[ManAbout]

Sorry VP but you are doing this all wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay money to Mail Order Bride agency or to communicate through any of them.

The only two sites you need are Mamba.ru and VK.com, both of which are absolutely free. The first one is a dating site and the second one is the Russian version of facebook. But, the difference is that on VK.com you can actually search for girls by age, city, and their relationship status.

I banged a Ukrainian girl in Goa that I pipelined through Mamba.ru. Absolutely no need to pay any agency or send these girls any money in advance. If they ask you for anything upfront, 100 percent they are fake, i.e. some fat Boris sitting in the agency pretending to be Svetlana or the girl herself is a scammer.

[MiXX]

Scammer Wrote:

Mom told me that I can ask you about help if you are my beloved

But, I'm not your beloved, I just wanted to choke you, and slap you during sex so you can see what a real man is like. Tell your mom that and she'll tell you to pay for my ticket ASAP.

Mixx

[Entropy4]

I don't know why people make such extreme statements on this board some time. I think it may be useful to just step back for a second and make some general statements, rather than getting so caught up in a bunch of less-significant details.

- VP's experience on the site is obviously a scam. But you run into scams like this all over the world including SE Asia, L. America, etc. I don't think his experience should color one's perception of Ukraine at all. I spent six weeks between Ukraine and Russia last year and did not run into a single pro or woman who asked me for money.
- Ukraine has possibly the hottest women in the world, but they're hard to pick up if you're just breezing through for a week or two based on game alone. I think that's fairly established at this point.
- The women in Poland are easier and friendlier, but not quite as hot (but still very hot). I think that's been established as well.

Obviously, if you only have time for a 1-2 week trip, Poland is probably the better bang for your buck (pun intended). Mixx probably made the right call by changing his trip to Poland considering his needs and situation. But that doesn't mean Ukraine sucks or is a bad place to go. If you're able to stay longer and invest some time Ukraine can be a goldmine (as people like Harry and Deb have shown).

[thegmanifesto]

I have never been to Ukraine.

But I have looked on a map and it seems to be a pretty big place.

When you guys are saying "Ukraine" on here, are you guys generalizing the whole place?

Or certain cities?

Are some places better than others? Has to be, right?

[Greek kamaki]

(02-15-2012 12:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I have never been to Ukraine.

But I have looked on a map and it seems to be a pretty big place.

When you guys are saying "Ukraine" on here, are you guys generalizing the whole place?

Or certain cities?

Are some places better than others? Has to be, right?

Sometimes I cannot avoid remembering the times when we had to search about the mythical El Dorado of pussy travelling all over Eastern Europe without any real information to rely on.In this regard younger generation is much benefited by internet and has access to way more information.On the other hand in these glorious times you really hit virgin places untouched by the unholy West and the experience was magical.

Anyway as far as Ukraine is concerned there are some cities which are better than others.And there are some cities which completely suck.Having these in mind I will give you some geneal rules:

1.Focus only on cities with population over than half a million.Anything less than that means huge obstacles to pick up.The city has to have a capacity if you know what I mean.Even better more than one million.

2.Choose university towns where hundreds of thousands of students reside.The biggest university cities in Ukraine are Kharkov,Kiev,Dnepropetrovsk and Lvov

3.Avoid resorts.All holiday resorts in Ukraine are unfit for our sports for a magnitude of reasons mainly that easy and hot girls who travel there travel with boyfriends and the rest is with parents.Anyway I may explain this later.So avoid Crimea,Odessa in the summer.

4.Avoid all places where Ottoman Turks have been in the past.This sounds strange but it is true.Every place Ottoman Turks have been in Europe has changed to the worst regarding girls since Turks brought their conservative morals.Draw a line in the borders of turkish occupation and focus out of this line.

There are two formations of special importance.One is the former Austrohungary.Every region belonging to the former Austrohungary is exceptionally good regarding girls.(these Austrians worked miracles).Regions belonging to former Austrohungary in Ukraine were Lvov,Ternopil,Lutsk,Rovno,Uzghorod and Cernovtsi.

The other formation is the golden triangle.Take Minsk,Kiev and Kishinev and draw a triangle.Everything in between is called the golden triangle of pussy you will find treasures there.

5.Avoid Donbass region(Dnepropetrovsk,Donetsk,Zaporoziye) if you are not interested in spending amounts of money.

6.Avoid Odessa.The place is rather spoiled it is the worst city maybe in Ukraine with way the biggest gold diggers and cock teasers maybe in all former SU.

