[kosko]

(02-05-2012 06:24 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

Good thing college in Canada isn't extremely expensive. I doubt I'll have any debt when I graduate(Parents are paying a big chunk and I'm taking care of the rest).

I see it as a way to learn new skills, build a large network, and have a lot of sex.

I don't see it as a way to guarantee a job for myself. Its up to me to make my own living, I will not work for someone else unless I have a massive amount of freedom.

It is pricey if you have to pay. Most kids in Canada to be frank are somewhat well off in our generation. I did not have those opportunities and plunged into school with loans. I sit at 23K in debt and I am only in 3rd year. It costs roughly 7k for tuition for me. I am debating leaving school to work in the field and hustle that way, my program is great as it is a professional program with accreditation to follow.

School is a fukin joke tho, only are labs mimic the real world the rest of the classes are complete nonsense. I would rather get myself into a position where I am with a great firm whom would support me in finishing my degree and helping with the costs. This is my goal right now, I'll ditch the moment the right gig comes up.

[Saladin]

(02-06-2012 02:40 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 06:24 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

Good thing college in Canada isn't extremely expensive. I doubt I'll have any debt when I graduate(Parents are paying a big chunk and I'm taking care of the rest).

I see it as a way to learn new skills, build a large network, and have a lot of sex.

I don't see it as a way to guarantee a job for myself. Its up to me to make my own living, I will not work for someone else unless I have a massive amount of freedom.

It is pricey if you have to pay. Most kids in Canada to be frank are somewhat well off in our generation. I did not have those opportunities and plunged into school with loans. I sit at 23K in debt and I am only in 3rd year. It costs roughly 7k for tuition for me. I am debating leaving school to work in the field and hustle that way, my program is great as it is a professional program with accreditation to follow.

School is a fukin joke tho, only are labs mimic the real world the rest of the classes are complete nonsense. I would rather get myself into a position where I am with a great firm whom would support me in finishing my degree and helping with the costs. This is my goal right now, I'll ditch the moment the right gig comes up.

Yeah. It is expensive.
But its nothing compared to what students in Private colleges in the USA pay.

Its more comparable to state tuition fees.

Residence makes things a lot more expensive too.

Which University are you at by the way?

[pitt]

(02-05-2012 06:24 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

Good thing college in Canada isn't extremely expensive. I doubt I'll have any debt when I graduate(Parents are paying a big chunk and I'm taking care of the rest).

I see it as a way to learn new skills, build a large network, and have a lot of sex.

I don't see it as a way to guarantee a job for myself. Its up to me to make my own living, I will not work for someone else unless I have a massive amount of freedom.

Torontokid is good that you have a business mentality, however you should think that you are going to college in case your businesses ideas dont work and you have something to fall back. So make sure you are choosing a course that will help you having a good job in the future (preferably opt for an engineering course). Its easier for you to succeed when you have a degree in hands and you are also a business minded person.

Also when you are 18 years old, you have this idea that your business willl blow quick and that you will be well off by the time you are 25. However, being a business person involves lots of errors. Why are you so sure that your business will work? Whats so special about it? You seem to focus a lot on freedom which is not bad, but freedom without good money wont work, most of the guys on this forum who are well off are in their 30s, i havent heard of a single guy on here who is in his early or mid 20s making big chunks of money, the guys here who are well off in their 30s probably also worked for few years for a company during their 20s, so dont think that freedom will come without some enslavement. You have to go through a time where you dont have enough freedom in order to have total freedom.

Be wise, there are lots of information on this forum that will make you successful if you play your cards right, fuck, i wish i was on this forum when i was 18 instead of being on other dumb forums arguing about who is the best rapper out there ( i know this forum didnt exist back then).

[Saladin]

(02-06-2012 03:15 AM)pitt Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 06:24 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

Good thing college in Canada isn't extremely expensive. I doubt I'll have any debt when I graduate(Parents are paying a big chunk and I'm taking care of the rest).

I see it as a way to learn new skills, build a large network, and have a lot of sex.

