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(05-30-2018 11:36 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:11 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

That's a perfect example of why some groups are brilliant together but shit apart. There's a few bands that come to mind where they tried to work individually and sucked ass without the entire group checking each other.

Excellent point. The first two Star Wars films were really happy accidents in a lot of ways, especially the first one, which changed a lot in the editing.

There is really no substitute for the man-hours required to world-build at a Tolkien-like OCD level. Lucas really didn't have anywhere near the source material I once imagined he had as a child and it was sort of cobbled together, which is still how Star Wars is done today--and it shows in a jarring amount of incoherence, like the tonal shift between TFA and TLJ.

In retrospect, the level of macro-level planning that goes into the MCU films is more of the model for franchises going forward, which is a new innovation in Hollywood and something that hasn't been duplicated anywhere else...and even with MCU they were drawing upon decades of existing comic book lore.

Ay - Star Wars did not happen because of input by the postmodernist writers. Hollywood hired them in the 1970s and people hated it. The French back then ruled world cinema, because they were less postmodernist than the US studios.

Star Wars was a lucky punch where even the ex-wife of Lucas contributed heavily. Lucas of course needs tempering and someone to say no to him or plan ahead better.

The Hollywood studios are missing one big thing or many with their writing by committee and focus-group bullshit. Currently they are ruining movies out of propaganda desires and far left wing postmodernist crap, but even if they did not do it, then they would have to hire people on meritocratic values and simple core-group references.

Star Wars has the same broad public as the Avengers - happy, light, fun, action packed movies in a galaxy far far away. It should not be about fucking Droid Rights or breaking away with all the concepts of good story-telling.

Someone even mentioned that they made Han Solo into a GARY STU. And I agree - sure he was a street urchin and spent some time in the military, but that was just 3 years somewhere off-screen and we saw him drive a glider not overly well even that.

Han Solo is good at gambling for no apparent reason, he is good with his blaster - somewhat. They ruined the character frankly in this movie. If he had been a woman, then he would not have lost against his ex-girlfriend and the guy waving his knives around. In the comics the crime boss is at least force sensitive and he even knows it displaying inhuman Jed-like feats. Also he gets beaten by a 5"2 girl after 3 years worth of training. They could have blended that in making him far more formidable, but then little Miss Sunshine Pussy would not have shined as much.

And note how the fucking empire is nothing in the movie. The bloke just killed a regional commander and not a peep to them? This movie continued with the crap that the big galactic empire meant nothing, when you can kill regional commanders like sacks of potatoes.



You cannot make your enemies/villains pathetic - this was a problem even in the TFA as well as TLJ.