So the cities which remain after we did our exclusions are Lvov,Kiev,Kharkov,Lugansk,Mariupol.

Guys really you are not going to find anything better than that.Do not think for a moment to hit Ternopil for example because it has the lowest income in Ukraine or Odessa because it is a resort or Crimea because hot girls arrive there in the summer.Do not consider visiting Dnepropetrovsk because it was closed to foreigners during Soviet Union or Donetsk because it is industrial city and girls in industrial cities respond better.You will find a desert in Ternopil where most chicks have emigrated from due to terrible economic conditions,you will find spoiled women in Odessa and gold diggers in Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk.

[Roosh]

(02-15-2012 09:02 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

The difference is that on VK.com you can actually search for girls by age, city, and their relationship status.

Which site have you had more success with? It seems like on VK you'd basically have to spam girls until getting a bite.

[Deb Auchery]

This has been asked many times

Mamba and Vkontakte are the major sites, forget everything else.

[DrainTree]

(02-15-2012 02:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 09:02 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

The difference is that on VK.com you can actually search for girls by age, city, and their relationship status.

Which site have you had more success with? It seems like on VK you'd basically have to spam girls until getting a bite.

Yeah, I'm wondering about this myself.
Mamba yields good results and I'd wear that out first before trying VK...although a friend of mine swears by VK and facebook. He found his super cute GF this way.

Anyone have strategies for getting dates using VK/facebook? How do you open the convo?

[Deb Auchery]

Yeah Facebook too.

Well I usually just say the same thing like "Hey, do you speak English?", sometimes I might get creative and say some other shit

[GunznButta]

@VP

now that the war betw. mixx and the other thread posters are over, maybe we'll have some room for some straight normal dope.

me: i'm asian, 42, 6', 230lbs. i'd judge myself a 6/10 and, yes, i've done ukraine. 5 wks in may 2008 or so. knock off 3 years and 40 lbs and that was me back then. i went there more as a backpacker (w/bigger budget) to check out sights -- not so much as a gamer or sex tourist but i of course leave myself open to the possibilities...went there almost at the last min. with no prep. (didn't bring russian-english dictionary, no cyrillic, regular phone, couldn't even count to 10, etc..)

basically i went there raw as can be. what can i say? i like a challenge!

tho my memories are pretty vivid, i'm not gonna do a datasheet because my intel is obviously dated. that said, there's some things that will never change and if i go back in know what i'd do different.

pipelining via internet: don't care which website you use but just be prepped for low yields (<10%). sites come and go and i guess mamba.ru is just as decent as any for now. like the other guys said DONT SEND MONEY

cities visited: i did the triangle of kiev-odessa-donetsk with splitoffs to kherson, mariupol and lugansk.

my travel philosophy in general: i'm anticonventional; tell me a place sucks and it's automatically on my "do" list. i'm totally nietzsche in that what doesn't kill me will strengthen me. i don't have endless bank to go with but unlike some tightwads around here i'm ok with acceptable losses -- all part of the learning experience. neither do i care about the big city/small city thing; if you run into a girl giving you the wink and she's dtf then the game begins! BOOM!

my impressions: kiev is one of the world's great cities. yes it's fricking overpriced (my standard for defining hotel room price/quality is vegas; what's a $100 nondiscount room in vegas goes for $200-300 in kiev back then -- it's likely this gauge has since shifted.) that said, you're options turn quick to stalinist era hotels and apartments (i'm sure those are still around...and at inflated prices too....) if you're willing to be tourist there's stuff to see and do there (like the monastery.) ex: the subway stations closer to the city center are architecturally ornate and gorgeous.

i don't get the beef about food in ukraine sucking. the country has its own millionaires and billionaires who have traveled widely (like the klitschko brothers) but choose to make ukraine home. plain economics say that they will demand improved dining and entertainment options locally. there's places in the city that are 1st world class -- just be prepared to pay through the nose for it -- just as there are food dumps (yes they have mickey d's and even an upscale tgifridays.) fwiw, one of the finest meals i had in ukraine was in lugansk -- a georgian restaurant. a little pricey but go figure. for regular meals the offerings are, i would agree, grim.

those that want to complain about food should do india -- curry flavors, chicken and lamb, near vegetarian everywhere and NO BEEF until the day you leave. now that deserves the bad wtf.

if you do try ukrainian restaurants be sure to try the mushroom soup. ukrainians do mushroom soup like nobody's business! also do strawberries. they may look runty and underdeveloped but they're just about the best i've ever tasted (i think it's cos they're nearly organic vs. the pesticide and growth hormone loaded oversized crap here at the local safeway...)

