[Enfant_Terrible]

Adele may be fat but her music eases up the girls at my place.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-07-2012 05:28 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

'Why are designers so afraid of curves!!!11!111!1!!?????2/2?@?@??'

Gee, maybe someone like Karl Lagerfeld, one of the biggest names in the business, doesn't want people to associate his merchandise with FUPA-having fatties wearing them and walking down the street?

Fashion's raison d'etre is making the wearer appear wealthy, sophisticated, noble. High class. Corpulence is the antithesis of those traits. Fat suggests poverty, lack of refinement and taste, unsavory origins. Fat is low status, just like having an ugly woman on your arm is. It wouldn't be haute couture if it embraced fatties.

Prevalence of Obesity by Annual Household Income for Persons Ages 18-64

[Caligula]

(02-07-2012 07:06 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 05:28 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

'Why are designers so afraid of curves!!!11!111!1!!?????2/2?@?@??'

Gee, maybe someone like Karl Lagerfeld, one of the biggest names in the business, doesn't want people to associate his merchandise with FUPA-having fatties wearing them and walking down the street?

Fashion's raison d'etre is making the wearer appear wealthy, sophisticated, noble. High class. Corpulence is the antithesis of those traits. Fat suggests poverty, lack of refinement and taste, unsavory origins. Fat is low status, just like having an ugly woman on your arm is. It wouldn't be haute couture if it embraced fatties.

This is spot on. This is why being fat will not become normalised unless people stop being aspirational.

[Gmac]

(02-07-2012 11:51 AM)tomtud Wrote:  

Fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld who is quite a famous fashion designer, calls singer Adele fat. What is interesting is that the comments below the article are vicious towards karl. My guess, is that it's these feminists, or fat women who can't stand the truth when it criticizes fat women. Yet these same women can bash men, or make fun of them if they are balding for example. This is a sensitive issue for many men, yet the same zeal of dissent is not portrayed by men.

Women, if you are fat, you can lose the weight. Don't be so sensitive!!!!!!

http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/karl-lagerf...14633.html

I've called her fat since the first picture I saw of her. Get over it ladies, your idol is fat and you are too!

[Cr33pin]

Adeles wallet is fat

[sine wave killer]

(02-07-2012 09:55 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Adeles wallet is fat

her gut is pretty wide too

[Timoteo]

The late Gianni Versace was once asked why he didn't make a lower-priced line of clothing for the wider public, he said, "I wouldn't want those kind of people wearing my clothes." He wanted his clothes associated with a certain class of people, to be exclusive. Sure, he could have made even more money, but he didn't care.

[Yul Brynner]

Karl Lagerfeld gives fantastic interviews.

One of my favourite bits

Quote:

I had an interview once with some German journalist—some horrible, ugly woman. It was in the early days after the communists—maybe a week after—and she wore a yellow sweater that was kind of see-through. She had huge tits and a huge black bra, and she said to me, “It’s impolite; remove your glasses.” I said, “Do I ask you to remove your bra?”

A few more choice quotes. Tons of knowledge here. I reccomend taking 5 minutes to read it slowly.

The world is not there to please you. It's up to you to please the world.

I can have remorse, but no regrets.

I only go to places if I have a professional reason. I'm not a tourist.

My greatest problem in life is my indifference to the outside world.

I'm never content with what I do. I live in a sort of permanent dissatisfaction. I think that's the secret to doing things well.

If you want respect for your past, it means that you have a problem with your present and even more with your future.

Forgiveness is too easy. I can forget by indifference, but not forgive. I prefer revenge.

I'm open to everything. When you start to criticize the times you live in, your time is over.

A respectable appearance is sufficient to make people more interested in your soul.

The most important thing is to do things, not to have done them.

I try not to be sentimental and obsessive about possessions. I love collecting, but I hate owning.

Florals are for middle-aged women with weight problems.

I look at models like a farmer looks at his potatoes.

If you want to create allure, veil it.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-07-2012 06:36 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I'm taking a communications studies class right now and the resident whale did a presentation on discrimination against lardasses. She used herself as an example of this. What she failed to mention is how she chows down during class. I've seen her demolish 2-3 bags of snacks plus a large soda. An hour later I'll see her at the cafeteria pounding whatever the daily special is.

I woulda raised my hand during the question-and-answer portion and dead-panned this:

"One of the challenges I have in doing my part to combat the horrible discrimination leveled against Obese-Americans [intentionally hyphenated] is responding to the arguments that it is the result of poor lifestyle choices, sloth, and social permissiveness--a society that enables that behavior by removing the stigma of fatness and attacking those who try to restore it. I often respond that people have real health problems, but they just come back with, 'you mean to tell me 35-40 percent of the American population has a thyroid condition?' I simply can't compete with that argument. Can you help equip me--and the others in the class--with the tools to fight these vicious perceptions."

