In this thread, where people are asked to define "game" in one sentence, people have responded with everything from "self improvement" to "fun" to "fuck it" to "Nothing is game, Even anti-game is game".
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So basically, "Game" is a meaningless load of crap. It is vague-ism and obscurantism. It's voodoo and magic.
Couple that with some of the other words people use to try and explain what women find attractive:
What exactly the eff is "aura" and "vibes"? How are people supposed to produce "aura" and "vibes", and add that to their "game" to better their sexual success, if that doesn't even mean anything?
I submit that using the word "game" in the context of courtship is akin to referring to steak as an "animal product", chairs as a "wooden structures", and a blog as "entertainment". It's going in the opposite direction to increased understanding.
Even the common meaning of the word "game" has a billion different definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game#Other_definitions
I propose more specific terms be used instead, and the term "game" be either defined as a specific group of those terms, or done away with. Feel free to criticize this to your hearts content, so we can home in on exactly what we are talking about when we say "game".
Question: Is "game" courtship?
If so, what does "having game" mean? Skill at courtship for a given level of attractiveness?
Perhaps it is this in combination with other things. If that is the case, I submit this first level breakdown for "game" to be these often-conflated parts:
- Introduction. Anything that involves you becoming acquainted with a strange woman. This could be you approaching them, them approaching you, meeting them indirectly through social circle, arranging a date online, and so on.
- Courtship. Comprised of two things: (a) skill in presentation of sexual fitness (or 'SMV' if you like); (b) skill in navigating the interaction towards a sexual relationship.
(a) Could be considered "sexual salesmanship". Same as any other sale: the product is the same, but there are different ways to present it that can improve or damage the chance of a sale. Simple illustration: if you're rich, you don't say "hey did you know how rich I am?", you present it more subtly; if you're a well-liked local musician, you don't say "my show last night was a hit", your friend just happens to drop by to say offhand "by the way, we enjoyed your show last night". If you're funny or a skilled dancer, you tweak your date plans to improve your chance of demonstrating this. If you're just really handsome but a bit socially awkward, you'd focus more on things like Tinder. If you're a natural social leader but not so good looking, you'd leverage that with something like starting and running a popular pub crawl.
(b) Basically "understanding of the female sexual response". You can correctly read and tease out signals of where her feelings are (so called "buying temperature"), you understand the obstacles that may come up and understand how to circumnavigate them (friends, logistics etc), you know when to take a certain action and when to hold off etc. This isn't just in the interaction (e.g. when you touch and where), but also in preparation and future planning (e.g. know good places to bounce to next, don't escalate if you know there is no chance of getting her alone that night, etc). It would also cover screening (since that's detecting the chance of her being DTF with you), and also managing relationships (knowing when she's losing sexual respect for you, or she's up to no good and it's not worth continuing etc).
- Hidden Attractiveness. Aspects of your attractiveness that are not apparent unless you do something. It is attractiveness that must be presented during courtship. Examples include: humour, wisdom, achievements, social reputation (unless you're so famous everyone knows it already), power, wealth, character strengths (what women's so called "shit tests" try to test), neuromuscular co-ordination (why girls get excited by performances of good dancing or music), healthy psychology and bodily energy output (good posture, energetic personality, positivity) and so on. Fundamentally these are displays of bodily health and strength that are not immediately apparent (e.g. central nervous system, endocrine system). These can all be improved to varying degrees and with varying difficulty. This is most frequently blurred together with courtship and both called "game". It is not the same as Courtship:Sexual Salesmanship, since that is the presentation aspect; Hidden Attractiveness is the traits you have or build upon, that must be presented during the Courtship. I.e. "your hand of cards" versus "how you play them".
- Immediate Attractiveness. Aspects of your attractiveness that need little or no presentation -- they are just there and visible from the get go. Things like height, facial attractiveness, style (hairstyle & clothing etc), muscularity, shoulder width, dick size (later), etc. There are two components to this: (a) changeable traits, such as muscularity; (b) unchangeable traits (such as height), which isn't really considered part of "game" unless moving somewhere men are shorter is "game".
All of those parts connect with each other, but I think that's a much higher resolution picture than "game".
Can anyone see any issues with that breakdown? Anything that wouldn't fit into any of those categories or sub-categories?
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So basically, "Game" is a meaningless load of crap. It is vague-ism and obscurantism. It's voodoo and magic.
