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10-30-2014, 01:23 PM
I've been on 100mg test and .5 adex per DAY for six months now, have blood work in for processing right now. E2 was at 70-80 before the adex. everything i read says that this is a shitload of adex.
we shall see
anyone have any experience with too low e2 and what the symptoms are?
i'm going to ask get on HCG as well, want my nuts back.
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03-10-2015, 03:04 PM
So I'm in class and my professor assigns us this scholarly article about the evolution of cancer and how it was ultimately shaped by evolution. The article breaks down how we can study evolution from a macro perspective to better understand tumor genetics and shit like that.
One of the bullet points on the article relates cancer to testosterone. In summary, the point made was that higher standards of nutrition in modern culture increases mate competition and test levels. Also, men who've evolved to have greater physicality tend to have higher test levels and mating success... but the trade off is that they are more prone to prostate cancer.
I'd like to hear what men on this forum would have to say about this... I try and keep my diet high in protein and saturated fats, lift heavy, sprint, box, stay relatively lean (10-12%ish bf year round), and supplement with zinc and fish oil; as I feel like high levels of test = bad mothafucka, but I wanna get some opinions on this article.
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03-10-2015, 05:38 PM
Quote: (03-10-2015 03:04 PM)the chef Wrote:
So I'm in class and my professor assigns us this scholarly article about the evolution of cancer and how it was ultimately shaped by evolution. The article breaks down how we can study evolution from a macro perspective to better understand tumor genetics and shit like that.
One of the bullet points on the article relates cancer to testosterone. In summary, the point made was that higher standards of nutrition in modern culture increases mate competition and test levels. Also, men who've evolved to have greater physicality tend to have higher test levels and mating success... but the trade off is that they are more prone to prostate cancer.
I'd like to hear what men on this forum would have to say about this... I try and keep my diet high in protein and saturated fats, lift heavy, sprint, box, stay relatively lean (10-12%ish bf year round), and supplement with zinc and fish oil; as I feel like high levels of test = bad mothafucka, but I wanna get some opinions on this article.
My question would be what studies does the text site suggesting modern test levels are higher and would are they determining test levels from prior generations? Jamie Lewis wrote an article regarding testosterone that cited studies suggesting that testosterone levels in 35 year old males is lower than their parent's generation.
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2011/01...-much.html .
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03-10-2015, 06:20 PM
Isn't prostate cancer one of the easiest to treat? Does it put you at higher risk for all cancer or just prostate?
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03-10-2015, 07:38 PM
Holy TL ; DR gimme a minute I skimmed it and haven't found anything saying that prior generations had lower test. levels. I see a lot of stuff that we know to be true, intragender competition drives test levels higher and the assertion that westerners have higher test levels.
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03-10-2015, 07:50 PM
Chef, I wasn't able to find anything in the paper citing an increase in the testosterone levels for any population or human beings over time. From my interpretation the author is arguing that better nutrition and adoption of a western style "aggressive" culture will lead to increased risk of prostate Ca due to a relationship between high levels of androgens and prostate Ca If I'm missing something could you quote me a section so I can see it.
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03-14-2015, 05:06 AM
Guys, I have a question for those in the know on this: any help is really, really appreciated.
I have two fighters who are looking to do a cycle of test. I had them do bloodwork test checks and they came out at:
10 & 17 nmol/l
Which for guys in their early 20s I thought pretty damned low.
I can get hold of some test through bodybuilding connections but want to keep them at the top level of the normal range rather than go crazy on the stuff.
How much should they be taking and how regularly?
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03-14-2015, 08:51 AM
I am about to go on clomid as an alternative to test, will report back in a couple of months.
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03-14-2015, 11:01 AM
^^^ I'd like to hear about that...Did you get a prescription for off-label use? (Don't have to answer if you prefer not to.)
If only you knew how bad things really are.
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03-14-2015, 04:15 PM
Rikardo, how did you lower your cortisol levels?
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03-27-2015, 06:01 PM
Got my blood work done to check test levels, and also convinced my doctor that it was worth checking my estrogen levels (thanks MikeCF and this thread, it gave me some important info).
Symptoms: General negative/bummer mood, OK but not great erections, not great libido, incredible difficulty gaining 'next level' strength or muscle mass.
Stats: 27 years old, 5'9"/180lb, pretty lean, eat a mostly high fat/high protein/low carb diet, and have lifted hard 2-3x per week for many years.
I won't have the full results in my hand until Monday, but here's a very basic summary based on a phone call with my doc today:
-Testosterone levels were at 593 (from what I've read this is OK, but probably the lower end of OK)
-Estrogen levels were above the normal range. He didn't tell me the exact number, but he was concerned enough to ask if I am currently taking any hormones (I'm not) and suggested I get "treatment" if the estrogen levels don't come down after my next round of blood work.
-Thyroid, Mineral levels, everything else looked great.
Since my test levels aren't super low, I would guess that too much of my test is getting converted to estrogen (high levels of aromatase?) This could make sense; I remember that I had some mild breast development when I was going through puberty (it has since resolved itself).
From my research, these hormone levels seem to be associated with obese dudes, which I definitely am not. I take 50mg of Zinc, 5000IU vitamin D, and eat 3 Brazil Nuts every day.
Would TRT be enough to help me, or should I just focus on reducing my estrogen levels? Or both?
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03-27-2015, 08:12 PM
IMO you need to work on your head.
Negative/bummer mood is not necessarily hormonal.
OK but not great erections are improved with kegel.
Incredible difficulty gaining 'next level' strength or muscle mass could mean that you just hit the plateau and need to change things around.
BTW, total test is cool but what's you free test level?