Sure, it means setting aside your pride for one second, but the smart ones would get it. They would especially get it when she tried to actually respond to this argument.

[Tuthmosis]

Part II:

"This is a matter of 'social confidence,' of knowing how to fight perceptions by not just ignoring them, but outright defying them--in the classic Weberheimer-ian sense [made-up name and bullshit theory]. For instance, I've noticed that you eat delicious snacks in class most days. You wash down those snacks with a rather large soda. Then, after class, you go to the cafeteria and enjoy whatever the Daily Special is. People like me know you're not just indulging yourself. You're engaging in form of politics. Politics from below, an ever-day politics-of-action. How do people like me, who don't necessarily belong to this group, support these actions?"

Straight face.

[durangotang]

(02-07-2012 12:35 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Lagerfeld gives her a backhanded compliment in stating that she's pretty, but it's a fact that she's fat. She's not OBESE yet, but she definitely is fat. Fashion designers are notorious fat phobes - the top designers REFUSE to design anything above a certain size.
...

My friend she is obese. Very obese. Just look at her waist line in comparison to her hips and shoulders. It's a sad day when even we question what obese is anymore.

Left to right:
Normal. Overweight. Obese.



Adele:

[WanderingSoul]

My favorite comment so far:

"and this is one of the many reasons i dont go out, and blow away thousands of dollars on designer clothes... cause they dont appeciate all types of body types!!! walmart does me just fine for clothes!! "

Bet shes a real looker.

[mofo]

Adele responds to Lagerfeld:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09...65252.html

"I've never wanted to look like models on the cover of magazines," the 23-year-old Adele told People. "I represent the majority of women and I'm very proud of that."

[Cincinnatus]

(02-09-2012 11:48 AM)mofo Wrote:  

"I've never wanted to look like models on the cover of magazines," the 23-year-old Adele told People. "I represent the majority of women and I'm very proud of that."

That's all good and well, except for the fact that the majority of western women these days are disgusting pigs. Something to be really proud of!

[Nonpareil]

(02-09-2012 11:48 AM)mofo Wrote:  

Adele responds to Lagerfeld:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09...65252.html

"I've never wanted to look like models on the cover of magazines," the 23-year-old Adele told People. "I represent the majority of women and I'm very proud of that."

Well that's just a...total lie.

Fact: Every woman, from the most anorexic lizard to the chunkiest person of Walmart, wants to have a body like Bar Refaeli. They might not admit it, but they all think it; why else do you think every cute, slender girl out there has body issues, or every land beast will at a time talk about losing weight but never do it?

Additional Fact: As big (heh) as Adele is now, she's have even more appeal if she dropped about 45.

As for Lagerfeld, holy beta backpedaling in that article, this is my problem with the whole equalist 'everyone has to love and respect everyone else' society we live in. Just once, why can't a famous man who says something that gets blown out of proportion say 'No, I'm not apologizing. I'm a man and I stand by what I said, you don't like it? Fuck you.'

[WanderingSoul]

(02-09-2012 01:53 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 11:48 AM)mofo Wrote:  

Adele responds to Lagerfeld:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09...65252.html

"I've never wanted to look like models on the cover of magazines," the 23-year-old Adele told People. "I represent the majority of women and I'm very proud of that."

Well that's just a...total lie.

Fact: Every woman, from the most anorexic lizard to the chunkiest person of Walmart, wants to have a body like Bar Refaeli. They might not admit it, but they all think it; why else do you think every cute, slender girl out there has body issues, or every land beast will at a time talk about losing weight but never do it?

Additional Fact: As big (heh) as Adele is now, she's have even more appeal if she dropped about 45.

As for Lagerfeld, holy beta backpedaling in that article, this is my problem with the whole equalist 'everyone has to love and respect everyone else' society we live in. Just once, why can't a famous man who says something that gets blown out of proportion say 'No, I'm not apologizing. I'm a man and I stand by what I said, you don't like it? Fuck you.'

Yeah, she's for sure full of shit lol. Just like I never wanted to have a body like Georges St. Pierre. I mean, why the fuck WOULDN'T I? I don't want it bad enough to diet and train like he does, but I would love to be cut up like that.

