[haywire]

I used to like Assanova's stuff a lot, the cat definitely dropped in some gems from time to time and has a sharp intuition and understanding of the game. But of late, some of the stuff he writes about is not only contradictory but at times plain nonsensical. Perhaps his overall perspective is narrow which could be because of him being confined to a small midwestern town where he has practiced all forms of game with a good success rate, unlike the cats here who are true international playboys having gamed in all parts of the world and having tasted both the extremes of the success spectrum.

[iknowexactly]

I just read a post-- his site is "real made men" now right?

One idea I thought was good was to use your skills as an avenue to get chix.

Like, play music, get music groupies. Makes social circle sense.

Also, the story where he had a sorority chick isolated but refrained from attacking. She was more valuable as bait.

Great idea, if one chick could conceivably lead you to 5-10 others or even more over the next couple years, might be worth it wait,

That's a difference between guys who plan to have a central residence and guys who truly want to keep moving.
I do NOT want to move my drum set, video editing setup, all this stuff every few months, and I need to to create what I need to create.

The pursuits I like-- playing in bands and making films- require pretty prolonged stays 1-2 years in a location to get them going.
I met a girl here who plays drums, if I attack and she won't fuck, I could lose the drummer, the band structure, her friends , more groupies... a lot of shit.

[Blunt]

I stopped reading him a while ago because I can't relate. He manages to slip in shit in half his posts about how he's 6'4'' with model looks, like that would make people want to take his word more.

Some dudes just can't teach because they never had to learn.

Increasing your attractiveness is good advice but the extent to which it can help is limited. Style blogs and a workout program will help you with that.

In the post jariel links to the guy goes on about how you should just become a more attractive dude. 1 post down he says self-improvement only provides a very meager result.

I guess everyone should stop learning game and improving themselves and just wait for their "break through". He says that will happen when you look back at which girls let you bang them. So don't try to bang hotter or more quality girls. Know your place guys. http://www.realmademen.com/2012/02/when-...appen.html

This is why I can't take this guy seriously and I stopped reading his horseshit.

[iknowexactly]

(02-08-2012 10:45 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

. So don't try to bang hotter or more quality girls. Know your place guys. http://www.realmademen.com/2012/02/when-...appen.html

This is why I can't take this guy seriously and I stopped reading his horseshit.

Good criticism, Ric Okasec was famous but also really flat out ugly, but Paulina Porizkova loved him as soon as she saw him according to her.

Women have some strange tastes, luckily for us hahaha.

I've seen women eye-fucking me who were seemingly way out of my league. After I complete my transformation into a Ruthless Approach Machine (RAM ™) we'll see if my intuitions are right!!!

[gds555]

(02-07-2012 08:24 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

They have to feel that the very minimal incremental effort they put in to steer the train is a large part cause of their heroic success.

Just for the record, trains don't have to be steered: the tracks do that for them. It's a point that's often been misunderstood by the lay public in recent decades, when railroad technology hasn't been in the public consciousness as much as it perhaps should be.

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-07-2012 02:08 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Quote:

You may be wondering why I've been on so many anti-game rants lately, and the reason why, is because losers use game. Now before you go up in arms, I want you to give serious thought to the statement I just made. The only guys who have to use game, are losers. And by the very fact that you rely on it in your attempts to get women, it would most likely make you one of the undesirable men.

http://www.realmademen.com/2012/02/losers-use-game.html

You can learn a lot of game/human psychology by observing the actions and results of people who hate game.

You can learn how to bed feminazi's by reading their literature and knowing their language. You can control the environment and then feed her back the things she wants to hear, and then fuck her in the ass.

Game is dangerous, mostly because it works.

[Chad Daring]

(02-08-2012 10:45 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

I stopped reading him a while ago because I can't relate. He manages to slip in shit in half his posts about how he's 6'4'' with model looks, like that would make people want to take his word more.

Some dudes just can't teach because they never had to learn.

Increasing your attractiveness is good advice but the extent to which it can help is limited. Style blogs and a workout program will help you with that.

In the post jariel links to the guy goes on about how you should just become a more attractive dude. 1 post down he says self-improvement only provides a very meager result.

