He's protecting his investment. I would do the same thing.

Quote: (12-23-2014 11:33 AM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  

He's protecting his investment. I would do the same thing.

More competently and coherently, I would hope.

I had tried to type up earlier why black people have a problem with Iggy and her use of hip hop/rap but I'm glad I didn't--this pretty much hits it on the head.

http://m.mic.com/articles/107012/hip-hop...eserves-it

Quote: (12-24-2014 08:35 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

I had tried to type up earlier why black people have a problem with Iggy and her use of hip hop/rap but I'm glad I didn't--this pretty much hits it on the head.

http://m.mic.com/articles/107012/hip-hop...eserves-it

If I understand this correctly, Azalea was attacked by the other chick because she didn't take a public stance on Garner's death?

This thread makes me feel old. All of these people just seem like low IQ, degenerate trash to me. The fact that they have followings indicate to me that the shit hit the fan a long time ago.

Banks attack on Iggy is really more of a personification of the black communities problem with Iggy.
She has taken black culture and is using it to make a quick buck--nothing wrong with that, can't knock the hustle.

The problem is that for everything black culture as given her which is actually EVERYTHING she has she has not given back to the black community or stood up for any type of the injustices that happen to black people. I believe Iggy's counter agument is that she doesn't owe anyone shit--she doesn't--and she doesn't have to speak on these things because hip hop is whatever you want it to be. What Q-Tip goes on to say is that hip-hop is far more than what Iggy has made it out to be and is by nature very sociopolitical.
Couple that with the fact that she is constantly throwing shade on other female rappers by owning what TI has said about her "I knew women could rap when I heard her" and it just creates this persona of some ungreatful bitch who is pimping the culture for a quick buck without caring for the people that made the culture.

Why are we talking about this chick and hip-hop?

First off, she's kind of like a porn star, in the sense that, how a lot of porn stars get on, is that they get brought into the industry by one of the big porn stars.

Amethyst couldn't get into the industry without someone bringing her in, which T.I. did.

Second, she's not hip-hop, let's not act like she was bodying people at the Rap Olympics prior to going to mainstream.

This is who she was before she got brought into the rap game by T.I.






So what you have here is a fake lady Gaga from down under who has had banana roll liposuction and fat transfers to her lower body to make her look more appealing to Black men.

Nobody would be listening to a flat-chested, pancake booty white girl from Mullumbimby spit.

The Entertainment Industry is nothing but an illusion, nobody is who they say they are, they're all paid liars who will do anything to become famous, and in the course of that, a few of them might actually get rich.

^Your post made me think of this passage from John Densmore's autopbiography:

"At one point Jim said to me during the recording session, and he was tearful, and he shouted in the studio, 'Does anybody understand me?' And I said yes, I do, and right then and there we got into a long discussion and Jim just kept saying over and over kill the father, fuck the mother, and essentially boils down to this, kill all those things in yourself which are instilled in you and are not of yourself, they are alien concepts which are not yours, they must die. Fuck the mother is very basic, and it means get back to essence, what is reality, what is, fuck the mother is very basically mother, mother-birth, real, you can touch it, it's nature, it can't lie to you. So what Jim says at the end of the Oedipus section, which is essentially the same thing that the classic says, kill the alien concepts, get back reality, the end of alien concepts, the beginning of personal concepts."

Iggy is the Millennial Vanilla Ice. No coincidence she's a broad to boot.

If Iggy Azalea is a phony and a liar then so are all the other big names in "hip hop" today are just the same. Nikki Minaj, T.I., Lil wayne and co., Bobby Schmurda, The Game, are musically useless and as far removed from hip hop origination as she is. The only difference standing that no one will admit this because it removes the halo around hip hop purist arguments is skin color and relinquishes the victim status of those that hold these mentalities of the moral superiority of "that's racist". Top brand rappers of all stripes today peddle patronizing, pseudo-political mantras and if they don't, it's last decades awareness with almost verbatim lyrics. How provocative. You have white artists like macklemore at least provide a positive, constructive message to the youth be scrutinized and the most talented and genuine features out like Lupe fiasco and Kid Cudi be written off as corny or "backpack". I was a fan of Kendrick Lamar before he was big and came out with the incredibly genuine and personal "Overly Dedicated" album. Now he's effectively sold out with glorifying street violence, like all the others, as if there's some new message to be told about this angle. There's not. He's making junk food music for the urban masses.

Let's stop pretending as if there is something to save in "hip hop". It died years ago. Everything today is pop with Afrocentric seasoning.

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By the way, I'll provide the the counterpoint to make it easy for you guys that will disagree with me.

"You have no idea what you're talking about TonySandos. First off, you're white and not from ghetto. We celebrate dysfunction and misfortune. You could only get street credit if you had a shitty background like many of the dregs at the top of hip hop are leaching off the urban community like Eminem. Even if the original purveyors of hip hop were hoping the youth could move onto a better path, we stuck to this and never let it go.