The real problem with shit like this is that she is unhealthy. She is very overweight. It's one thing to promote a healthy body image, it's another to promote being overweight and in poor health as a healthy body image. Bitch is too large and will more than likley have health issues as she ages if she doesn't drop weight. This is not something we should make seem normal because future generations are the ones who will have real health problems to deal with.

[Chad Daring]

(02-09-2012 11:48 AM)mofo Wrote:  

Adele responds to Lagerfeld:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09...65252.html

"I've never wanted to look like models on the cover of magazines," the 23-year-old Adele told People. "I represent the majority of women and I'm very proud of that."

She's only 23?! God dayum.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-09-2012 02:41 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

The real problem with shit like this is that she is unhealthy. She is very overweight. It's one thing to promote a healthy body image, it's another to promote being overweight and in poor health as a healthy body image. Bitch is too large and will more than likley have health issues as she ages if she doesn't drop weight. This is not something we should make seem normal because future generations are the ones who will have real health problems to deal with.

Extremism in the defense of aesthetics is no vice. Honestly, the whole 'being obese is unhealthy' thing is just a fucking copout. You mostly hear pussy educated white men making this argument, because they're too cowardly to say straight up that fat is ugly.

Fat IS ugly. Whatever damage it does to your body, by comparison, I really couldn't give a fuck.

Implying that fat *isn't* ugly is just conceding the point to feminists and fattie defenders.

Quote:

Fact: Every woman, from the most anorexic lizard to the chunkiest person of Walmart, wants to have a body like Bar Refaeli. They might not admit it, but they all think it; why else do you think every cute, slender girl out there has body issues, or every land beast will at a time talk about losing weight but never do it?

True that. I've seen the site Pinterest now several times, and I've yet to see any remotely fat chicks on there, or fat dudes for that matter. Girls themselves don't want to see that, and that's a female dominated website.

[Excelsior]

The comments on the articles I've seen on this topic have convinced me that when it comes to body image and sexuality, westerners are actually delusional. I mean really and truly delusional.

I think this applies most clearly to Americans. When I read the top comments on predominantly American sites like HuffPo, I see nothing but delusion and fattie-defending from both men and women. At HuffPo or almost any American site (Yahoo, etc), all of the top comments almost without exception on articles like these are pro-fat.

I find similar articles on English sites like the Daily Mail, and while there is plenty of positive "fatitude" over there I certainly see many more commenters willing to call a spade a spade, and comments that point out the obvious (ex: she is fat, this is unhealthy, we should not insult her but perhaps we should also not promote this) actually often become the top rated ones. The level of delusion over in the UK seems lower than it is in America, though still significantly higher than it ought to be. Levels of delusion appear to decline even further elsewhere in Europe, and fall pretty far once you get out of the Western world altogether. Americans are by a wide margin the ones most convinced that fat is right.

Then I saw this today:



This thing has over 6000 likes on facebook. Some chick who recently graduated from my school (who isn't even overweight) shared it.

I mean, look at what she's saying: "I love food and hate exercise." Who in their right mind thinks this is an idea to support or promote? I understand the notion that not everyone can be as thin as Giselle Bundchen and not everyone should, but why on Earth does going to the other extreme in this manner seem rational to anyone? How can anyone promote this? Can they seriously not see how going to the other extreme is not a good idea and will just create another problem?

And then there are the false dichotomies: "I'd rather weigh a ton and do an amazing album than look like Nicole Richie and do a shitty album."
And then everyone else in the comments jumps on the bandwagon with this type of logic: "Yeah, I'd rather her look like this than some stick insect! Go Adele!" As if there are no healthy body types in between anorexic and obese.

Because everyone knows there are only two choices in life: be anorexic like this, or be obese. There is no in between. There is no way to lose weight, still be healthy and still make great music.

This foolishness is driving me crazy, man. I'm really starting to wonder if everyone really is off kilter in this place. I mean, the girl who shared this photo and promoted it is not only not-overweight, she's got two elite Ivy League schools on her resume. Supposedly intelligent people are getting behind completely nonsensical crap like this.

Then they come around and wonder why America's life expectancy is so low relative to other developed nations (richest nation on earth = 36th highest life expectancy, tied with the likes of Cuba), why rates of diabetes/heart disease and other ailments are going up, and why our society doesn't do more to promote healthy living.

I mean, for fuck's sake people: you cannot incentivize weight loss in your society when you're making a concerted effort to say "No, its ok! Your big "curvy" body is beautiful! Everyone is beautiful just the way they are! Don't feel pressure to conform!" You can't encourage AND discourage weight loss at the same time.

I have to get out of this place. Sorry for the rant, I'm done.

