[chochemonger1]

(03-12-2016 03:23 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 03:20 PM)262 Wrote:  

11 year spread in my current LTR in Gdansk. I'm in my early 30s, she's younger (duh).

Supposedly stretching it, but at least my example shows it's possible here.

I found that 10-12 years was about the maximum in Poland. When you are in your 40s, that just doesn't cut it. I have actually had more success dating younger girls in the US than Poland.

Yes, Poland is rough for men over 34. Warsaw even worse. The only way you can do well is if you are a day game beast. I guess that is why Roosh still lives over there. Over 40 forget about it. Go for Ukraine instead.
Even here in Colombia, the age differences are shrinking. That is the trend all over the world now. The last few years the best places for high age differences I have seen, have been 3rd tier Brazil and the Phils
Just got Tinder Plus and checked out Jakarta. I am getting a lot less responses from 18 to 21s,than I did a year and a half ago.
For men 27 to 34 do your traveling now and take advantage of your prime years....as the world aint what it used to be

[Merenguero]

(03-12-2016 04:28 PM)Akula Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 10:09 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

The only women who have ever told me that I look my age are women over 35. I actually find 35-45 year old women really sexy but am getting to the point where I don't waste my time with them in the U.S. Even when they are nice in other settings when it comes to dating/ romance, they tend to be spoiled, unhappy, uptight, icy, overly picky and judgmental all rolled into one. Case in point, I ran into a 45 year old I dated a few times and told her about my round the world trip which included time in SE Asia. Her comment... "You aren't a sex tourist are you?".

You forgot to mention that they are often heavily medicated as well - statistically something like 30%+ are on some kind of antidepressant. And probably 50% or so are under some kind of therapy/psychoanalysis so it's a pretty screwed up universe of women who on average have serious mental and emotional issues.

Is this depression thing now some widespread problem in the United States? The reason why I ask is because a couple of weeks ago I had to go to the doctor to have a potentially serious medical condition checked out. It wasn't STD related and it turns out that everything is fine, but I was really nervous about it. Before I went in to see the doctor, a nurse was asking me some standard questions. At one point she said, "These next two questions make me uncomfortable and I would prefer for you to read them on the screen and tell me your answer." I was thinking that they were about sex, STDs, or about being accused by female Colombian AirBandB hosts of sending them pictures of my bollocks or something. It turned out that they were about depression and thoughts of suicide. I said no and just starting laughing. At that point, the lady who felt uncomfortable asking the questions looked like she wanted to kill herself. All I can say is get as much sleep as possible, make as much money as possible, get some serious work done in the gym every day, if you live in a shithole like the D.C. area, leave as often as you can and try to bang quality girls every time you leave. If you do all those things, is there any reason to be depressed ever?

[Kamaki4]

Thailand is still very good for age gaps with quality girls. I am mid 30's, live in Chiang Mai and will purposely leave a beard and change my appearance to look older and still attract 18-24 range. Here it depends on the girl, some prefer a 5 or 7 yr gap, others a 10 yr gap and still others even more. Either way the big takeaway here is age isn't a deal breaker. Thais are very vain, and if you are good looking (if average, work on style and fitness) that will trump any other factor including age.

[Akula]

Ukraine still seems very doable RE large age gaps. You need to keep in mind that the target universe starts going down substantially after say 45, but in countries with a lot of attractive & healthy women there are still enough options to make it work and work well.

My current main squeeze and I have a 25 year age difference. I seem to still get attention from certain women in the 24-30 age range when I'm out, even though I'm graying now and by no means look like I'm in my late 20s or 30s. I do try to keep in shape and probably look a little younger than I am (which is mid 40s) though, so that helps I guess.

It also seems that once the girls here get past say 25 they really start listening to biology and the "clock ticking" thing. Partly because they aren't fed all the feminist YOLO propaganda like back home and aren't assaulted with Big Pharma "anti-depressant" medication ads or by the doctors that prescribe that stuff (and thus aren't drugged-up trainwrecks). But also because it's still a family-oriented place and parents push their children to have kids and settle down for the most part. And as the start to see all their friends getting married they just want to get a taste of it and "live the (female) dream."

The 30+ cohort of women is where it gets really tricky and I'm basically like "why bother." I do think you could date women in the 30-35 age bracket well into your 60s if you kept in shape which is a nice option to have later on.

Also, there are a ton of women here who got married early on and had a kid at say 20-24, then got divorced and now are in the 25-30 age bracket but still look great. I personally know of 4-5 girls like that who I am not pursuing because they have kids but could if I wanted. I think that market is very wide open with regard to high age gaps if you choose to go down that route (and it's still going to be an opportunity 5-10 years from now).

