I'm wondering how people handle this specific shit test.

Only recently have I been running into it, and it's obviously more prevalent with hotter girls. For example, this past weekend I was at the club and upon arrival to the smoking/outdoor area, I saw 3 relatively attractive girls. One was bust but the other two had great bodies, but used up faces. Getting to the point, I walked up like usual, very comfortably and simply said "you got a liter?" (or some variation) with the ciggerete already in my mouth and showing absolutely no signs of interest.

Right off the bat, the girl with the nice body (but looked like she had been headbutting shovels as a kid) perked up with her bitch voice and gross stare. "Say please". Her friend actually said "say the magic word" on the side, which would have been preferable, and easy to work with. This bitch was out for blood and I wasn't giving up easy.

Long story short I ended up fucking with them and hesitating dramatically before actually saying it, but I feel like this one can get tricky.

If you just blow them off right then and there it defeats the purpose of talking to them in the first place, not to mention I'm not going to let the opening response dictate the outcome so quickly.

If you say please right away and conform like a little bitch then...well...you're a little bitch...


My thing is, I wanted/needed the liter, and that was my open. So eventually I knew I had to say some variation of "please" with the least amount of compliance as possible. I'll give my self some credit as I believe I returned with something like "Please don't make me ask you again" in a half smirk but still, I'm curious as to the different responses and ways you can run with this, or not get fucked by it.

*Playful face* "What am I? A five year old?"

"come here"
walk uncomfortably close
"no" and smile patronizingly
close off body language, hit on the third chick
get back to the first one afterwards.

quit smoking.

Bitch please

Since this shit test is so blatant, obvious and void of imagination there is no need for any smart replay. Just look at her with a raised eyebrow or tell her she is nuts. She doesn't deserve to hear any humor for such a shitty form of banter.

One exception: if she says it in bed while you're telling her to take off something. In that case, she is more like trying to reassure herself that she is still in control, and there is no harm in indulging her.

Pretend you're curious, and ask her to say it again. And when she does you say, "good girl. I love a girl that's trainable", and walk away.

It's not always a shit test. Sounds like she was flirting.

Agree and amplify, channeling Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction:

"Pretty please, with sugar on top, light the fucking cigarette"

This happened to me recently as a matter of fact. About 3 weeks ago at work. This really hot chick(named Angela) had a reagent that i needed for some of my laboratory tests. When i asked for it, she replied "say please"... at first, i thought my ear was deceiving me, so i asked again, then Angela again repeated herself "say please"

My response?

With a deadpan look on my face, i instinctively gave her the middle-finger.

Her reaction?

She was flummoxed. with a look of "i can't believe he just did that!" look on her face.

Everybody's reaction? (there were people around us)

Everybody in the vicinity piled on me, hardcore. You will think i just took out my dick and piss on the virgin mary herself. I was getting attacked left and right.

How did i handle this development?

I couldn't careless. My frame was unshakeable. I didn't apologize, i was neither afraid nor scared; i just didn't give a fuck-- because i truly, genuinely didn't give a single, bloody fuck. and it showed....

What happened next?

Later, she was telling everybody a story about how Snooki(tv reality star) is such a slut, and how she gets drunk and fell down, revealing her panties... Then Angela(the chick i gave the middle finger to) then dramatize the snooki's leg spreading with emphasis -- by spreading her own legs-- while looking into my eyes. (angela was wearing jeans, though)

I had a bemused smile on my face. women are soo fucking predictable.

_______

Should you react the same way i did? Not necessarily. context is everything. But given the atmospheric/vibe and context i was operating in, if i had apologize or showed fear or any such thing. She would have switched into victim mode and took me to H.R. department; especially, since everybody in our vicinity was piling on me while coming to her defence.

On top of that, my giving her the middle finger was soo spontaneous, so gut-reaction, so visceral to the slightly entitled, borderline patronizing way she asked me to "say please".

Anyways, that is my two cents on the matter,

regards,

Nemencine

Quote: (10-27-2014 09:31 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It's not always a shit test. Sounds like she was flirting.

Great post Parlay!

I agree.

Often times, a "shit test" is not a "shit test". It's flirting!

"Shit test" is sort of blue pill term in my opinion. Sexually educated men know that "shit tests" are often just flirtation.

