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(11-30-2016 09:37 PM)swadeshi Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 03:04 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:48 AM)swadeshi Wrote:  

Here's my 2 centavos. I've been living in DF for 3 months now as an exchange student at UNAM. And it was very interesting for me to read the other people's opinion on the place and the women, and yea I for the most part agree with what's been said

1. Only 10% of women are proper hot, with good bodies and faces (they can be of any shade). Another 10%, and that's where I seem to end up a lot, seem cute and bangable until you undress them and turns out they have kind of a strange body that doesn't do much for me. It's often hard to tell well before seeing them naked because they tend to cover up and dress conservatively. By the way, these percentages are the same even in younger circles, like university where I only see about 10-15% good material provided they are all between 18-23 age, and I'm in my thirties and I like latinas a lot. I'm hoping the North is better as you, guys, say, I'll be going there in December and January.

2. Online Dating (and I havent even tried Tinder yet), my experience so far is okc and pof and a bit of badoo but for some reason my profile keeps getting blocked on that last one and I don't get it why. Provided that Mexico City is the third largest city in the world it is astounding how few women are there on online dating sites. It really isn't a thing here. Nonetheless, from the few there are the response rates are extremely high. Mexican women are generally very curious about foreigners, but here's the trick (and I think it can be said about all Latin America) curiosity doesn't necessarily translate into that they wanna bang you. Many are naive and used to the whole friendship, beta-orbiter narrative and when you try to flirt with them and act more direct with them they freeze up in shock. Even the few who do online dating don't get how it works, and are quite conservative sexually, even if they kiss on first date they still won't be open to bed down until more meetings have happened, same goes if you met them in real life, though. Unlike colombianas, mexicanas are way behind in the sexual liberation front, they also dress more boringly, less revealing, hell I'm still looking for one who likes wearing thongs. The quality online is quite low but then again so is the general quality outside, and the few ok-looking ones are willing to meet easily but the problem is I don't like wasting my time on lame dates so I like to vet my dates before I meet them by chatting to them and trying to see their vibe. which is where I find out that, just like anywhere else, most are pretty dull, boring, or overly capricious so I end up not meeting most if I sense they'd just waste my precious time and money. Maybe the problem with me is that I speak perfect Spanish so when chatting to them on Whatsapp they forget or don;t feel the foreignness of me as much. It's quite common they'll be chatty one moment and suddenly become untalkative the next for no apparent reason. If, however, you aren't like me and you just wanna go out and meet someone coz you are bored they are generally willing to meet without problem, as long as it's the weekend, they always work and and until very late, too. during the week they have no lives whatsoever. And since DF is huge and she probably lives on the other end of the city, logistics are just too hard to meet midweek. Nonetheless, I use online when it's quiet and there aren't upcoming parties.

3. The top 10% of women in their vast majority from what I see on the street tend to be already claimed by some Mexican dude. True I haven't been to Polanco, I'm on a budget, unlike everyone else here it seems, haha, and for me if I have to go out and spend the same as I would in Toronto then what's the point of being in Mexico. Plus I imagine the top quality ones aren't that friendly either as they also have the most options. They'll surely be more curious and friendlier than northamerican women but if she is of money she will expect to meet someone with money, too. Hell, actually most of them here seem to have very busy careers so they probably expect to be wined and dined by someone of a similar situation. The rest will be quite happy just to be with a foreigner, even if he ain't rich, and that's where Mexico shines they have the best personalities ever. Once a Mexican woman sleeps with you she is basically in love and will wash you, cook for you, massage you, treat you like royalty, the problem is while all that makes me feel great and comfy and even bad for not being able to respond to them the same way. It's just that I'm picky about body shape and so far I have been mostly disappointed. Somehow I ended up with a harem that I didn't wanna hang out with, so I had to hide and be kind of a jerk and ignore them. Yet at the same time, I'm still frustrated because the highest quality escapes me for the moment, haha, that's the weirdness of Mexico.

4. as for day game, that's where I'd like some advice or if anyone is willing to meetup and explore the field I'll be happy to join. I see people talking about day game here but I personally don't see any cute chicks just hanging about on the street doing nothing, occasionally you see one or other who is rushing somewhere opposite direction. Maybe it's because I don't drink coffee and don't hang out at coffeeshops. I suppose that's the hunting ground?

The adderall's kicking in, I'll bite.

Being honest here your post reads of a defeatist mentality already. I'll break down a few things for you as I went through the ringers just like you. I took the liberty of rating your points 1-4.

1. I sort of had this same problem when I first arrived, but it was more so in pictures being hard to discern body type. One of the reasons I gave up on online dating. Bitches would look slim or curvy only to be slop buckets. This should have been reason enough here to drop online game all together. Nothing you can do, all us players get duped every now and then. North mex definitely has better bodies, taller women, more curves. One of the curviest women I fucked in DF was from Durango. Bitch had a body like a stripper and walking around Condechi with her I felt like a pimp. She loved showing her assets off unlike most DF fresas who want to be coke head skinny with tits.