I don't see it as a way to guarantee a job for myself. Its up to me to make my own living, I will not work for someone else unless I have a massive amount of freedom.

Torontokid is good that you have a business mentality, however you should think that you are going to college in case your businesses ideas dont work and you have something to fall back. So make sure you are choosing a course that will help you having a good job in the future (preferably opt for an engineering course). Its easier for you to succeed when you have a degree in hands and you are also a business minded person.

Also when you are 18 years old, you have this idea that your business willl blow quick and that you will be well off by the time you are 25. However, being a business person involves lots of errors. Why are you so sure that your business will work? Whats so special about it? You seem to focus a lot on freedom which is not bad, but freedom without good money wont work, most of the guys on this forum who are well off are in their 30s, i havent heard of a single guy on here who is in his early or mid 20s making big chunks of money, the guys here who are well off in their 30s probably also worked for few years for a company during their 20s, so dont think that freedom will come without some enslavement. You have to go through a time where you dont have enough freedom in order to have total freedom.

Be wise, there are lots of information on this forum that will make you successful if you play your cards right, fuck, i wish i was on this forum when i was 18 instead of being on other dumb forums arguing about who is the best rapper out there ( i know this forum didnt exist back then).

Yeah Uni should provide a worst case backup in case things fail. I'm not doing engineering but its very likely I'll be doing something business related(I've applied to many Unis for commerce or business management). Engineering is just something I have 0 passion for.

I'm confident I'll do well though because I know a lot of people who are doing well on their own and they are very young(18 and 22).

I know too many people who are making mad cash at a young age to have any doubt regarding my own potential abilities.

A common I theme I saw among the young guys who are successfully making cash is that they hated the idea of working for other people.

Even right now, worst case scenario I could write articles all day and still make enough to survive. Its just that I hate writing articles and I want to focus on other things like pickup and my other projects.

[InternationPlayboy]

My take on college is if someone else is paying for it and it works for you and the life you live, may as well. But for me I don't think it's worth it. Most people with lots of cash don't even use their degrees in the work they do.

[sine wave killer]

I graduated from college a few years ago. I came out with really next to no debt. I went to a city school in NYC, basically due to my financial background (i'm poor) school was pretty much free. I also had a few grants and a scholarship that allowed me to go study abroad. I went to school for art/performance, really the only jobs you have coming out are in tutoring/education (and part time at that). It's been rough but I wouldn't trade the experiences I had in training under some of the best artists/performers literally in the world right now for damn near free. The thing that still pays off about this is that I have a few of these guys still in my contact network and i'm able to still visit them at their studio's and get advice about business, craft and life.

Outside of my major, school was a fucking joke. I'm debating about taking the graduate route but I'm not sure I can justify taking 30k of debt for an MFA.

[UrbanNerd]

I think if you are in the right major, college can be worth it. Yeah, you can do it without college but everyone cannot be a business owner. Owning a business is ideal but let's face it...it's a WHOLE LOT of work and risk and you have to pretty much think network, network, network 24/7.

If you keep you computer skills up to par, recruiters basically find you. No networking necessary.

[Kona]

(02-02-2012 10:04 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

This Stephen guy nails it.

(02-02-2012 10:04 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Mr. Stephens

Did you guys read the part that says Mr. Stephens is only 20 years old??

The little bastard better keep his mouth shut and go to class because that's a shitty article.

Did you read the part about being a psychologist?

Then I click on Mr. Stephens website. It's got a bunch of ads!!!

Of course kids that are thinking about dropping out are gonna click on that and read it. He's cashing in. I stopped reading, but I imagine I'll get to a part where I gotta pay for something.

Can you think if your kid was away at some fancy school popping your credit card number into Mr. stephens website to buy his crap how pissed you'd be?

You gotta go to college, that's where you learn. You just can't get a degree in something like Mythology unless you really want to take it all the way and be a mythologist. Go learn about something practical while you're young.

Aloha!