I guess everyone should stop learning game and improving themselves and just wait for their "break through". He says that will happen when you look back at which girls let you bang them. So don't try to bang hotter or more quality girls. Know your place guys. http://www.realmademen.com/2012/02/when-...appen.html

This is why I can't take this guy seriously and I stopped reading his horseshit.

Reminds me of a quote something along the lines of "the best teachers were mediocre students who fought to become the best"

I Think thats why Roosh has done such a good job at teaching what he teaches. He's coming from the point of view of an average looking guy with zero game to start. He knows what its like to be at the very bottom. Guys like Assanova dont, they get it and think you should get it, if you dont you're a loser.

[Gmac]

(02-07-2012 11:57 PM)brosenthal91 Wrote:  

I'm a big fan of Assanova, and in fact read this article yesterday. It really piqued by interest as it is so straightforward about 'game'. I feel like many people are misinterpreting his article. The two things I got from the article are:

1.) The best way to attract better QUALITY females is to become a more attractive man. By improving one's grooming, style, social skills etc. one is more likely to attract better looking women.

2.) Game (what he considers to be game) can increase the QUANTITY of women one gets, but not necessarily the quality. Think about this, the guys who we consider naturals don't have game, they just naturally attract women, hence the term "natural". These guys haven't learned game and that's why Assanova says you don't need game, because you just need to become an attractive man. You can approach sets upon sets, learn every line in the book, but doing this will most likely just increase the number of girls you sleep with, who are of a lower quality then what you would get if you became more attractive.

This may have already been said (I didn't read page 2 yet), but actively becoming more attractive is part of game. Assanova doesn't even seem to understand what game is.

[pantalones]

One could understand where this is coming from,since from the view point of a newbie and ghost reader of these PUA forums for the last month and a half,I see that most of these PUA'S are at least 6 foot 10(like Assanova, Roosh, and Mystery) AND are quite handsome(not gay by the way) I've seen very few exceptions to this rule. So one has to wonder,IS it game,or are these men"naturally" blessed?
It is sometimes difficult to discern for someone with average to slightly below average looks,a pretty adult sense of humor, and intermitent charisma,like myself ,as to whether or not that is the case,but I want to believe. Afterall,I am getting up there in age and would like to get women,that if were I to die tomorrow,I can die a happy man knowing that I got to realize the MAIN thing we were put on this earth to do,and that is to seduce and conquer multiple exceptionally attractive women and move on to the next one. I seem to have forgotten how to do that, since when in my early to mid 20's I kinda did ok. I sure wish we had blogs like this when I was that age back in the 90's. If that were the case,there would have been no stopping me with quantity AND quality.

[Samseau]

(02-08-2012 05:15 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 11:57 PM)brosenthal91 Wrote:  

I'm a big fan of Assanova, and in fact read this article yesterday. It really piqued by interest as it is so straightforward about 'game'. I feel like many people are misinterpreting his article. The two things I got from the article are:

1.) The best way to attract better QUALITY females is to become a more attractive man. By improving one's grooming, style, social skills etc. one is more likely to attract better looking women.

2.) Game (what he considers to be game) can increase the QUANTITY of women one gets, but not necessarily the quality. Think about this, the guys who we consider naturals don't have game, they just naturally attract women, hence the term "natural". These guys haven't learned game and that's why Assanova says you don't need game, because you just need to become an attractive man. You can approach sets upon sets, learn every line in the book, but doing this will most likely just increase the number of girls you sleep with, who are of a lower quality then what you would get if you became more attractive.

This may have already been said (I didn't read page 2 yet), but actively becoming more attractive is part of game. Assanova doesn't even seem to understand what game is.

That's always been my impression of Assanova. Dude has no idea what's he's talking about, or he's seriously confused.

[All or Nothing]

(02-09-2012 11:32 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

That's always been my impression of Assanova. Dude has no idea what's he's talking about, or he's seriously confused.

I read Assanova for awhile. I even looked into his archives. It seems that for a couple years, he was riding the Mystery Method train. He used routines and negs. Eventually he came to the conclusion that it was a complete load of bullshit and stopped using MM, and has been railing against it ever since.

