Quote: (03-09-2017 06:44 AM)Mercenary Wrote:
Quote: (03-09-2017 05:11 AM)btz Wrote:
Quote: (03-09-2017 12:20 AM)Mercenary Wrote:
False and misleading advice.
Not one man, among the tens of thousands that has done NoFap (and has spoken about it) has reported hair loss.
In fact, the opppsite is true. Many report hair regrowth after years of hair loss.
If you want the benefits stay away from all medication.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/search?q=...r=on&t=all
some lose it, then it grows back, others have suffered permanent hairloss that continues to decline even after 2 years of 0 ejaculations.
Chinese nofap forum has an entire section dedicated to it:
http://www.jiese.org/bbs/forum-56-1.html
1st, that last link is to a website written in Chinese. 90% of guys here won't be able to read it and verify if its content sounds legit or not. Do you speak Chinese btz ? Also, the fact it's from China is already a bad sign. The internet and message boards in China are fully monitored and censored by the authorities so even if it did sound legit I still would not trust it. But this brings me to an interesting point. Porn is illegal in China and they have both a very productive workforce and a high birth rate, so they are definetely masturbating a lot less than us.
2nd, the reddit link you posted links to various threads....many of which are started by a "trollish" type first posts and then loads of dudes piling in contradicting OP and saying nothing negative in regard to hair loss when doing NoFap. Meaning the overall consensus of trusted men doing this is still the same. There are zero negatives to NoFap except getting through the flatline stage.
3rd, the various medical and governmental links you posted on the benefits regarding medication. Yeah, they are legit, I will give you that. But these are the same "official" sources telling you things like vaccines have no harmful side effects on babies and climate change is real. More importantly, the pharamceutical industry has been pushing medications for decades to produce postive results in your own body that you can produce yourself without taking anything.....it just takes longer. You can take pills to lose weight or you can be a man and work at it for months. I did it the hard way. Big pharma wants you hooked on that stuff like a drug pusher. But I assure you, most addictions and small mental/physical problems can be overcome without medication. This is why the placebo effect is real, documented and actually quite common.
4th, and most importantly. You have been on the forum for 2 years and have only 39 posts to your name. Yet, I notice you have a long history of endorsing various online pharamacies, defending medical procedures such as plastic surgery for men, and generally talking very often about various niche medications which you seem to know a lot about (including exact dosage and the exact price which you always remember to include in your posts). Do you work in that industry ?
My advice to men reading this post remains the same. Real inner healing takes both time and work on yourself improving both your lifestyle and habits. Using medication for shortcuts just shifts your addictions and does not bring lasting change.
Most important of all....trust what thousands of other REAL men are experiencing and talking about....not what the government and medical establishment is telling you. Their track record in giving information which is beneficial to men's health is abysmal and I will never trust them again.
1. I've lived in china and can read enough to make sense, that + google translate for anything I don't understand is enough for me to get a grip on what's being said. As for Chinese productivity, lol as an entire country yes but they also have 4 times as many people. Break down that productivity to per worker and it plummets, China has a certain way of doing things and while it can look good on paper the real world results are very different. You can checkout that documentary on Walmart's struggles in China to get a better idea. As for censorship, you seem to be a little paranoid that the government would care what a bunch of people avoiding masturbation are doing, they don't give a fuck, you could sell organs if you wanted to as long as you don't question gov. policy they don't care. As for accessing porn, everyone in China knows how to get around the firewall with a VPN. You can buy a ready to go VPN stick with a month worth of service for about $2. With some sites you don't even need it.
2. I never said there were any negatives to nofap, I just think a more effective option is going with glycine and fapping and having sex anyways. Like I said the effects aren't due to fapping or porn but ejaculation. If you get 3 fwbs and have sex 3 or more times a week all of the benefits of nofap will be gone because you're ejaculating again. It's not an either or option, there is no reason why you can't take glycine + do nofap or hell just eat more chicken skin, bacon, or egg whites, those foods have tons of glycine in them.
3. Proviron was just used as an example to show how the effects of nofap are due to DHT because it's synthetic DHT and the effects of proviron and nofap are exactly the same, read nofap forums, then read steroid forums, and you won't be able to tell the differences in reports of mood, confidence, social anxiety, happiness, etc between the two. One doesn't need to take proviron, they can just focus on upregulation via glycine or nofap.
4. No I don't work in that industry I just bothered to do a little research, i've never created a thread about any supplements just offered my insight when people asked about NAC, modafnil and nootropics. As for cosmetic surgeries yea I don't see anything wrong with that if somebody feels it will help them feel better. The 2 examples I gave in that thread were for a guy who had an over/underbite which is as much health related as it is cosmetic related and my dad who had PRP injections done for hair growth which is a good alternative to a hair transplant. If you're thinking I'm shilling for big pharma or surgeons/supplement companies then I'm doing a pretty shitty job at it with 4 out of 39 posts in 2 years regarding anything to health.
As for your comment for guys looking to improve themselves, I agree, there are no magic pills but neglecting perfectly safe, cheap, and proven supplements to reach your goals faster is a little bit like going to the gym and not taking protein or creatine. Sure you can do it 100% naturally but if you have the option of speeding things up why not do it?