so enough about food. the girls?

i'd agree with greek & hooligan re: general approach strategy. ONS won't be common unless you're in a big/university city (i think kiev and kharkiv would be best cos they have subway systems -- that way you can cold approach as clueless tourist) and flash the bennies in attitude. the mail order bride thing is established enough in the country so i think one strategy you can try is the "heartbroken/jilted mail order guy from...with days left in his stay" line.

where i'd differ from greek is i see no reason to avoid odessa (yes the young hotties generate a lot of noise but there's enough supply of 22+ girls getting desperate) or cities that suck (if a city sucks then chances get good you'll be the only man of your country there -- nothing wrong with that!)

most folks here seem to be of the pussy quantity mold and prefer "one and done." as for me, i'm be more of the "multiday lay" mode (i'd rather score a hot 7-9 for a week and wear her out.) maybe it's my age getting to me but i'm not interested in 16-18's with a propensity to flake (not that i'll EVER refuse them); getting good yield for my efforts matter more to me...

as for logistics: i'm sure you can now check out airbnb and couchsurfing to prep for whatever city you plan to land in. i'm sure there's more ukrainian sites that offer this stuff now compared to 2008. with euro 2012 in town i'm sure the city's now more tourist friendly....

the last tip i can offer (which i think is still good) is 1st night logistics. here goes:

assuming you land at kiev boryspil and don't know anyone, your best bet is to bite the bullet and get $usd50 equivalent from the airport atm and break it into smaller change. then head out the terminal door and look for the large coaches that have "voksal" on them. those coaches will take you to the train station -- thereby cashing in your 1st money saving op: dodging the airport surcharge on taxis.

once you get to the train station you'll be unloaded on the "new" side. haul your stuff in and over the skybridge to the "old" side. this is the central part of the train station. go out the main entrance and directly at your feet ahead will be babushkas offering "kommunata" or "kvartira" (spelling?) if you haven't gotten living arrangements yet this is the place to start haggling.

to your left and you'll see a roundish building with lots of people entering and leaving -- that's the entrance to the subway station. the system uses tokens. if you have large coins the babushka in the window will make change for you.

if you HAVE to do a hotel in kiev i'd pick "hotel tourist." it's modern and clean enough but more importantly has bang for buck. more importantly it's near a subway station (livorberezhnya i think) and in the lobby there's a tourist desk (if you need train, bus or minibus (marshrutka) they should be able to help.) it's also across the street from a mickey d's and 1 stop from hydropark (assuming there's still something remaining to the day this should be a good spot to begin your pickups. )

i don't know if hotel tourist is "girl friendly."

i could get more granular than that but that info would have a risk of being dated. pm me if you want other more.

GB

[Greek kamaki]

Sorry Guznbutta I never said that you should avoid cities that suck.I have presented the exact criteria for choosing a city and which cities fulfill them.For example Mariupol sucks but I recommend it.Ternopil sucks as well but I do not recommend it.The reason is that Ternopil has less than half a million population which is one of the exclusion criteria(in reality it does not even have the 250000 on paper because many of them have immigrated and are still registered there).

Sometimes I may become overanalytical and may seem tiring but it is the view from inside Europe the more detailed like you see the forest from America I describe you the trees.Sometimes it is better to see the whole forest sometimes it is better to focus on the trees depending on the situation.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Just a clarification here: the website I joined is NOT a mail order bride site. It's a legit dating site focusing mainly in Asia but with a section on Ukraine. I gave the Ukrainian side a try by contacting the girls as they looked uber hot. At first, being naive, I thought they were legit, then after 2-3 emails exchanged with them, I understood what the scoop was as they started asking money to translate the emails. Needless to say, I've stopped all correspondence with all they U girls from that site. I'm still using that site for getting quality leads for Asia. Got a very hot Vietnamese girl to email me so will follow up on that along with a few hot and educated pinays.

Gunznbutta, outstanding insight and data! Much appreciated!

After this little experiment and the valuable feedback and insight from the Ukraine and Russia pros in here, I have a better idea of how things work with these girls and now know how to proceed and where to look for pipeling before my trip there later this year.

Thanks again guys!

[ManAbout]

(02-15-2012 02:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 09:02 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

The difference is that on VK.com you can actually search for girls by age, city, and their relationship status.

Which site have you had more success with? It seems like on VK you'd basically have to spam girls until getting a bite.

Both are good. I think Mamba is good if you are already in the city or planning to be in the city in the next couple of weeks.

