Posts: 1,141
Threads: 0
Joined: May 2013
Reputation:
28
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 09:51 AM
True, but who are they going to run? The Democrat party has been isolating strong, white-male leadership for years now. It's why their most liberal man is an aging septuagenarian, a remnant of the Soviet-era, who looks like he's about to fall over and break a hip at any given moment. And HRC is an old-guard Democrat too--not new blood.
Look at the Republican debates over the last 8 months or so. There were a number of young men competing for the nomination. While I abhorred most of them, at least they were charismatic and could presumably be President. What younger, white males in Congress will get a future Democratic nomination?
I realize I'm specifically saying 'White', and while Obama was "black" there are still few black, if any, young black men in Congress. There are currently only 2 black senators out of 100: Tim Scott and Cory Booker. The latter is definitely not far-left and is more of the traditional Democratic crowd.
The Democrats have been haranguing masculine, white males for years. The chickens will come home to roost.
Edit: Re-reading the OP the emphasis is not necessarily on elections, but ideology. That said, in order to implement an ideology someone has to be elected. Sanders is doing quite well yes, but much of that enthusiasm comes from an anti-establishment though process, plus the hatred of HRC. Many traditional liberals/Democrats will not get behind a man like Sanders--he is too far left for them.
Also, if identity politics get even stronger, each faction of the Democratic party (women, blacks, LGBT, Hispanics) may get behind their own candidate, and fail to unify behind a single candidate. I read an article today from the Weekly Standard *GASP* saying that 33% of Sanders supporters wont support HRC. I believe it. I've talked to these people. Republicans are naturally more cohesive, despite what's going on in this primary. The desire to stop HRC will supersede petty bickering.
Posts: 101
Threads: 0
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
1
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 11:03 AM
Hopefully the Democrat Party wont have a future.
Posts: 419
Threads: 0
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation:
6
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 11:23 AM
What is this defeatism? This is for Avarence. The God Emperor Trump has created a movement that can't be stopped. It's literally a regime change that'll happen. You're finally turning to the sane side of things. Also, white people are waking up. Very well evidenced by the crowds with Trump. The change won't happen overnight, but it's taking vague and nebulous shape.
Posts: 652
Threads: 0
Joined: May 2014
Reputation:
4
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 12:43 PM
I'm seeing more and more growing resentment amongst Bernie supporters for HRC. In January leading up to Iowa, it was an estimated 20 percent of Bernie supporters were #NeverHillary, now March/April some estimates show the number to be above 30 percent. HRC has had to pander hard to SJWs and rumor has it that her original likely plan to pick Julian Castro for VP to stem inroads made with hispanics by Cruz/Rubio/Jeb has changed - she's going to have to put Sanders or (insert far left person with SJW cachet here) on the ticket. Castro is too mainstream Democrat, she needs a far left progressive type to give her campaign energy and momentum. Something tells me there's going to be record low turn-out all around in this election.
Posts: 3,228
Threads: 0
Joined: Apr 2014
Reputation:
24
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 12:51 PM
I think all 18yr olds should be required to intern in road repair crews for 2 years before being eligible to going to college.
Free labour for road maintenance, and they learn what it's like to actually work hard.
"A stripper last night brought up "Rich Dad Poor Dad" when I mentioned, "Think and Grow Rich""
Posts: 2,474
Threads: 0
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation:
42
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 12:53 PM
Even if Sanders doesn't win the nomination we will be seeing more candidates like him in the next few decades as the millennials today start taking positions of power. It's just pure demographics, more and more people from this generation and younger are buying more into socialistic policies and they're pretty much already sold on progressive when it comes to social issues. There's lots of doom and gloom these days and I'd hate to be another negative Nancy but unless there's a hard turn in the attitudes of young people and teens today I think Bernie's campaign failing is only going to be a temporary setback. There will be more like him and they're going to eventually start winning if just purely due to demographic change.
Posts: 392
Threads: 0
Joined: Jun 2015
Reputation:
1
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 01:12 PM
If Trump does not win this election, a conservative man will never again be elected president in this country. Sadly, even if Trump does get elected, it might not even make a difference. We millennials are probably the first generation to have been indoctrinated by leftist propaganda from every angle: the media, religion, education, etc. It's even worse for the generation after us.
Posts: 2,515
Threads: 0
Joined: Dec 2014
Reputation:
45
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 02:58 PM
The reason why there are young liberals is because the young are more likely to be liberal and idealistic. When cold hard reality hits, they have to work for everything and people grow then they generally become Republican.
That's why the saying goes
"If you aren't a liberal while young, you don't have a heart. If you aren't a middle-aged conservative, you don't have a head"
Or something like that. These same hardcore Bernie supporters will be on the opposite end by the next election.
Posts: 6,695
Threads: 0
Joined: Mar 2011
Reputation:
146
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 04:26 PM
I've been trailing this topic on the media for a while now too.
America has been growing apart for decades. American values aren't what it used to be, and the left hasn't been further from the right in 50 years. We're already in the middle of a civil war on the streets and on social media. It's the non-confrontational, suburban populations and silent majorities that are now starting to wake up and get involved. We disagree on too many important issues. Shit is getting heated. People are angry.
That anger is going to be unleashed at some point soon. It might be Cleveland at the RNC, or it could be a year or so out... but I envision a lot of extreme violence to come from our own against our own and it's not going to be good. Another democratic president of any form (whether it be Clinton, Bernie, or anyone else) would signify a complete disaster for our country and I mean that in the most sincere way. We've got to reign in the degenerates and extreme leftists. Rob them of every platform and voice. Defeat them on every front. America won't recover if we don't clean our own house... and that's notwithstanding the looming Muslim threat abroad. We need to unify now more than ever.