[kosko]

I haven't learned shit in school. College teaches you to be a work mule for the system. But you need to know how to act like a work mule to exploit the system for its gains.

For somebody whom is a big-picture, outside the box, Right-Brained dudes like me School isn't designed for me. Its meant to whip people into robotic shape. Its a tool meant as a means to get to my end. I stopped leaning my hat on this nonsense a few months ago. It makes no sense when your the smartest guy in the room and School does not good for you. I still view it as important but school does not make successful people that is something that comes from whiten.

The way the system is set up I am either going to be a game changer globally or a complete wreak on the street. That's how the system is hedged for me.. its either success or the gutter. I was never breed to be somebody whom just rides the status quo to some typical lifestyle.

I always believed playing it safe would be best, starting to shake that off and say fuck it. School is only beneficial for a few fields, 80% of programs are garbage and will be irrelevant when new global trends make them obsolete.

[Goldin Boy]

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I guess my question is that are you all saying that most employers do not check credentials PERIOD...or most don't check when a degree(s) are required?

I can understand not verifying if the job does not call for a degree.

I'll use myself. I have B.A. and 2 semesters of grad school. I put on my resume I have a M.A. HSBC asked for my transcript I sent them the transcript that showed 2 semester completed. My bckground check was done, I got the job.

To verify most degrees and dates attained, there is a service called the National Student Clearinghouse. But it cost $$ (you can buy there too) and the price varies by school. Like Mixx said M.D.'s JD, DPM jobs and ppl with professional degrees will get vetted but other jobs they don't.

An ex of a friend of mine works in hr for a hotel in NY, she told me that all she does is this: Call employers and verify rank, social, and salary. It's crazy to me that they pay people 30K+ to do 3 mins of work and push papers. You don't need real work experience either, you can set-up friends with pre-paids who can spew that info for you.

[JayMillz]

Not necessarily a factor but those out of high school without a 4-year college degree and are twice as likely to be unemployed as those with one or more http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

[WestIndianArchie]

1) Friends for life.
2) life/personal transformation
3) women

4) networking
5) education that you can't get by reading on your own
6) slight chance of getting a job

In that order.

[xsplat]

Not sure if my experience pertains to the question of the value of a college degree, but here goes. Due to lifestyle and temperamental reasons, I didn't want to either go to college or work for anyone else. Instead I opted to be an entrepreneur, and started many small businesses, stubbornly sticking with my chosen lifestyle through the good and the mostly hand to mouth bad times.

There were many years of high stress poverty, many late rent checks. Things got a bit easier after moving to SE Asia where keeping expenses extremely low was possible. I cycled through some moderate times, had a few very good times, but mostly it was hand to mouth extreme poverty.

And yet my life was good. I was happy and doing what I wanted to do. Eventually through stubborn diligence one of my ventures did ok. Much later after realizing to stop diversifying into new ventures and to focus on what I know works, I was able to make that grow into a modestly successful personal income. Now my income is above average - not just for my location, but for most any location. That took decades of fumbling around ineptly to accomplish.

So that is another life option - fumble around in poverty for decades. Honestly - it worked for me, and I'm glad that I chose that lifestyle, and wouldn't do it much differently if I could do it all over. It would have been nice to learn to not be overconfident and to not stretch myself too thin at a younger age, but some people have to learn their limits the hard way.

So for very stubborn fiercely independent people who have little need for peer admiration, entrepreneurship - even when you suck at it - can be the choice for you.

[snoop]

(02-06-2012 03:15 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Torontokid is good that you have a business mentality, however you should think that you are going to college in case your businesses ideas dont work and you have something to fall back. So make sure you are choosing a course that will help you having a good job in the future (preferably opt for an engineering course). Its easier for you to succeed when you have a degree in hands and you are also a business minded person.

Not only that, but college is also a place to network and find other people who will can become key contributing resources in your future plans.

College isn't just a simple pay X amount of dollars and get Y amount in future returns, there is also a lot of other abstract value that can be obtained such as exposure to different cultures, ideas, religions, etc.