[Cheetah]

(03-13-2016 01:26 AM)Kamaki4 Wrote:  

Thailand is still very good for age gaps with quality girls. I am mid 30's, live in Chiang Mai and will purposely leave a beard and change my appearance to look older and still attract 18-24 range. Here it depends on the girl, some prefer a 5 or 7 yr gap, others a 10 yr gap and still others even more. Either way the big takeaway here is age isn't a deal breaker. Thais are very vain, and if you are good looking (if average, work on style and fitness) that will trump any other factor including age.

How do Thai girls perceive a beard (apart from that you look older)?

I've heard that Asian girls don't like beards, or maybe your experience contradicts this?

[Bazzwaldo]

From my recent experience in the Phils, they seem to prefer clean shaven faces. I have a shaped white goatee and they all asked if would shave it off for them. Fuck that I thought as I was still getting attention from 7's in their 20's and my game is basic
Age spread in the Phils is like the physical size difference between western Men and Asian Women, huge, the taller/solid you are to average male, the younger/slimmer/hotter the girls accompanying them seem to be
All of these men dressed well and kept in shape and the 20 year plus age gap seemed normal with men well into their 40's
I'm heading back for a longer stay, i'm not after notches, i'm after quality, something long gone in my country

[Travesty]

(03-12-2016 11:39 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

The reason why I ask is because a couple of weeks ago I had to go to the doctor to have a potentially serious medical condition checked out. It wasn't STD related...

The first thing a guy on RVF would be going to the doc for.

[Travesty]

(03-17-2016 04:13 PM)Bazzwaldo Wrote:  

From my recent experience in the Phils, they seem to prefer clean shaven faces. I have a shaped white goatee and they all asked if would shave it off for them. Fuck that I thought as I was still getting attention from 7's in their 20's and my game is basic
Age spread in the Phils is like the physical size difference between western Men and Asian Women, huge, the taller/solid you are to average male, the younger/slimmer/hotter the girls accompanying them seem to be
All of these men dressed well and kept in shape and the 20 year plus age gap seemed normal with men well into their 40's
I'm heading back for a longer stay, i'm not after notches, i'm after quality, something long gone in my country

Please report back with how the quality hunt goes in the Phils. This is the biggest Asian argument I have seen between members. Are there enough 7s to go around or not. 50% say no way in hell barely any 7s, others say plenty of 7s.

I always tend to trust opinions guys with higher subjective standards on the 10 scale.

[Travesty]

On my own account as of late I day game and I probably look mid 20s on a good day, on a bearded or bad day I look my age. I have the soul of an 8 year old kid inside that wants to drive girls crazy so I think that helps I am very comfortable treating them as the bratty little sister even if I am 10 years older. Still get numbers and dates from 18-20 yo's in Santa Barbara, SoCal. I do feel if I told my real age things would be much more difficult. I get asked my age upfront early on date 1 by a lot of girls in a very shit testy way about half the time when they are under 21 especially. 21 really opens up the gates once girls hit bars and get used to being hit on by older guys all the time.

Colombia I banged an 18 and a just turned 21 year old. With more time I had a 22 yo down and easily could see more. I am 30.

GDL, Mex I got eyefucked by girls in their early-mid 20s. Ended up banging a 29yo though, had a date with a 19yo was a SIF done out of desperation at the shot clock on my trip running out.

I have been pipelining like a motherfucker for Monterrey, MX on Tinder Passport. I have plenty of interest and matches from 19-21yo. I put I am 25 which is stretching it for me, but I haven't gotten called out in a long time.

[Dantes]

Travesty how do you handle or plan to handle the time when you come clean about your true age with a potential LTR? I am in a similar boat in that I am more long term minded and I shave a few years off my age. I have not been called out on it yet.

[Travesty]

Dantes,

From the wife thread my master plan is to move soon to a place either domestic or abroad where I think I have the best shot and focus on social circle where my age will be known. Because I am only 30 (and the reason why I am starting this young) is that an 8 year age difference for a 22 year old really isn't a big deal in my experience. I think even in the U.S. even a 10 year gap between say a 32 and 22 year old isn't a big deal as long as the guy is well put together and successful.

If I was 40 or 45 I would be more anxious on how to handle this, though I have heard enough stories on here of girls simply laughing off the age lie when they finally find out because they are into the guy anyways and probably even suspected he is older than he says. If I was that old as well looking for LTR I would go to a country where a 15-20 year age gap for marriage is easily accepted anyways. Doing that in the U.S. and landing quality would be tough unless you are fairly wealthy - which I am sure I and most guys here are striving to achieve.

[rudebwoy]

The main thing is if you look young and are in good shape. Of course having a few dollars in your back pocket doesn't hurt.

At age 30 you have a good few years to find that special someone, I wish I got serious at that age.