Vice-Captain - #TeamWaitAndSee
Posts: 3,090
Threads: 0
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation:
93
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 04:51 PM
I love how Bernie Sanders is forcing HRC to swing hard left when the Clinton success model was to campaign to the left and swing to the moderate middle for victory - that model has been shattered.
Bernie is a communist at heart and now calls himself a Dane style democratic socialist - almost as Oxymoronic as a compassionate serial murderer.
Obama raised Federal Income Taxes from 25% under GW to 38.5% plus a 3% surcharge for 41.5% plus an average 16% Obamacare tax and 16% social security and 6% medicare surcharge - and - now Bernie wants to raise the Federal Income Tax to a typical socialist confiscatory 58.5%... Obama drastically increased regulations to solve Global Warming and save the Earth for Islam and ISIS ...
The result under Obama has been a mass acceleration of offshoring of not only US Manufacturing, Pharmaceuticals, Medical Tourism Care and now services companies to much more friendly and cost effective business jurisdictions.
Now imagine the results from Feeling the BERN.
Do the math:
What does the following add up to?
58% plus 3% plus 16% plus 6% plus 16% plus 3% AMT = 102% Federal Tax bueden on Employers
Now tack on State, County, City, Town taxes; Workmen's Comp, Unemployment Insurance, State or City sales taxes and Income Taxes, Property Taxes, taxes on fuel, electricity, phones and cable...
You are pushing 150% taxes yet the Doe eyed Bernie gimme freebies lovers have a rational disconnect between the free money for everyone Bernie rhetoric and the reality of what will happen to the USA when the Berners implement their plans to Bern the last vestiges of US Small Businesses... if you tax over 100% of incomes there are NO profits to live on. Berners will all be moving back into their Mommies and Daddies basements or attics as there will be NO free market jobs created and only SJW government make work programs.
By contrast Trump's tax on ALL business from free lancers to multinationals will be a flat 15% and will cause a literal renaissance in USA jobs creation as the USA becomes one of the most Business Friendly places on the planet when Trump radically reduces the onerous Climate Change regulatory burden foisted on the USA by the America hating Obamunists.
If Bernie Mugabe loving socialists were to succeed the USA would become New Zimbabwe.
Liberal Idealists have a very severe time coping with reality.
Posts: 1,769
Threads: 0
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation:
29
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 04:56 PM
I have long expected that the next Democrat move would be another Obama, but this time a Hispanic version. Speaking Spanish on the campaign trail and spreading the same empty rhetoric of "hope" that Obama spread.
I don't know anyone specifically that fits this description, but I am sure there are a few of them out there that will be ready by 2020 or 2024.
Posts: 4,212
Threads: 0
Joined: Sep 2013
Reputation:
85
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-01-2016, 06:02 PM
It's a realigning election. We're overdue, so it's going to get heated.
My opinion is that the new GOP will be a party animated by the spirits of Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt. Their focus will be on an "American folk" nationalism that is skeptical of both big government and crony capitalism. Questions over taxation and regulation won't be axiomatic but rather if they make sense. The Democrats will be animated by the ghosts of Franklin Roosevelt and William Jennings Bryan. They'll focus questions of, to them, economic fairness economics and disproportionate racial outcomes of certain policies.
I have a feeling that both the religious right and religious left - SJW's will be expelled from their respective parties at some point. We're sort of seeing the beginnings of that now on the right.
But maybe that's too optimistic.
Posts: 10,543
Threads: 0
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
201
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-02-2016, 03:37 AM
I think a lot of people here are putting the cart before the horse.
"If Trump fails then etc etc etc", or, "if Hillary wins then etc etc etc."
The fact of the matter is that Trump didn't create a political movement. He just put a circle around it and gave it a democratic vehicle.
The idea that if Trump loses then his supporters are simply going to go home for 8 years or indeed forever is crazy talk. This movement of centrist nationalism is building, with or without a voting booth.
The other claim that if Trump loses this election that America will simply become a brown nation now and forever is also short-sighted. It's born of the notion that the USA will outlast the very sun that warms our planet, an assumption that survives no serious scrutiny.
The flyover states are very white and they will not go quietly into the night simply because Washington DC holds a knife to the throat of the beloved union. If the east and west coast were jettisoned then White-Republican America would have a rough trot for a few decades, but Black/Brown-Democrat America would utterly implode in short order.
The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
Posts: 1,930
Threads: 0
Joined: May 2012
Reputation:
50
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-03-2016, 10:01 PM
An elderly loser and his band of degenerates.
Sanders accomplished jack shit as a senator for what, 23 years?
He only has 300k net worth and he gets paid 150k a year to lecture people like me about how white people don't know what it's like to be poor.
I cannot believe there are actual voters out there willing to put this guy in charge. He can't even balance his own checkbook and they want to give this communist half (or more) of their paychecks?
There's an infographic around here about who spends the most on votes. Trump spends the least and Bernie spends, unsurprisingly, the most by a fairly large margin. Who knew, socialists are terrible at managing money.
“I have a very simple rule when it comes to management: hire the best people from your competitors, pay them more than they were earning, and give them bonuses and incentives based on their performance. That’s how you build a first-class operation.”
― Donald J. Trump
If you want some PDF's on bodyweight exercise with little to no equipment, send me a PM and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Posts: 11
Threads: 0
Joined: Sep 2015
Bernie has already won the future of the Democratic Party
04-04-2016, 11:31 AM
In the USA money talks far too loud. Again. One of the USA's two political parties is going to have to either elevate the vote's voice or diminish money's.