[snoop]

(02-17-2012 08:33 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

1) Friends for life.
2) life/personal transformation
3) women

4) networking
5) education that you can't get by reading on your own
6) slight chance of getting a job

In that order.

7. Access to resources you would otherwise not have (things like labs and equipment and highly educated instructors/trainers immediately come to mind)

#6 is also very much dependant on your field. My degree is mandatory, I could not have gotten my job without it. I think the key to that part is to pick a field that is needed by society.

[tomtud]

Finishing college gives you options. For example, you may teach English in south Korea if nothing pans out at home. There are many things that you can benefit from by doing it. On the other hand, if you don't finish, you will have less options. As for the investment, will you be financially better off in the next few years with it or without it is a mystery.

I am a big advocate for trades. Learning to be a plumber or carpenter, you can never go wrong. Always opportunities to do cash jobs on the side, and work your own hours. In hindsight,I wish I took that route sometimes. However, a university education usually takes many years to see the investment blossom.

[Saladin]

College is massive for networking. Missing out on college is a horrible idea because A)You lose the opportunity to gain a massive business network, B)College is perfect for getting laid and its helluva lot of fun.

I suggest going to a school with rich kids. Rich kids = amazing networking. They usually have very well networked parents who can massively help your career or business plans.

Staying on campus/dorms is also essential. It allows for a lot of networking opportunities.

As for debt, If you have an income of 2-3k a month you won't have to worry about that.

[Aliblahba]

(02-05-2012 02:53 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 02:41 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

If you are not majoring in computer science, mathematics (comp-sci emphasis), computer engineering, petroleum engineering, accounting or finance, it is kind of hard to justify spending a lot on college or even going to college...UNLESS you are getting a free ride to one of the Ivy League schools, Stanford, Cal-Berkeley, Georgia Tech or Northwestern.

I lucked out since I was a mathematics/computer science major. Got me a good 13-14 years in the private sector then went the security clearance route once the economy got shaky.

Even now, I tell hopeful computer science/engineering majors to knock out the first 2 years at a community college then finish up at your big 4-year school in your home state....then let your employer pay for your graduate degree.

Guys in the technology field working as temps/contractors rarely get their credentials verified when working through an agency/3rd party.

I personally know a Venezuelan guy who works as a Linux admin and an Oracle technology admin who ONLY does contract work via 1099 or through agencies (never direct/perm hire), and he tells me he does NOT have a college degree, nor is it it ever problem when they perform his background checks because they do not verify them. He's been doing this for almost 9 years. I was amazed to learn he never makes below $80/hr even in todays economy! He really has it down to a science, if it becomes an issue, he'll move on to a dozen other agencies that will give him work without the hassle.

I would guess he would steer clear of any gigs that require security clearance.

Mixx

In the industry UrbaNerd and I are in, most companies don't line up the sf86 form and resume. This is how so many resume rangers gets jobs.

[Ami5]

In case you should ever feel lik requiring a college degree, you can always opt in for some degree from an Online school, like Excelsior College and likes, and get a Bachelor degree for less than 10K and in less than 1,5 years - all fully fledged and accepted everywhere!

[Aliblahba]

^^^ Here's one faster than that:

http://instantdegrees.com/

Not only will this work, I might just tell you how to pull it off.

[Ami5]

^^
Interesting.

Tell us more about it.

[Ami5]

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[raliv]

(02-22-2012 09:33 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

^^^ Here's one faster than that:

http://instantdegrees.com/

Not only will this work, I might just tell you how to pull it off.

info please.

[lilgotti]

check out http://www.degreeforum.net and degreeforum.wikia.com/wiki/Degree_Forum_Wiki

[WesternCancer]

(02-24-2012 01:11 PM)raliv Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 09:33 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

^^^ Here's one faster than that:

http://instantdegrees.com/

Not only will this work, I might just tell you how to pull it off.

info please.

I'm so getting a Doctorate in womens studies and shoving it in dumb feminist faces.