[Travesty]

(03-17-2016 07:05 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I wish I got serious at that age.

Yes from reading from enough others I know that men can do well to a very long age.

Yet I can tell the drop off for attracting young quality women most guys unless their money is in the millions is early-mid 40s, definitely by 50, unless you want to live a place like UA or Colombia long term.

I think the optimal thing if you want a wife and kids and a legacy is find a girl 8-12 younger (some guys can handle 15-20+ I think that is tough if you want a young wife at the start from a mental standpoint) so that means you find her when she is somewhere 18-23 when you are somewhere in the age range of 30-35.

I believe this is the sweetest spot so I am starting now. I know I need time to transition from cold approach player type to social capital building hometown patriarch type.

[Dantes]

Travesty,

You are in a solid position based on your age and what I know about you from your posts.

I have a similar mindset although I am 40.

Looking back, I was at my peak 33-36. I am still able to pull young attractive girls, but I know I am approaching a ceiling on this.

I don't like closing doors on anything, but I would probably never consider marrying an American woman.

Brodiga had a well written post on deciding between living in comfort in the west and living for your sex/dating life in a third world country. This is something that many of us here need to consider as we age into our 40s and 50s. I have been searching for positions abroad for a few years, but have yet to find something solid in a country that I want to live in long-term.

[Travesty]

I am going to Monterrey next week, my second Mexican city. 3 hour flight, lots of girls pipelined. Probably the best Tinder matching for me of any city I have ever tried in the world except for Bogota.

Scouting trip only a few days so not planning on meeting my dream woman just seeing if I like it enough to repeat visit.

We will see how it goes. All my vacation time has is planning to be stacked towards wife material countries from now on, unless I get into a social circle where I think it is worth investing vacation time on a group outing.

[robreke]

(03-17-2016 08:09 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

Travesty,

You are in a solid position based on your age and what I know about you from your posts.

I have a similar mindset although I am 40.

Looking back, I was at my peak 33-36. I am still able to pull young attractive girls, but I know I am approaching a ceiling on this.

I don't like closing doors on anything, but I would probably never consider marrying an American woman.

Brodiga had a well written post on deciding between living in comfort in the west and living for your sex/dating life in a third world country. This is something that many of us here need to consider as we age into our 40s and 50s. I have been searching for positions abroad for a few years, but have yet to find something solid in a country that I want to live in long-term.

Similar in age to you Dantes. I'm going abroad soon. Though I still bang young women in the US, often of good quality, it's usually a one night stand kind of deal/online and they are told or think I'm mid 30s at oldest.

You mentioned you're having a tough time finding a solid position in a foreign country where you want to be long term. Are you opposed to finding a good girl overseas and bringing her back to the US to a more conservative/traditional part of the country?

[Dantes]

Robreke,

I am not opposed to this. It probably represents the most viable option at this point for me. I have done enough scouting. This summer I will be posting up in one or two countries.

[rishboy77]

(03-13-2016 03:25 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Ukraine still seems very doable RE large age gaps. You need to keep in mind that the target universe starts going down substantially after say 45, but in countries with a lot of attractive & healthy women there are still enough options to make it work and work well.

My current main squeeze and I have a 25 year age difference. I seem to still get attention from certain women in the 24-30 age range when I'm out, even though I'm graying now and by no means look like I'm in my late 20s or 30s. I do try to keep in shape and probably look a little younger than I am (which is mid 40s) though, so that helps I guess.

It also seems that once the girls here get past say 25 they really start listening to biology and the "clock ticking" thing. Partly because they aren't fed all the feminist YOLO propaganda like back home and aren't assaulted with Big Pharma "anti-depressant" medication ads or by the doctors that prescribe that stuff (and thus aren't drugged-up trainwrecks). But also because it's still a family-oriented place and parents push their children to have kids and settle down for the most part. And as the start to see all their friends getting married they just want to get a taste of it and "live the (female) dream."

The 30+ cohort of women is where it gets really tricky and I'm basically like "why bother." I do think you could date women in the 30-35 age bracket well into your 60s if you kept in shape which is a nice option to have later on.

Also, there are a ton of women here who got married early on and had a kid at say 20-24, then got divorced and now are in the 25-30 age bracket but still look great. I personally know of 4-5 girls like that who I am not pursuing because they have kids but could if I wanted. I think that market is very wide open with regard to high age gaps if you choose to go down that route (and it's still going to be an opportunity 5-10 years from now).

Great post... I could not have said it better myself.

I specialize in the 25 - 30 divorcee type Ukrainians in good shape up to 54kg is my limit... in addition to Skype I actually confirm their weight before meeting. LOL.
Most girls are not offended by this surprisingly.