When Assanova talks shit about game I know that he's talking shit about:
-canned routines
-negs
-magic tricks
-other weird shit that Mystery proclaimed

[Giovonny]

(02-07-2012 02:25 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

Seems to be drawing the line between "having game" and "using game."

(02-07-2012 03:34 PM)HawkUnit Wrote:  

It's just a matter of semantics. He equates "game" with "manipulation" or trickery, which is probably legit to a casual observer. However, the "game" that is promulgated by Roosh and many of the board members endorses improving yourself fundamentally to enhance success with women. Be cool, interesting, develop an inventory of experiences etc etc isn't game -- it's just improving yourself.

Ya, I think you guys are right. This discussion "is all semantics".

Assanova was probably just trying to say something that would attract controversy.

If he gets girls, then he has "Game". Its just a slang term. No sense splitting hairs over it.

(02-09-2012 11:44 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

When Assanova talks shit about game I know that he's talking shit about:
-canned routines
-negs
-magic tricks
-other weird shit that Mystery proclaimed

Good distinction. Thats probably all he was talking about..

[snoop]

(02-09-2012 12:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 02:25 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

Seems to be drawing the line between "having game" and "using game."

(02-07-2012 03:34 PM)HawkUnit Wrote:  

It's just a matter of semantics. He equates "game" with "manipulation" or trickery, which is probably legit to a casual observer. However, the "game" that is promulgated by Roosh and many of the board members endorses improving yourself fundamentally to enhance success with women. Be cool, interesting, develop an inventory of experiences etc etc isn't game -- it's just improving yourself.

Ya, I think you guys are right. This discussion "is all semantics".

Assanova was probably just trying to say something that would attract controversy.

If he gets girls, then he has "Game". Its just a slang term. No sense splitting hairs over it.

(02-09-2012 11:44 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

When Assanova talks shit about game I know that he's talking shit about:
-canned routines
-negs
-magic tricks
-other weird shit that Mystery proclaimed

Good distinction. Thats probably all he was talking about..

I think there is also an internal component to it as well....you can get a motorcycle b/c you want to and it makes you happy, regardless of what women think. Or you can buy it solely to try to get women, but that is more of a "trick".

It seems this guy is suggesting to live your life on your terms and based on what you want, not necessarily what women want you to be or have....or as G has put it, "don't give a fuck"

[5K2D]

If he says that "improving social skills" means becoming more attractive rather than improving one's game, then he's using different terms than the rest of us. I think he does go over-the-top when going anti-game, but I think his advice on physical attractiveness is among the more important advice I've received. After reading his stuff, I put in serious effort into improving my looks, and I got way more female attention.

Blunt, I think he has a good point with the "break through" article. For various reasons, I'm a niche product and I know it. I don't feel like I need to change niches, as there are plenty of hot girls willing to sleep with me, even if there are many who will write me off based on who I am or what I do.

[The_CEO]

The guy's moniker is ASSANOVA

And he has written like 500+ pages of observations of what one should do in order to get laid.

He needs to take a hard look in the mirror.

[misterstir]

This is smally only part true. It is trolling to say using game = being a loser. But most girls use game or are aware of it so its hard to believe. Anyhow, the part of game that is bad imo, is that it ignores bad female behaviour and it is focused on how to "cope with" poor female behaviour rather than fixing it. Also it is really feminist at its root, do this to get women, the aim of game is to get women and it is a form of sophisticated approval seeking beta woman pleasing behaviour that is disguised as trying to be alpha male. Its also feminist because it implies that men are the ones who are wrong. Men must change their behaviour to get women in game, not women must open up, or stop being bitches, or stop cock blocking or stop acting like spoiled kids.

Take the term AFC (Average Frustrated Chump). Its a term PUA use to refer to most men, who cannot get the woman they want. A better and more accurate term might be AFC (Average Flaky Cunt) to describe how Western women are flaky and unreliable.

The worst part of Game is the so called shit test. An alpha male would not care or know what a shit test is or a shit test was so he could/would never pass it. In fact for most of human history an alpha male would be some warrior or hunter on a horse who kidnapped and banged any woman he wanted and up until modern era would have been able to legally beat his wife so a shit test would be near useless.

Game MAY not work. It is unclear if people with game get lots of girls because of game, or it is because people who study game tend to approach more women and gain more confidence as they approach more women and they get more women simply because they practice more.

