asked me to bring her French champaign!So I had to search all over Kiev in the night for champaigne while I had arrived just three days earlier and did not know a thing about Kiev.I ended with some cheap Ukrainian champaign Odessa which she called poison.

Sometimes(many times) the craziness and mental state of Ukrainian women hits the roof they can be over the top totally surreal.

[Sourcecode]

So Kamaki?
What do you suggest I do if I go to Poland with a copy of Bang and about 10 euros?
I plan to fuck at least 30(plus or minus 5) chicks in my 3-4 days.

I'll be wearing a a v neck tshirt and my little sisters jeans.

Will I be ok?

[Deb Auchery]

(03-13-2012 06:30 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You cannot imagine the craziness of Ukrainian girls.I remember before an one night stand my first time in Kiev a girl asked me to bring her French champaign!So I had to search all over Kiev in the night for champaigne while I had arrived just three days earlier and did not know a thing about Kiev.I ended with some cheap Ukrainian champaign Odessa which she called poison.

Sometimes(many times) the craziness and mental state of Ukrainian women hits the roof they can be over the top totally surreal.

Says more about you for looking all over the city for it in the first place.

[Sourcecode]

Yea..I would never go off to find wine for a chick i had just met.

She can walk her ass down to Aldi with me, and we can get one of the 3Euro bottles though

[Vacancier Permanent]

GK,
Don't worry my friend. When you reach a certain level when you value your time more than money (which truly is if you really think about it as money is technically available in an infinite quantity while time is not), when you have more money than time, then these guys would understand your perspective. Until they reach that level, don't worry about them. Do your thing, let them do their thing. To each their own. Some people have more money than time, while others have more time than money and each has to adapt their game plan accordingly.

[IVth_Element]

VP, I have a lot of respect for your posts, but let's be honest here. You believe that GK is so busy that he can't spend a few extra hours to secure a non-gift bang to save 1000 Euros, but he can write 348 posts in 30 days? That doesn't add up.

He is advocating straight supplication towards complete strangers on a forum where many guys are learning how to interact with women. Is that the road to self-respect and high status, to basically walk up to someone with your palms up?

While no one should depend on another for self worth, many here find it misplaced to discuss buying pussy as a straight commodity on a game forum. I don't think that anyone here is saying that it's wrong to pay for pussy; only that it's not a topic of discussion that is appropriate here. We don't need to calculate that it takes 2.4 skirts or 1.6 doll figurines to bang a Ukrainian girl anymore that we need the price list for the hooker on the corner in Moscow. It doesn't apply to us, and that's why many here have a problem with his posts. Instead of toning it down and providing real insight that he is capable of, he breaks out a price list on buying the most pussy in the least amount of time. You may say, "live and let live", but this is not a p4p forum. If he wasn't churning out posts every day talking about gifts and money, then people would mostly let it go.

Personally, I think his advice does a disservice to us all, as I know many girls in Russia/Ukraine and they are intelligent, cunning whores. I'm sure GK agrees. Many Russians girls already talk shit about how they game the dumb American and Canadian guys out of money and gifts. They think we are schmucks, and they are right. GK only sees the small picture, which is his immediate gratification and the dollar cost from his wallet. Instead of dealing with regular hookers, he is ego inflating the regular whores with gifts, money, vacations, etc and passing it on as advice. Should we just turn every country into a pussy pedestalizing nation where you have to grovel and beg for a piece of ass while you hold out a fur coat?

[Ami5]

(03-13-2012 06:54 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 06:30 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You cannot imagine the craziness of Ukrainian girls.I remember before an one night stand my first time in Kiev a girl asked me to bring her French champaign!So I had to search all over Kiev in the night for champaigne while I had arrived just three days earlier and did not know a thing about Kiev.I ended with some cheap Ukrainian champaign Odessa which she called poison.

Sometimes(many times) the craziness and mental state of Ukrainian women hits the roof they can be over the top totally surreal.

Says more about you for looking all over the city for it in the first place.

@GK: I do not speak Russian, and don't mention that I grew up in Ukraine.
And I don't drink.
But if someone would have asked me for a French Champagne, the first place I would have gone to would be some superstore like "Target" or "Varus".

[Greek kamaki]

This was back in 2003.At that time you could not find bottled water in Ukraine let alone French champaign.

[Greek kamaki]

(03-13-2012 06:31 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

So Kamaki?
What do you suggest I do if I go to Poland with a copy of Bang and about 10 euros?
I plan to fuck at least 30(plus or minus 5) chicks in my 3-4 days.

I'll be wearing a a v neck tshirt and my little sisters jeans.

Will I be ok?

In Poland you do not need much money.Even if you stay in a communist era hotel with 25 euro per day it is enough.It is not enough for girls in Kiev.A top class girl in Kiev will refuse to sleep with you if you take her to a shitty hotel of communist times(which in Kiev cost about 60-80 euro per day).That is why it is better to rent an apartment in Kiev which is much better in quality(although the building exterior and other apartments are still like shit) and costs the same as the communist era hotel room(60-80 euro for medium quality apartment in the centre).It is important to stay in the centre to avoid getting ripped off by taxis,arrange easy logistics when you meet the girls and have a place close to sleep or change clothes when you get tired of pick up and dates.

As for clothes yes in Kiev you need to be overdressed.(I do not wear suits but it does not hurt either).You have to display wealth.Mercedes and Lamborghinis ar enext to you if you cannot afford some good clothes,quality shoers and an expensive watch you are immediately downgraded in girls eyes.

All foreigners wish to find the easy,gullible girl who will sleep with them for free(due to love or love for the western penis).However these girls are almost impossible to find in Kiev especially if you have only 3-4 days to spend.If they are easy and gullible and do not want to exploit their pussy they usually have an Ukrainian boyfriend who covers their needs.The rest are actively searching for sponsors long term or short term.Since the amount of rich Ukrainian sponsors is not enough(much lower than the demand for them although they all have big harems) the foreigner can play ball appearing as a short term sponsor(even short term) generally covering some of girls expenses.

You may argue this is p4p but it is not.Not every foreigner gets accepted by girls as a sponsor.You have to diplay personality and appearance qualities as well,be non judgemental have a general knowledge of the culture and most importantly give the impression that you have an unlimited amount of pussy in discretion so you do not bother a lot if the girl stays with you or not.