[Screwston]

I don't know why fat cows can't just admit that they're fat and need to lose weigh. Always excuses involved. I've known big guys and they'll be the first ones to tell you that they're fat and love eating. I respect honesty more than bullshit.

[Bronan the Barbarian!]

Goddammit, Krazy Karl backpedaled on his statement:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57...adele-fat/

Was really hoping the dude would stick to his fattie-shaming guns.

[Nonpareil]

(02-09-2012 04:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

The comments on the articles I've seen on this topic have convinced me that when it comes to body image and sexuality, westerners are actually delusional. I mean really and truly delusional.

I think this applies most clearly to Americans. When I read the top comments on predominantly American sites like HuffPo, I see nothing but delusion and fattie-defending from both men and women. At HuffPo or almost any American site (Yahoo, etc), all of the top comments almost without exception on articles like these are pro-fat.

I find similar articles on English sites like the Daily Mail, and while there is plenty of positive "fatitude" over there I certainly see many more commenters willing to call a spade a spade, and comments that point out the obvious (ex: she is fat, this is unhealthy, we should not insult her but perhaps we should also not promote this) actually often become the top rated ones. The level of delusion over in the UK seems lower than it is in America, though still significantly higher than it ought to be. Levels of delusion appear to decline even further elsewhere in Europe, and fall pretty far once you get out of the Western world altogether. Americans are by a wide margin the ones most convinced that fat is right.

Then I saw this today:



This thing has over 6000 likes on facebook. Some chick who recently graduated from my school (who isn't even overweight) shared it.

I mean, look at what she's saying: "I love food and hate exercise." Who in their right mind thinks this is an idea to support or promote? I understand the notion that not everyone can be as thin as Giselle Bundchen and not everyone should, but why on Earth does going to the other extreme in this manner seem rational to anyone? How can anyone promote this? Can they seriously not see how going to the other extreme is not a good idea and will just create another problem?

And then there are the false dichotomies: "I'd rather weigh a ton and do an amazing album than look like Nicole Richie and do a shitty album."
And then everyone else in the comments jumps on the bandwagon with this type of logic: "Yeah, I'd rather her look like this than some stick insect! Go Adele!" As if there are no healthy body types in between anorexic and obese.

Because everyone knows there are only two choices in life: be anorexic like this, or be obese. There is no in between. There is no way to lose weight, still be healthy and still make great music.

This foolishness is driving me crazy, man. I'm really starting to wonder if everyone really is off kilter in this place. I mean, the girl who shared this photo and promoted it is not only not-overweight, she's got two elite Ivy League schools on her resume. Supposedly intelligent people are getting behind completely nonsensical crap like this.

Then they come around and wonder why America's life expectancy is so low relative to other developed nations (richest nation on earth = 36th highest life expectancy, tied with the likes of Cuba), why rates of diabetes/heart disease and other ailments are going up, and why our society doesn't do more to promote healthy living.

I mean, for fuck's sake people: you cannot incentivize weight loss in your society when you're making a concerted effort to say "No, its ok! Your big "curvy" body is beautiful! Everyone is beautiful just the way they are! Don't feel pressure to conform!" You can't encourage AND discourage weight loss at the same time.

I have to get out of this place. Sorry for the rant, I'm done.

Her aim in life is never to be skinny? Kind of a short-sighted way of thinking there, considering as a 'musician', longevity is your friend and as a fat bitch, she's basically shaving 15 years off her life.

And don't bullshit me with having no time for exercise. Bitch please. You know what a 23 year old female has to do to keep in good shape? Eat healthy, run 3-4 times a week and do yoga a couple times a week...that's it.

Again, calling it; in the next five years she'll pull a Hudson and drop the weight (in part because she'll be offered a huge deal by Jenny Craig or Weight Watchers to do so).

[Timoteo]

The "I don't have time" excuse is the default excuse for not exercising. People make time for what they really want, or for what is really important. Celebs can always carve out time if they want to, and celebrity trainers are always looking to add another notch to their rep. Adele essentially admitted she's lazy, and doesn't care if she's fat as long as it doesn't get in the way of selling records. Most chubby/fat celebs eventually knuckle under and lose, but I've never heard this kind of defiance out of a celeb in being determined to remain fat.

[Chad Daring]

When will musicians start doing LSD again and stop doing crack, meth, and twinkies

[Timoteo]

(02-09-2012 06:07 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

When will musicians start doing LSD again and stop doing crack, meth, and twinkies

No doubt. I've seen before and after pics of Amy Winehouse, and that shit broke her down quickly. Since Adele is lazy, she should just hit the pipe for a little bit, and she'd lose the weight without much effort!