Couple that with some of the other words people use to try and explain what women find attractive:
Quote: (02-12-2017 02:58 AM)kartik13 Wrote:
Overall, the main message is women pick up on your aura, vibes, and energy. Women are very intuitive and can pick up on things that logic cannot comprehend.
What exactly the eff is "aura" and "vibes"? How are people supposed to produce "aura" and "vibes", and add that to their "game" to better their sexual success, if that doesn't even mean anything?
I submit that using the word "game" in the context of courtship is akin to referring to steak as an "animal product", chairs as a "wooden structures", and a blog as "entertainment". It's going in the opposite direction to increased understanding.
Even the common meaning of the word "game" has a billion different definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game#Other_definitions
I propose more specific terms be used instead, and the term "game" be either defined as a specific group of those terms, or done away with. Feel free to criticize this to your hearts content, so we can home in on exactly what we are talking about when we say "game".
Question: Is "game" courtship?
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the behavior of animals that leads to sexual activity or the period of time when such behavior occurs
If so, what does "having game" mean? Skill at courtship for a given level of attractiveness?
Perhaps it is this in combination with other things. If that is the case, I submit this first level breakdown for "game" to be these often-conflated parts:
- Introduction. Anything that involves you becoming acquainted with a strange woman. This could be you approaching them, them approaching you, meeting them indirectly through social circle, arranging a date online, and so on.
- Courtship. Comprised of two things: (a) skill in presentation of sexual fitness (or 'SMV' if you like); (b) skill in navigating the interaction towards a sexual relationship.
(a) Could be considered "sexual salesmanship". Same as any other sale: the product is the same, but there are different ways to present it that can improve or damage the chance of a sale. Simple illustration: if you're rich, you don't say "hey did you know how rich I am?", you present it more subtly; if you're a well-liked local musician, you don't say "my show last night was a hit", your friend just happens to drop by to say offhand "by the way, we enjoyed your show last night". If you're funny or a skilled dancer, you tweak your date plans to improve your chance of demonstrating this. If you're just really handsome but a bit socially awkward, you'd focus more on things like Tinder. If you're a natural social leader but not so good looking, you'd leverage that with something like starting and running a popular pub crawl.
(b) Basically "understanding of the female sexual response". You can correctly read and tease out signals of where her feelings are (so called "buying temperature"), you understand the obstacles that may come up and understand how to circumnavigate them (friends, logistics etc), you know when to take a certain action and when to hold off etc. This isn't just in the interaction (e.g. when you touch and where), but also in preparation and future planning (e.g. know good places to bounce to next, don't escalate if you know there is no chance of getting her alone that night, etc). It would also cover screening (since that's detecting the chance of her being DTF with you), and also managing relationships (knowing when she's losing sexual respect for you, or she's up to no good and it's not worth continuing etc).
- Hidden Attractiveness. Aspects of your attractiveness that are not apparent unless you do something. It is attractiveness that must be presented during courtship. Examples include: humour, wisdom, achievements, social reputation (unless you're so famous everyone knows it already), power, wealth, character strengths (what women's so called "shit tests" try to test), neuromuscular co-ordination (why girls get excited by performances of good dancing or music), healthy psychology and bodily energy output (good posture, energetic personality, positivity) and so on. Fundamentally these are displays of bodily health and strength that are not immediately apparent (e.g. central nervous system, endocrine system). These can all be improved to varying degrees and with varying difficulty. This is most frequently blurred together with courtship and both called "game". It is not the same as Courtship:Sexual Salesmanship, since that is the presentation aspect; Hidden Attractiveness is the traits you have or build upon, that must be presented during the Courtship. I.e. "your hand of cards" versus "how you play them".
- Immediate Attractiveness. Aspects of your attractiveness that need little or no presentation -- they are just there and visible from the get go. Things like height, facial attractiveness, style (hairstyle & clothing etc), muscularity, shoulder width, dick size (later), etc. There are two components to this: (a) changeable traits, such as muscularity; (b) unchangeable traits (such as height), which isn't really considered part of "game" unless moving somewhere men are shorter is "game".
All of those parts connect with each other, but I think that's a much higher resolution picture than "game".
Can anyone see any issues with that breakdown? Anything that wouldn't fit into any of those categories or sub-categories?