Quote: (12-11-2014 04:16 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:
I also don't understand what this entire argument about obamacare being anti-freedom is about. Do you have the freedom to not be sick?
It's anti-freedom because by law you're forced to purchase health insurance or pay a huge fine....but of course poor people get exempt from having to pay the fine so working class stiffs like me who make just enough money to scrape by get screwed.
Also, as a result of the increase in costs, many employers downgraded their health plans to make up for the increases. They simply passed on the costs to the employee by giving them a crappier health plan. Now all these companies have high deductible plans where you pay everything out of pocket for the first 2 to 3 thousand bucks, no co-pays for doctor visits, nothing until youve spent like 3 grand and then the insurance kicks in and pays some of the cost. This happened at my old work(a fortune 500 company) which had really great insurance before obamacare was implemented. Kids can stay on their parents' insurance until they're like 26 now so they think it's great. When they get older and have to actually deal with it, they will see what a pain in the ass it is...
I actually wouldn't mind an actual socialized health care system, but our leaders don't have the discipline to manage such a system responsibly the way a country like Japan or Norway does. You can't have free heath care and mass immigration from third world countries. It's not sustainable and the system would collapse.
But I don't want to threadjack or go too far off topic. Jim Webb has taken some alt-right positions that I agree with, but when he was in office he had the chance and didn't really advocate for those things and mostly just went along with Obama and the status quo. He even voted for the bank and big corporation bailouts in 2008. He's anti-war, but many democrats claim to be anti war when really they just want to send troops and foreign aid to their own pet project third world shitholes like Darfur. I don't think there are any good candidates for 2016, honestly.