2. Again, online game is wack as fuck especially if you've been there for a while. Yes it's a pivotal tool when you're going to a new place to pipeline, but that's it. I'm telling you now, that the hottest single girls in DF are not on those sites/apps. Who you will get is Gabriella who is a 5-6, bored. She gets 1000 matches a week and mexican niggas from Coyoacan all the way to damn near Queretaro hitting her up promising her drinks in polanco, dinner in Santa Fe etc etc. You just another nigga in her pool of niggas feeding her thirst. So what you're a gringo, she got plenty of them in there too fool. Even more so because DF has shit ton of tourist looking to score for the weekend so they swipe on her basic ass. Leave that shit alone.

You think it's your spanish fucking you up or could it be that your game is just weak? You have to realize that the gringo card will only get you so far. The novelty wears off quick anywhere. Reflect on when the convos begin to die down and locate the commonality. Are you not pushing for meet up fast enough, are you pushing too fast for meet up, or maybe your text game drier than Oprah's snatch? You have to realize that most of those online bitches go ghost and flake because they never had any intentions on meeting up, they're bored and you're their entertainment. That excuse of busy during the week is just an excuse. I have had girls meet me at 6:30 A.M. at my flat on a Monday before their exams, had chicks meet me on their lunch breaks, had chicks spend 2 hours in traffic to meet me for dinner on a Wednesday. Sounds to me like you aren't seducing them enough so they put you in that back burner category.

3. Bruh what in the fucking world are you talking about? How do you know the top 10% of bitches are already claimed if you don't even fucking approach them to begin with. This is why I labeled you as having a defeatist mentality. I'll tell you right now, that those 10% of chicks aren't getting approached and many of them are single. Just your brain pumping fear into you saying "she's probably already taken." Noooo just you being afraid to move out of your comfort zone and approach. You speak on a lot of shit based on assumptions. The 7s+ have been nicer to me than the 5-6s I used to stop in the street. Even then I still don't consider them rude compared to what I dealt with stateside. Again defeatist mentality shining brighter than Hillary's fake ass teeth.

Your harem is shit, because you chose shit, and you take it out on them for your own short comings. I can count on one hand the number of women I took out and was embarrassed to be seen with. Probably 2, one catfished me at a bar, so I got a few shots of her fresa gordita ass and left. Again start approaching the women you want and you wouldn't have this problem. Mexico isn't the weird one. You are. Your gringo card will only get you at the front door with the 7s, develop game and style to cover you the rest of the way. Why would an 8 want some boring ass gringo nigga when she can get my boy Ricardo who lifts, shops in Santa fe, has money and is from the same background. It's common sense you'll need game.

4. You don't see cute chicks, but just wrote two paragraphs explaining how you see the top 10% and they are probably rude and in a relationship? I'll tell you the same thing i tell every guy who hits me up asking for advice. If you don't' feel like walking around one of the money neighborhoods, just go to fucking starbucks and sit down. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Open them up with Hey what's that and from there just be normal. I'm not smooth with my openers as most mexicanas don't get my rude asshole sarcasm initially. I literally just plop a seat, order a cup of fucking water and open the nearest bitch next to me after i'm done watching youtube and pirating music. Not feeling cafes? Cool, go to the art museums, hell walk around the mall on any given day of the week and approach employees. Those bitches arent' doing shit, but checking facebook and IG for the next Soy Tu Fan meme. Not feeling any of that, game at the grocery store. That shit's easy: Hey what's this say in english, hey you know how to cook tamales, hey you like Frosted flakes or Cheerios? Don't rely on other forum members to carry you that extra distance. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps, go read some of Giovonny's approach post, take a shit, wash your face and hit the ground running like the man you know you can be.

At the end of the day, your attitude has defeated you way more than any 10% fresa has.

All the disadvantages in this world stems from a person’s lack of ability. Fix yours!

-CD

I enjoy a bit of a constructive criticism as much as the next guy, but I feel I ought to make a few clarifications here.

If anything, in my post I was actually largely agreeing with what had been posted about Mexico (hell, another member said he found only 5% of the women atractive) while also adding my own bit of experience to the pot. Let's not forget noone holds the absolute truth. Is online dating kind of lame here? Yea, sure, we all agree on that, but it's mostly lame due to the low number of women here, and yea there aren't any stunners online but more or less that reflects what I see on the street, and yea, on the streets occasionally you see the stunners. Nonetheless, as I mentioned, online has its advantage for someone who is new here, doesn;t have a rich social network, and/or inexperienced with daygame. Those things applied to me and surely to a lot of the newcomers over here. Also, you seem to have misunderstood the point I was making about chatting to women, it ain't my game that's dry over whatsapp, just the opposite, I purposefully engage women in playful, flirty conversation to check out their vibe and weed out all the attention whores, prudes, naives, bores, etc, who are just curious to be taken out and wined and dined by a foreigner while treating it like a job interview or friendly hang out and not a date. And trust me, this system I have developed over years of online interractions and it works quite well for me. And by the way, I don't get any women flaking on me here, it might be that your online game needs tuning, brah For me the problem is quite the opposite, the response rate is really high here, the highest of any other country I've been to, and they seem to be pretty willing to meet, only not always for right the reasons, which is why I have to weed the timewasters out, otherwise I would be just having a lot of useless dates that go nowhere.