Quote: (10-27-2014 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (10-27-2014 09:31 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It's not always a shit test. Sounds like she was flirting.

Great post Parlay!

I agree.

Often times, a "shit test" is not a "shit test". It's flirting!

"Shit test" is sort of blue pill term in my opinion. Sexually educated men know that "shit tests" are often just flirtation.

Shit test, the alpha/beta debate, and many other manosphere maxims are really just training wheels for the new guys.

They make them stop, think, and question their actions. Which is good, because most of the time their actions are straight wrong, in the player sense.

I would just answer "ahah" with a smile and then proceed with the conversation... Flirting for sure, a girl who is not interested in having a chat with you would not act this way. She would either tell that it's her last cigarette, or would hand one to you without any more words or teasing, apart from something like "here you have it".

Huh, I always thought shit tests were a form of flirting. If a chick isn't interested she'll be polite and then ignore you.

Quote: (10-27-2014 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Often times, a "shit test" is not a "shit test". It's flirting!

"Shit test" is sort of blue pill term in my opinion. Sexually educated men know that "shit tests" are often just flirtation.

Quote: (10-27-2014 09:31 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It's not always a shit test. Sounds like she was flirting.

Interesting take from both of you and it might be entirely valid, but the question remains, how would you respond?

Myself, I don't smoke, but I imagine it'd be something along the lines of the below. Quick note, I don't see much of a difference between "say the magic word" and "say please" and I'm also going to assume they did it in the nagging/bitchy voice that the OP seem to be implying.

I wouldn't respond. I'd immediately turn away from them and approach someone else, be it other girls or a guy. Don't care. They'll likely re-open you if they're interested and they're interest level would probably be higher.

I don't put up with snarky bitches at the bar.

Quote: (10-27-2014 05:29 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Interesting take from both of you and it might be entirely valid, but the question remains, how would you respond?

My go to line would be to turn to the third girl and say:

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Are they always this difficult?

another would be:

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You're a real charmer, aren't you?

or maybe:

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I'm not a team player.

What really matters though is your body language and tone of voice. You want to engage with them but not on their terms.

I would smile amused, go to the next group of people, ask them using "please" and them come back and ask "how did i do?" with a big innocent smile, pointed to one of the other girls. This is too confrontational and you probably wont get away with it.

alternative take: I would say please, and then after she gives the liter I would go "you are easy to please, I dont know what to think about that" (smile).

I see nothing wrong with throwing humor into the mix while saying please or brushing her request aside like a little sister would (in a funny way of course).

Best situation in a possible shit test and/or flirting situation is humor - that's just my style.

I'm known for not having a filter, saying what I want, talking shit, and getting away with is.

Why ? Because I have pretty damn good sense of humor, I would definently said "pretty pleas with a fucking cherry on top light my fucking cigarette" (Engineer said it) or ask her to repeat herself a few times then say what Vinman said.

My fave response to "Say the magic word"

"NOW!"

usually in a playful, pretend-angry way

All great stuff. I'd normally agree with you in terms of it being flirting, but for some reason I feel like you can just tell when they are trying to flirt, or trying to "regain control" of the situation/frame just by their attitude.

I'm 6'5", so I feel like my body language might be a bit exaggerated, therefore it's quite possible they felt like just by me walking up how I did, and being only interested in a lighter, (unlike the other 23432 guys I saw approach them later that night) I wasn't under their spell of tight jeans and pierced stomach showing.

Maybe they're trying to kill two birds with one stone here, filter out the guys that say please right away, but at the same time welcome a flirty/cocky/witty response for the guys "who get it"?

Just a thought, but definitely an angle I didn't consider right away.

"Please? What are you my mother?"

Lots of options depending upon the woman.

Say it in Spanish or French. With a wink to go with it.

Write on a piece of paper and show it to her for a laugh.

Nemencine middle finger is excellent asshole game. You can also simulate on like a fishing pole but only raise it half way up.

You could do it in sign language with a deadpan face.

If you use Frenchie's suggestion it would sound better if you have an accent like a Jersey one.

If you bypass her and get the item or whatever it was your own self that backfires, never do that.

Ask how old she is.

YOU - "shovel-face says what?"

HER - "what??"

YOU - "exactly, now lighter woman"