With Vk.com, you can befriend them and subsequently the flake factor will be less when you get to the city. There is an "Actively Searching" status. This is the one I get the best response from, but this is also the one where you will find the most fake profiles. If the picture is too good to be true, it is. The other status is "Single". Stick to these two and ask them if they speak English or something and you should get a decent response rate on VK.

[DrainTree]

(02-15-2012 11:02 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 02:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 09:02 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

The difference is that on VK.com you can actually search for girls by age, city, and their relationship status.

Which site have you had more success with? It seems like on VK you'd basically have to spam girls until getting a bite.

Both are good. I think Mamba is good if you are already in the city or planning to be in the city in the next couple of weeks.

With Vk.com, you can befriend them and subsequently the flake factor will be less when you get to the city. There is an "Actively Searching" status. This is the one I get the best response from, but this is also the one where you will find the most fake profiles. If the picture is too good to be true, it is. The other status is "Single". Stick to these two and ask them if they speak English or something and you should get a decent response rate on VK.

This stuff is good to know. So VK is just like mamba..spam greetings and hope then take it from there. (I speak Russian so I don't ask the English ques.)

[Pilgrim37]

Anyone used this for piping in Ukraine or Russia...any results?

[removed]

[ManAbout]

(02-17-2012 10:31 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

Anyone used this for piping in Ukraine or Russia...any results?

[removed]

No, it's a waste of money. You don't need to use a mail order bride site.

p.s. That's an affiliate link

[thegmanifesto]

(02-14-2012 11:26 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

You think you are going to salsa your way in, pull some Johnny Depp shit and fuck your way into the hearts and minds of the locals? You are dreaming. The Italians have been trying it for 20 years already and the Turks are trying to convince the chicks they come from Brazil or Argentina.

That has to be one of the funniest lines I have ever read on the forum.

[gework]

Dredging this thread up from the depths, rather than starting a new one.

I'm going to a few countries this year and have pipelined a girl in Kenya and one in Hong Kong with ease. I'm finding in any of these non-white countries, girls are jumping through the hoop to reply to me and I have near 100% response rate. But I am starting my travels in Serbia and then maybe Ukraine. I have been using a site/app called TopFace (barely used in Serbia) but it seems to be very popular in Ukraine, Russia etc. I am getting lots of good matches: 7s, 8s and a few 9s. I send messages out and get very few replies. If they do they will typically reply once or twice and then disappear. I only had one good bite from Belarus, but they disappeared.

Can anyone confirm this TopFace app/site is not good? Seems that they may ask for money just to accept messages in some case.

Will take the advice on this thread and try Mamba.

[Gopnik]

(06-02-2017 08:21 AM)gework Wrote:  

Dredging this thread up from the depths, rather than starting a new one.

I'm going to a few countries this year and have pipelined a girl in Kenya and one in Hong Kong with ease. I'm finding in any of these non-white countries, girls are jumping through the hoop to reply to me and I have near 100% response rate. But I am starting my travels in Serbia and then maybe Ukraine. I have been using a site/app called TopFace (barely used in Serbia) but it seems to be very popular in Ukraine, Russia etc. I am getting lots of good matches: 7s, 8s and a few 9s. I send messages out and get very few replies. If they do they will typically reply once or twice and then disappear. I only had one good bite from Belarus, but they disappeared.

Can anyone confirm this TopFace app/site is not good? Seems that they may ask for money just to accept messages in some case.

Will take the advice on this thread and try Mamba.

I've been in Russia for the past months and I've never heard of TopFace, better try VK.

How to pipeline with VK:

1) Find a VK group with many people - at least a few thousand (e.g a group where people look for accommodation, renting a flat in Moscow or wherever)

2) Leave a comment saying you will be in the city for some time and are looking for a place to rent (in some groups you need to pay a few rubles through paypal to leave a public message on their comment board)

3) If the group is big enough and your profile pictures are good, you should start getting many girls liking them and the occasional friend request

4) Open these girls like you would on Tinder or IG

This actually happened to me by accident. I recently left a message on one of these groups cause I wanted to find a better flat. I got about a dozen girls liking my pictures, a few of them were attractive and I managed to meet and bang 2 of them.

I'll expand a bit more on this when I write a full datasheet of my city, but it's pretty straight forward really. It's all about visibility and having hundreds of girls seeing your profile.

[brat]

(06-02-2017 03:45 PM)Gopnik Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 08:21 AM)gework Wrote:  

Dredging this thread up from the depths, rather than starting a new one.