I actually prefer the ones with kids but are still in good shape over the ones with no kids since they interested in getting knocked up pretty quickly and I'm not interested in having more kids. I have a few Ukrainians in my current pipeline stable that fits this stereotype perfectly.
She is 27, no kids and going through a divorce but still living with Ex til she can move out. She is 7 face wise and 8 body wise.
I got another one from Kkarkov that has a killer rack, since most Ukrainians tend to be small chested and just broke up with BF and moved back home with her kid.

I'm going to 46 this year and I could stand to be in better shape and lose at least 10 lbs. For me I love Ukraine for the fact I'm dating chicks nearly 20 years younger very easy.
Thank God for Daddy issues.

[Travesty]

I still am confused whether I should try UA as a country to seek wife material. It seems like girls there are always looking for the bigger better deal culturally. I don't think that is a smart move long term.

I am guessing it is similar to Colombian girls. Yeah there can be gems but just the culture and the way the girls operate I really never saw the girls as trustworthy or loyal in general. In fact the nicest upper class good girl I met dumped a boyfriend that "didn't let her have enough freedom". I was told by her friend group Colombians women "can't be tied down, they have to be free". I know the flavor in UA is probably different, but the same kind of mistrust undercurrent seems to be there.

[ball dont lie]

Im in my mid-30s and have no problem with the 23-26 year olds in China. Younger than that in China at least and the girl is full retard. Even basic conversation is very difficult. I like girls that have been working a couple years and been slapped in the face by reality so they aren't completely full of themselves. Also here most girls haven't become complete cock riding by 25 so its not a problem finding a girl with a good personality, still young, has a job that produces income, but its a slut.

[PeruLover12]

(03-18-2016 06:22 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I still am confused whether I should try UA as a country to seek wife material. It seems like girls there are always looking for the bigger better deal culturally. I don't think that is a smart move long term.

But they are looking for the bigger better deal with YOU.

They expect the man they are married to, to strive to achieve all he can to support the family financially whilst she strives in her role as best she can to take care of the children, home, herself and you as best she can. It's a deal. The problem is when the husband does not live up to his side of the bargain to strive to improve the standard of living for the family. That is when eventually the wife starts thinking of seeking someone else to improve her and your children's position in life. As long as you are making an effort she will stick with you through good and bad unless of course you have simply married a woman with poor morals. The fault for that however would lie squarely with you.

[PeruLover12]

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(03-19-2016 02:34 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 06:22 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I still am confused whether I should try UA as a country to seek wife material. It seems like girls there are always looking for the bigger better deal culturally. I don't think that is a smart move long term.

But they are looking for the bigger better deal with YOU.

They expect the man they are married to, to strive to achieve all he can to support the family financially whilst she strives in her role as best she can to take care of the children, home, herself and you as best she can. It's a deal. The problem is when the husband does not live up to his side of the bargain to strive to improve the standard of living for the family. That is when eventually the wife starts thinking of seeking someone else to improve her and your children's position in life. As long as you are making an effort she will stick with you through good and bad unless of course you have simply married a woman with poor morals. The fault for that however would lie squarely with you.

I'll add that it also helps if you see this effort as a fun game rather than a chore. That happy attitude will probably rub off on the girl too.

Making money, hitting the gym, etc - it can be fun.

I think that's why CEOs and rock stars keep doing what they do. It's not like they need the money.

[Travesty]

Let's say I wifed a UA girl. Here is a scenario that seems more common to happen than with women of other culture from what I have built in my mind. I buy her a practical car let's say after having a kid.

Now all of sudden she wants a $60k Lexus because the neighbor has one and guilts me for not being able to afford that for her status needs.

That would never be fun for me no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you can come up with.

That money is better spent on so many other things. Plus those types of fights on a smaller scale with overpriced clothes and bullshit - no thanks.

[ball dont lie]

(03-19-2016 11:27 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

Let's say I wifed a UA girl. Here is a scenario that seems more common to happen than with women of other culture from what I have built in my mind. I buy her a practical car let's say after having a kid.

Now all of sudden she wants a $60k Lexus because the neighbor has one and guilts me for not being able to afford that for her status needs.

That would never be fun for me no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you can come up with.

That money is better spent on so many other things. Plus those types of fights on a smaller scale with overpriced clothes and bullshit - no thanks.

Agree completely. You have to know what you want first and if that is a normal life without all the bling, great.

A couple years ago I had a LTR with a nice 24 year old Chinese girl, architect at the best firm in NE China, parents in government, going to give her 200k USD when she got married. I broke up with her because while she kept saying money wasn't important to her, I would watch her ogle BMW and Lexus. The one day talking about cars she said, sure, a Toyota is nice for the first car, but then we get a Lexus or two, right? Next week I let her go.

People can play that game where "I really want to work 60+ hours a week to buy stuff ". I don't play that game.