Quote: (03-19-2015 01:09 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

There's a point where you have accept that this is society and that women go to things that aren't necessarily optimal for them. There's also a point where you have to understand these guys are running a business and they can't have some "alpha" harassing the customers to make some kind of point.

This, I've trained in martial arts schools that had large female populations and it was simply understood that we put up with them because their dues paid the bills. Free advice if you're going to troll women do it on the internet, or away from your social circle. Unless your social circle was like the last martial arts school I trained at, in which case every New Years you get to hang out the window of your coaches loft mooing at the drunk, fat bitches stumbling down main street in their high heels.

Quote: (03-19-2015 03:53 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

You simply can't do this sort of thing in today's environment: mock sexual touching, suggestive statements, or oafish jokes. These women are just waiting for you to do something like this, so they can have the satisfaction of running you out.

You can't do these things with women who are complete strangers.

You can do these things with women with whom you have built rapport with. You can say almost anything to a women with whom you have built some rapport.

I have seen guys say things like "Show us your tits." and the girl lights up because she loved the attention.

Quote: (03-19-2015 02:05 PM)Dark Knowledge Wrote:  

Exactly this. I hate going with women for this reason. There was a brown belt who gave me attitude once because she thought I was going easy on her. The next time we went up vs. eachother I gave her the rough treatment and pretty much destroyed her. Since then she avoids me like the plague. Doesn't even make eye contact when we shake hands after class.

Same thing happened to a friend I used to train with. I was coaching them when she literally told him to, "fight me like you'd fight him." I made no bones about it and told her she didn't want that and told him not to do it. He black knighted up and dropped her like a sack of potatoes with a round house kick to the liver. When she managed to get back off the mat she actually had the ovaries to be upset with him. I laughed and told her, "you got what you asked for."

Great example of over-gaming.

This thread is mistitled. You got yourself kicked out. Did you go to class to learn or to dick around? What you were doing was very disrespectful. Be thankful the instructor wasn't like I was. I wouldn't have kicked you out, I would have my enforcer give you a controlled beating. That said, the instructor is partially to blame for having you spar with a female that wasn't capable of handling it. What was the gender ratio in class?

Quote: (03-19-2015 01:14 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

It's worse than monumentally bad game.

I hate to say this but I would clamp down on this kind of shit from one of my martial arts students if he behaved this way.

Mostly cause it could cost me a lot of £££.

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

Quote: (03-19-2015 06:14 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

I agree with you on this long term value, but that's not really the point. It was like the above poster said, the OP got himself kicked out.

In an open gym membership trying to game some of the women is one thing, but in a controlled martial arts class where discipline is one of the chief components, even horsing around with other men is bad. Some people are training to get on amateur cards, spar in tournaments, or have their MA be applicable to them in some way take this class very seriously. This isn't independent weight training or conditioning.


This isn't a "white knight" thing, this is a "why are you screwing around in martial arts class" thing.


Besides......Didn't the OP say these chicks were 5s? Why would he even waste the time to mess around with these women if he was getting something productive out of the class? And that's the sort of playful game we'd run in high school too, but I guess that's besides the point......



Last thing....I hate to be pretentious but if the environment is inviting enough to attract 50% women to your class you might want to step up the intensity of your training in some way in the first place.

Quote: (03-19-2015 01:19 PM)Renzy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2015 12:59 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Slightly related: I've always found girls in Brazilian jiu jitsu class to be really annoying.

They like to subtly pit guys against each other and attention whore, and they create all sorts of fucking drama that distracts from the purpose of being in the class in the first place.

And all but the best female grapplers get destroyed by dudes whom they significantly outrank.

BJJ girls are some of the only students I see who show up for the entire class and still manage to avoid breaking a sweat. Mostly they sit around (in their pink gis) and chit-chat. I actively avoid rolling with them. They get mad if it's obvious you're going easy on them but they also get mad if you roll with them like they were a guy because then they think you're being too rough.