I'm going to a few countries this year and have pipelined a girl in Kenya and one in Hong Kong with ease. I'm finding in any of these non-white countries, girls are jumping through the hoop to reply to me and I have near 100% response rate. But I am starting my travels in Serbia and then maybe Ukraine. I have been using a site/app called TopFace (barely used in Serbia) but it seems to be very popular in Ukraine, Russia etc. I am getting lots of good matches: 7s, 8s and a few 9s. I send messages out and get very few replies. If they do they will typically reply once or twice and then disappear. I only had one good bite from Belarus, but they disappeared.

Can anyone confirm this TopFace app/site is not good? Seems that they may ask for money just to accept messages in some case.

Will take the advice on this thread and try Mamba.

I've been in Russia for the past months and I've never heard of TopFace, better try VK.

How to pipeline with VK:

1) Find a VK group with many people - at least a few thousand (e.g a group where people look for accommodation, renting a flat in Moscow or wherever)

2) Leave a comment saying you will be in the city for some time and are looking for a place to rent (in some groups you need to pay a few rubles through paypal to leave a public message on their comment board)

3) If the group is big enough and your profile pictures are good, you should start getting many girls liking them and the occasional friend request

4) Open these girls like you would on Tinder or IG

This actually happened to me by accident. I recently left a message on one of these groups cause I wanted to find a better flat. I got about a dozen girls liking my pictures, a few of them were attractive and I managed to meet and bang 2 of them.

I'll expand a bit more on this when I write a full datasheet of my city, but it's pretty straight forward really. It's all about visibility and having hundreds of girls seeing your profile.

VK and all Russian social media platforms are banned in Ukraine.

[gework]

Spoke to a guy I know who lives in Ukraine, from Europe, but speaks [near] fluent Russian.

He largely concurs with Gopnik, VK is a good bet, but he didn't know of his specific method. His game was just messaging random women and waiting for which ones stick.

He also mentioned the site: https://www.mamba.ru/en/ , which is mentioned in this thread as a good place for casual meets.

If you are looking for more LTR/marriage there are lots of sites like loveme.com and various others overflowing with model photos. These are largely fake profile used to scam money for messages.

This one has a lot of legit profiles on it:

http://www.fiance.com/agency.asp?main=se...ef=yes&q=q

And it has names, so you can look them up on VK to check they are real and message them there.

---

TopFace seems popular, but as mentioned getting little traction with Slavs. There are however a lot of Pinoys and South Americans on there who are easy to get talking to.

[Australia Sucks]

I have used this website before http://russian-dating.com/ to chat with girls from other countries. Do not let the name mislead you, the site also has a lot of women from Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan on there (and a few here and there from other countries), and its 100% free to use with no premium membership. There are not huge numbers of people on the site but I found very few scammer/gold-diggers/fake profiles. Over 90% were normal women (at least as far as I could tell from conversations that I had with them on the site and on Whatsapp, etc). The response rate I got from women was not very good (maybe less than 5%), but when you do bulk message women you get enough replies for the site to be useful.

[wonderer1]

Currently using Mamba, go to Kiev in 3 weeks, this girls really dont reply back with much do they, dont try and continue the conversation.

[Themin]

(06-06-2017 11:15 AM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

Currently using Mamba, go to Kiev in 3 weeks, this girls really dont reply back with much do they, dont try and continue the conversation.

had a lot of luck with Mamba, but you are right, finding one that entertains your conversation (in english) isn't too easy.
That said, I don't speak russian so english was essential for the girl anyway, I would not meet a girl i can't communicate with.
A lot of them are basically swamped with messages though, so try to be short and to the point, say you want to meet up and you'll be in kiev soon for business, exchange viber contacts, and then try to further the knowledge through there. If she's genuinely interested, she will chat to you. Also another thing, those that don't reply unless you already are in country, are normally pros or semi pros.

[wonderer1]

(06-07-2017 09:36 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 11:15 AM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

Currently using Mamba, go to Kiev in 3 weeks, this girls really dont reply back with much do they, dont try and continue the conversation.

had a lot of luck with Mamba, but you are right, finding one that entertains your conversation (in english) isn't too easy.
That said, I don't speak russian so english was essential for the girl anyway, I would not meet a girl i can't communicate with.
A lot of them are basically swamped with messages though, so try to be short and to the point, say you want to meet up and you'll be in kiev soon for business, exchange viber contacts, and then try to further the knowledge through there. If she's genuinely interested, she will chat to you. Also another thing, those that don't reply unless you already are in country, are normally pros or semi pros.

Should I ask for meeting up when its still 3 weeks until im there? Or build comfort until a week before then say im going to be there. I will go for contact details now