As for the midweek excuses, as you call them, with all due respect they aren't excuses..Are we somehow living in two different Mexico Cities? Coz the one I know the people are quite enslave by their jobs and spend long hours jammed in traffic, and I'm not talking about the random online hoes, but about most Mexicans that I know, including my flatmates. And yea, occasionally, some or other girl will meet you mid-week and spend hours in traffic to meet you, but let's not make it look like that's the usual thing here. And as I mentioned in my post, of course, once you bang them things are different, I've had one of my girls take days off her work to be with me, they'll do anything for you, they'll scrub you clean from head to toe if you ask them to, noone treats you as good as a Mexican(and some other Latin) woman. But before you bang them they aren't necessarily that accomodating, and like all women do like to play their own game.

And it's not that I'm embarassed to walk down the street with the girls I got here, haha, come on, they look fine, they aren't models but they are cute. I was disappointed by some body imperfections on seeing them naked, that I couldn't have seen while they were dressed, also they are on the general more conservative here and don't hold a candle to brazilian or colombian women with whom in my experience I've felt much better sexual chemistry.

Now, where I give you due credit is the fact that yea I have no experience is daygaming, and I take my hat off to you since you seem to have it on lock, and I will do some reading from the thread you recommended.And while, I'm quite extrovert in any social event or party and no problem getting numbers at those, I seem to have some inner block which prevents me from approaching cold some stranger on a street or coffeeshop, or a mall. Yea, you're right that's where I would have to work on trying it, maybe it will never be my thing, different dudes excel in different settings, but at least I ought to try. I would have preferred to have some wingman because once someone else gives me a push of encouragement I'm not shy about putting myself in new situations. But without external encouragement, damn right I can be one lazy slob.

Once again, thanx for the feedback, brah, I'm looking forward to checking out the Northern parts of Mexico but since I will be there as a tourist I'm gonna have to try and pipeline and see how much love I get. Will report.

^^ All great points.

I just wanted to add some thoughts as well since I'm on this thread, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way but I have a feeling of what you're doing wrong.

You may be coming off as the "study abroad, culturally interested guy" which (esp the hottest) Mexican chicks have a tendency to friend zone and lump you in the same category as their Mexican beta friends, leaving you for the bottom of the barrel gringo groupies on Tinder.

I would ditch your dorky university compadres and get a new higher value status social circle and frankly, avoid telling girls you're studying abroad as it implies 4 bad things 1. you're (possibly very) young 2. you have little money 3. You're not staying permanently (Possibly) 4. You don't have your own apartment and you're either staying at a homestay or in a dorm. All this damage in one sentence!

You need to switch it up and be the "mysterious business guy who might be loaded and has cool social circle" whether you're broke or not or have social circle or not, doesn't really matter these girls aren't the brightest. Girls want a foreigner but a high status foreigner, its not all that different from Thailand or Phillipines, where you see older guys sometimes doing better than younger for this reason. Maybe a lot of those older dudes have less money than you but they are still smart enough to play the part.

I remember when those Tinder chicks were flaky with me, I was speaking to them in Spanish and not pushing for Whatsapp within 3 message and the date within 6 or 7 messages. Now I can get these girls in an uber within a few lines.

Dress nicer. Insinuate you want to take them out to dinner or drinks even if you don't actually do it in the end, its very easy to pivot out, done it many times. Mention fancy restaurants and malls or whatever you visited. I know it sounds lame if you're coming from the first world background but I swear this shit works.

A couple years ago when I was more backpackeryish I made ALLL the classic Mistakes in Mexico, I was always eager to show off my Spanish (BIG mistake, especially in onlinegame ), I dressed in shorts and t shirt most days (mistake), I told them I move around constantly in Mexico (mistake) and frankly I didn't either throw lots of subtle hints for girls to find that I was wealthy and high value (very key point for lat am dating).

I'm not in DF until next year but maybe some of the guys on this forum might be able to take you out around high value foreigners and rich Mexicans that have solid game and style and you can observe them to calibrate yourself. No shame in that, its what I did. See what works for others and it will work for you.

And get a better backstory for those chicks at starbucks that hopefully you'll start daygaming next week. I have daygame paralysis too, coverdocs advice is solid, just camp out at starbucks and the conversation will naturally start flowing, you'll see!