I did have one girl in the BJJ class I took for a bit that was legit. Not a killer, just a white belt, but had been going for a year and was the instructor's girlfriend, and took it seriously.

She omoplata'd me.

Ugh this thread isn't going in the direction I hoped for.

Where are the 50 white knights?!

Lesson learned.

Don't shit where you eat.

I rarely talk to anyone in my bjj class. I'm there to learn, not to make jokes and flirt with woman.

No! Show up an beat his ass.

Quote: (03-19-2015 12:31 PM)Latan Wrote:  

Be honest, tell me what you think.
Did I cross the line?

Yes, you crossed the line with those jokes.

But your instructor is an idiot due to his comments about women being equal to men.

Men and women should have different spheres. Women and men should not try together.

Women and men should socialize together, but I'm encouraging men to increasingly do so on their own turf, so that they can decide who stays and who goes. Women find it easy to be offended when on their own turf. For example, one honoured forum member ended up getting attacked by 30 whiteknights because of some bitch.

In public and in private business areas (Krav Maga classroom) that earn money from females and whiteknight bitches, political correctness rules the day and these are very much women's turf.

Your own residence and El Mech's autobody shop are some of the few example of "male" turf.

Use this to your advantage, avoid martial art classes with fat women and game the hell out of women on the street or in clubs.

Who cares where the line is when you are dealing with women that you never have to see again -- and who never have to see you again either? But avoid any talk about domination and male-female roles at work or in environments where it is going to hurt you. Right or wrong, just save yourself the trouble.

Quote: (03-19-2015 04:07 PM)Medic42 Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2015 02:05 PM)Dark Knowledge Wrote:  

Exactly this. I hate going with women for this reason. There was a brown belt who gave me attitude once because she thought I was going easy on her. The next time we went up vs. eachother I gave her the rough treatment and pretty much destroyed her. Since then she avoids me like the plague. Doesn't even make eye contact when we shake hands after class.

Same thing happened to a friend I used to train with. I was coaching them when she literally told him to, "fight me like you'd fight him." I made no bones about it and told her she didn't want that and told him not to do it. He black knighted up and dropped her like a sack of potatoes with a round house kick to the liver. When she managed to get back off the mat she actually had the ovaries to be upset with him. I laughed and told her, "you got what you asked for."

Hence why I maintain that Ronda Rousey's remark about how she would beat any male in her weightclass is either world-class trolling or next-level delusion.

Just watch her grappling with Gerard Mousassi on youtube, he completely outclasses her without even trying while she's huffing and puffing all over the place.

Women who enter traditionally male spaces are so coddled and protected from real competition that they actually start to believe they can compete with men on the same level.

But when the rubber meets the road they get smashed brutally.

Even Cyborg, whom I've met (nice gal), who has the bone structure of a Mongolian cattle herder, would be ground into hamburger by a guy her size and experience level.

In my experience i do not train with women in any capacity.
Like others have said in previous posts you gain absolutely nothing from them. It will always be a lose/lose result if she tries to goad you into putting full force into a strike.

You shouldn't be trying to fuck them nor should you humor them letting them think they can stand a chance against you.
When I'm in the dojo i only socialize with the men and young men, i'm polite if females speak to me and i decline their offers to train together.
If they go out of their way to ask for assistance then i instruct them on the proper technique and let it end there.

In just over 20 years of training i've never had an issue with a female within the dojo, i believe these guidelines can help you in the next place you train at.

Quote: (03-19-2015 06:14 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2015 01:14 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

It's worse than monumentally bad game.

I hate to say this but I would clamp down on this kind of shit from one of my martial arts students if he behaved this way.

Mostly cause it could cost me a lot of £££.

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

I don't mean to be rude but I suspect I know more about running a profitable leisure business than you. (I could, of course, be wrong).

There is nothing to suggest that the OP is a core member of anything; plus, would you really stop doing an activity because some other dude did something really stupid and was asked to leave? That's the kind of shit women do.

Krav Maga is the new Karate; hyper commercial. The instructor was protecting his business.