Secondly, you're not a fanboy that can't repeat the third verse of some obscure 90's groups formative album off the top of your head. If your life doesn't revolve a large part of your everyday existence around this musical, pseudo activism that ultimately leads to wasting your time on what could have been used honing a talent, a financially productive hobby, a degree, book reading, learning, positive self development... then your opinion doesn't count.

Yeezus for President of the World.

The struggle is too real

Anyone that says hip hop is dead..
...lol

White girls trying to act like black ghetto girls, twerking, wearing booty shorts and even trying to emulate their speech patterns.

Black girls trying to look like white trash girls, getting skank tattoos, contact lenses, and straightening their beautiful heads of hair until it looks like a burnt out cookie sheet.

This, gentlemen, is the decline of "american" culture. Bear witness.

The black artists in this industry are such hypocrites. Any of them would sell out and sign an Iggy Azalea if they could get money off it. Ludacris, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West and pretty much any popular rapper have done pop songs with white artists like Justin Bieber and Katy Perry.

What about fake black artists like Rick Ross? He is trying to act like a thug and was a correctional officer.

Iggy Azalea fakes her accent but so does Drake in his songs.

For the record, I don't like Iggy Azalea, and I do agree with a lot of what is being said about her. But she is hardly the only one who deserves shit.

Blame technology.

MTV might have made music more about looks than talent, but YouTube sealed the deal. We now have artists whose sole appeal rests on a visual novelty factor meant to stand out so videos will go viral. More often than not, that comes down to a female showing off something.

Azelia's and Jennifer Lopez's song "Booty" is a prime example. It was clearly designed first for its visual appeal and second to be an actual song. Take away the visuals, and you're left with little. In that sense, pop music really has degenerated into porn, and someone mentioned.

Iggy Azelea is one of many newer artists whose voices are annoying as hell, but whose looks get them eyeballs on YouTube so they become popular. If suddenly all videos were banned for a year, you'd hear a drastic change in music.

On top of all that, I think men growing up listening to predominantly females on Top 40 radio is re-shaping the way men interact with society. And not for the better. I think it's one reason it's hard to tell Millennial men from gay men -- so much of their world growing up is female-centric. There is a major difference in coming of age immersed in Robert Plant, Axl Rose's or even Billy Corgan's mindset as opposed to Iggy Azelia's.

I'm half-tempted to expand on this idea at Return of Kings if I ever decide to write again.

New term I became aware of recently: "Cultural Appropriation"

I'm like WTF mate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Enjoy...

1)Merry Christmas.

2)Reading through these replies it's shocking to see that people just don't do their research and seem to blindly defend this artist, or want to blame black people for being "haters" or whatever(which in some cases is valid but still missing the point, which a few minutes of research would have pointed out.), It took me five minutes to research a valid reason why so many artists DON'T like Iggy Azelea(I didn't even know who she was before seeing this thread pop up.)

In five minutes I was able to find this video, her FIRST video that made her "famous"(through controversy)

This video explains all you need to know about this "Artist"

Quote: (12-24-2014 09:06 PM)Badamson Wrote:  

This thread makes me feel old. All of these people just seem like low IQ, degenerate trash to me. The fact that they have followings indicate to me that the shit hit the fan a long time ago.

, said every old person about every form of popular music ever.

Alrite, can someone please tell a white dude the difference between hip-hop, r&b, and rap? I'm getting confused.

Quote: (12-25-2014 05:13 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

Alrite, can someone please tell a white dude the difference between hip-hop, r&b, and rap? I'm getting confused.

Hip-hop and rap are interchangeable. There's no difference. As for R&B, that one is difficult to explain. But essentially it's multiple music genres - or elements borrowed from other music genres - combined into one.

My understanding:
Hip hop and rap are kind of interchangeable but not at the same time. Hip hop is more of a lifestyle and form of self expression about "the struggle" via art--music, visual art, dj-ing, dancing, etc.
Rapping is more of the verbal skill and is more or less a "leg" that helps make the "table" of hip hop. Rapping is a form self expression but you can have beats without rapping and it still be hip hop (IE Doug E Fresh) but I don't believe it works the other way (it probably does).

R&B stands for Rhythm and blues. To me R&B is a much tougher thing to put into a box. I've always considered slower beats and much more meaningful lyrics to identify an R&B song--love songs, slower cadences-- but even that can be wrong because you could have a person by definition rapping over a slow beat and it be R&B and another person "rapping over a slow beat" and it would be considered hip-hop. In the same breath you could probably envelope a lot of R&B songs under the umbrella of Hip-Hop.

Quote: (12-25-2014 07:36 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

My understanding:

R&B stands for Rhythm and blues. To me R&B is a much tougher thing to put into a box. I've always considered slower beats and much more meaningful lyrics to identify an R&B song--love songs, slower cadences-- but even that can be wrong because you could have a person by definition rapping over a slow beat and it be R&B and another person "rapping over a slow beat" and it would be considered hip-hop. In the same breath you could probably envelope a lot of R&B songs under the umbrella of Hip-Hop.

When applied to urban-style music, R&B stands for Rhythm & Bass. Rhythm & Blues is the early precursor to rock & roll.