Anyway,, game is a very useful tool despite its weaknesses, but one is not a loser for using it.

[snoop]

(02-10-2012 01:41 AM)misterstir Wrote:  

This is smally only part true. It is trolling to say using game = being a loser. But most girls use game or are aware of it so its hard to believe. Anyhow, the part of game that is bad imo, is that it ignores bad female behaviour and it is focused on how to "cope with" poor female behaviour rather than fixing it. Also it is really feminist at its root, do this to get women, the aim of game is to get women and it is a form of sophisticated approval seeking beta woman pleasing behaviour that is disguised as trying to be alpha male. Its also feminist because it implies that men are the ones who are wrong. Men must change their behaviour to get women in game, not women must open up, or stop being bitches, or stop cock blocking or stop acting like spoiled kids.

Take the term AFC (Average Frustrated Chump). Its a term PUA use to refer to most men, who cannot get the woman they want. A better and more accurate term might be AFC (Average Flaky Cunt) to describe how Western women are flaky and unreliable.

The worst part of Game is the so called shit test. An alpha male would not care or know what a shit test is or a shit test was so he could/would never pass it. In fact for most of human history an alpha male would be some warrior or hunter on a horse who kidnapped and banged any woman he wanted and up until modern era would have been able to legally beat his wife so a shit test would be near useless.

Game MAY not work. It is unclear if people with game get lots of girls because of game, or it is because people who study game tend to approach more women and gain more confidence as they approach more women and they get more women simply because they practice more.

Anyway,, game is a very useful tool despite its weaknesses, but one is not a loser for using it.

If i remember that article correctly he didn't say that using game makes you a loser, but that being a loser makes you use game.

[soup]

Beethoven to royalty:

"What you are, you are by accident of birth; what I am, I am by myself. There are and will be a thousand princes; there is only one Beethoven."

There's something to be said for "losers" who accomplish via game.

There was a time when it was a lot harder to get good at women, or game. Thanks to the internet, we can access and add to the collective wisdom more easily and you don't have to be "born" a natural.

[durangotang]

(02-10-2012 09:36 PM)soup Wrote:  

Beethoven to royalty:

"What you are, you are by accident of birth; what I am, I am by myself. There are and will be a thousand princes; there is only one Beethoven."

There's something to be said for "losers" who accomplish via game.

There was a time when it was a lot harder to get good at women, or game. Thanks to the internet, we can access and add to the collective wisdom more easily and you don't have to be "born" a natural.

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. Everyone here has a bent for self improvement and it's what makes this forum somewhere I like to spend my time. That Beethoven quote is phenomenal - never heard it before.

[Stoic]

realmademen.wordpress.com

[Marcellus]

"Losers Use Game".

I hate to confess this, but I think this statement is true. Alpha males DON'T approach at all. The woman approach them. If nature intended males to be "the chooser", nature would have given us good verbal skills and no approach anxiety. Two things that woman possess.

Desirable males (good looking guys, male strippers, dancers, rockstars, popstars, rich guys, powerful guys) get approached by woman all the time. We cannot deny this fact. Because he has tons of pussy to choose from he grows up as an alphamale.
When a girl wants a husband SHE does the choosing (in general), the dude just says "yes" because of scarcity. And then he works his ass of his whole life to finance her hypergamous lifestyle.

We (high-skilled) beta-males found a shortcut, we use our intelligence to create the unnatural "game" (=woman's hypergamous nature used against her). THAT'S why we get pussy.

Low-skilled beta-males. What about them? ...yeah, just look around you :-)

[ZonZon]

"Game" is basically self improvement - weight lifting/exercise , career building, dieting, life hacking, and women. What am I missing?

[Samseau]

Quote:

good verbal skills and no approach anxiety. Two things that woman possess.

That was a good laugh

[Nomad77]

If game is useless then so is marketing and I have one of the most successful companies in the world that says otherwise: Google. If marketing didn't work, Google wouldn't even exist much less make the billions they do every month.

All game is, is applying the principles of marketing to our interaction with women. We are the product/services and they are the target market.

[jerome]

Assanova is a game denalist, yet he preach his own form of game tactic.