You may not like or agree with it, but as things stand those girls had as much right to be taking and paying for that class as the guys present. As a result there are certain expectations that any customer would have; one of which is not to be repeatedly subjected to the nonsense the OP got up to.

I'm not white knighting here...when people pay for something they expect certain levels of customer care and oversight from those leading the activity; the topic, in this case Krav, is irrelevant.

"Changing room talk" as I call it, can wreck a martial arts or sports club in five minutes, and it's much more prevalent in the girls' locker room than men's.

I've seen it happen when an instructor fucks a student (a sacking offence in my network) particularly. Suddenly half your female students just vanish taking their £1000s pcm with them.

Oddly, female students spend way, way more money than male ones and tend to stick at it longer.

Quote: (03-19-2015 08:48 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2015 12:31 PM)Latan Wrote:  

Be honest, tell me what you think.
Did I cross the line?

Yes, you crossed the line with those jokes.

But your instructor is an idiot due to his comments about women being equal to men.

Men and women should have different spheres. Women and men should not try together.

Women and men should socialize together, but I'm encouraging men to increasingly do so on their own turf, so that they can decide who stays and who goes. Women find it easy to be offended when on their own turf. For example, one honoured forum member ended up getting attacked by 30 whiteknights because of some bitch.

In public and in private business areas (Krav Maga classroom) that earn money from females and whiteknight bitches, political correctness rules the day and these are very much women's turf.

Your own residence and El Mech's autobody shop are some of the few example of "male" turf.

Use this to your advantage, avoid martial art classes with fat women and game the hell out of women on the street or in clubs.

Who cares where the line is when you are dealing with women that you never have to see again -- and who never have to see you again either? But avoid any talk about domination and male-female roles at work or in environments where it is going to hurt you. Right or wrong, just save yourself the trouble.

Women and men are equal in his classroom. Everyone pays the same tuition.

My best friend is a 3rd degree black belt in Judo. He's told me multiple times "the guys who come in here with attitude don't last". Translation: it's bad for your martial arts career to try to AMOG the instructors.

YOU are the one taking things too seriously. You're pissed off at these chicks and then trying to be "flirtatious" and you just come off as an aggressive asshole. Push-pull game with no pull = asshole. Just like someone said in the Planet Fitness thread, be thankful for these women are there, they're subsidizing your membership. The instructors are there to teach, not to issue a beatdown to everyone who walks in there that doesn't measure up. Having a little humility doesn't make you a beta.

I agree with everyone else that most of what you did was socially retarded and therefore its your own fault you got kicked out.

I'm not trying to be harsh, you're probably actually well adjusted but just angry about taking the red pill. I can tell because you call every girl a princess in that story. That's fine, it won't completely go away. I know I've got into some pointless arguments with people since taking the red pill.

You just need to learn to control it better, channel that anger into some focused sparring, not arguing with fat bitches and relax a bit more, try and laugh more at the shit in the world rather than taking everything seriously and fighting it all the time.

Quote: (03-20-2015 07:21 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

I agree with everyone else that most of what you did was socially retarded and therefore its your own fault you got kicked out.

I'm not trying to be harsh, you're probably actually well adjusted but just angry about taking the red pill.

I have to agree with you : Red Pill knowledge is new to me and it sometimes (often) makes me feel angry.
I'll do my best to learn to control that, time'll help I guess.

Quote: (03-20-2015 07:56 AM)Latan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-20-2015 07:21 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

I agree with everyone else that most of what you did was socially retarded and therefore its your own fault you got kicked out.

I'm not trying to be harsh, you're probably actually well adjusted but just angry about taking the red pill.

I have to agree with you : Red Pill knowledge is new to me and it sometimes (often) makes me feel angry.
I'll do my best to learn to control that, time'll help I guess.

Learning anything of value results in ups and downs as you learn to calibrate yourself and implement your new knowledge appropriately.

I know you've been given a hard time on this thread; it sucks, I know. Just make sure you learn from the mistake and improve next time.

Self improvement is a journey.

