[Samseau]

(12-12-2014 09:27 AM)Flint Wrote:  

Props to Sp5, Quintus Curtius and Tuthmosis for their posts in this thread. They gave me back some hope that this forum doesn't entirely wallow in whiney right-wing romanticism and socio-economic illiteracy.

Economic illiterally belongs to anyone who hasn't read the major economists, something I notice among the left. You guys haven't read the Austrian school, which although not perfect is far superior and makes more sense than virtually any other school.

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It should be emphasized that contemporary US "conservatism" with its peculiar blend of militarism, anti-tax, anti-welfare state and corporates-firs ideology, tough-on-crime stance, Christian fundamentalism, gun fetishism, denial of scientific inquiry with regards to Evolution and environmental issues and a pathological obsession with abortion and gay-marriage has little to with the global conservative mainstream.

Conservatives aren't nearly as guilty of one-party issues as the left:

- Gay marriage
- Executive amnesty
- Black rights
- Latino rights
- Women's "reproductive" rights

I am sure you know them all. Whereas the right continues to march forward just for the same damn issues as they always have, since Barry Goldwater in the 60's or even going back to Lincoln.

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I've been traveling a lot in Eastern Europe in the past years. People there in general are conservative, both men and women. The public health care in those countries is a mess and people know it. Yet, I haven't met any single guy who argues to abolish it. They don't look up to pre-Obamacare America, they rather desire a welfare system like in Scandinavia or Western Europe. Also, wherever I look in other parts of the world: Espousing a public health care system that secures the general well-being of every member in society is the default political position, for conservatives and and leftists alike.

Lol, everyone wants Scandinavian healthcare which is were really just National Socialist economies up until the the late 2000's (read: Nazi). Now that they've opened the immigration floodgates these places will become third-world shitholes in less than 100 years.

And in spite of all of this, American healthcare still has the best quality in the world, even if it's expensive (due to excessive legislation I might add).

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If we understand conservative politics as a way to preserve the foundations of our society than the US administrations of the past decades (Democrats and Republicans alike) did the exact opposite. Especially Reagan's neo-liberal dogma of privatization, widespread deregulation and the dismantlement of industry in favor of Wall Street destroyed the working and middle-classes. This economic paradigm shift re-engineered American society much more radically than measures like Obamacare or legalizing gay-marriage will ever be able to achieve.

Sorry but you're brainwashed. Obamacare is a BIG DEAL and has basically socialized most of the healthcare industry. EVERY single doctor I talk with about this in Boston tells me horrible negative things about Obamacare. Every doctor I have met tells me they voted Republican.

Gay marriage is disgusting and more a symptom of our decline than a real cause, but the fact that Democrats embrace fag marriage so much shows just how pathetic and soulless most of them are.

Finally Obama has done far more harm to the country than just these things you've mentioned, such as the continuing QE and bailout of wall street. Although the Republicans aren't much better at least they have men in their parties willing to talk about these things whereas the democrats support money-printing.

Regardless it wasn't regan who fucked over the country, it was labor unions in the 70's that pretty much crushed all competition and prevented growth until Reagan killed them all. The American economy revived under Reagan there's no disputing this unless your brainwashing is too strong. Go look at the stats, Reagan put in Volcker who raised interest rates, killed inflation, and created a strong foundation to the American economy that lasted for decades.