If I were a mod here I'd re-title this "Thrown out of Krav class for having bad game"

The advise given here is very solid, I'll chime in with my 2 cents since I have had similar experiences.

I used to do Krav myself . I know what you mean about sparring a lady. I hit some accidently, and I immediately stop assess the reaction and if they get mad, I make up something to diffuse the situation like "I got caught up in the practice drills, I will do better next time to maintain control of my punches/kicks" or "I lost concentration and went too hard with my punch, I won't make the same mistake again" to her or the instructor. I make sure I say this in a sincere way in a chilled out and concerned tone.

Remember, you want to stay and learn rather than get kicked out, better to diffuse and carry on learning.

^notice how I do not apologise. the second you apologise you come across as weak and the women will report and try to get you kicked out or go out of her way to pain you in bad light to the instructor even more because she perceived weakness.


Also the pretending to slap a girl on the butt is just plain cringy. Are you there to mess around or actually learn how to defend yourself?

I'm not trying to come down on you, and I'm sure you did not have bad intention, but Krav Maga originated from the Israeli army, do you think the creators of this amazing self defence system would want a guy learning this system to dick around in class because there are girls around?

Always take the learning of an art whether is be gym, building, business, nursing, martial arts seriously.

If other girls do not take it seriously, keep away from them. You do not need that negativity in your life to distract you from your path and purpose.

Quote: (03-20-2015 04:28 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2015 06:14 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2015 01:14 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

It's worse than monumentally bad game.

I hate to say this but I would clamp down on this kind of shit from one of my martial arts students if he behaved this way.

Mostly cause it could cost me a lot of £££.

If you clamped down on the core male members of any club your revenue will sink fast. Go to any gym during the warmer months and see all the women and other fairies pratting around trying to be in shape.

Come winter time or shit weather those people are gone. No income for you or your club.

I have left classes in Judo because some people were pathetic in sparring and I actually got a surprised look from the teacher when I threw a female blue belt. Being soft in these environments isn't good for a club.

The OP might have screwed it up a fair bit but those women are useless sacks of shit and don't stay for long.

I don't mean to be rude but I suspect I know more about running a profitable leisure business than you. (I could, of course, be wrong).

There is nothing to suggest that the OP is a core member of anything; plus, would you really stop doing an activity because some other dude did something really stupid and was asked to leave? That's the kind of shit women do.

Krav Maga is the new Karate; hyper commercial. The instructor was protecting his business.

You may not like or agree with it, but as things stand those girls had as much right to be taking and paying for that class as the guys present. As a result there are certain expectations that any customer would have; one of which is not to be repeatedly subjected to the nonsense the OP got up to.

I'm not white knighting here...when people pay for something they expect certain levels of customer care and oversight from those leading the activity; the topic, in this case Krav, is irrelevant.

"Changing room talk" as I call it, can wreck a martial arts or sports club in five minutes, and it's much more prevalent in the girls' locker room than men's.

I've seen it happen when an instructor fucks a student (a sacking offence in my network) particularly. Suddenly half your female students just vanish taking their £1000s pcm with them.

Oddly, female students spend way, way more money than male ones and tend to stick at it longer.

Then we have definitely been in different fitness/martial arts gyms. Majority of classes I attended were male dominated and stayed the course for years.

Women and a select number of men hardly ever stayed and it wasn't a rough class nor was it male focused. I could count a small number of women who stayed the course but my opinion of male-female classes isn't favourable. I saw it as a waste of my time to spar with a woman and new members.

Those other issues you pointed out have nothing to do with what I am trying to get across here. Sleeping with a student in any environment is bound to cause a storm.

He went easy on you. If you were in my classes I would have made you sparred with my heavyweights for punishment, since you enjoy dominance.

By popular demand, this thread has been re-titled, since the original name was misleading. The original smiley-face designation has also been changed to a more accurate frowny.

Old title:

How a girl got me kicked out of my Krav Maga lesson

New title:

How My Autistic Game and Massive Thirst Got Me Kicked out of Krav Maga