I'll admit, I didn't read the whole thing. I skimmed the first part and read Roosh's introduction and post mortem for the piece. However, the concept of the article sparked a question in my mind.

Is it beta to act like that if that is what a guy likes?

For instance, if I like cuddling and other "beta" things (not being a bitch and doing everything a girl says or something like that), is that necessarily bad, as long as I'm banging as well? Surely, liking cuddling and going out to nice dinners, etc etc doesn't make a guy the manliest of men, but isn't it all about getting what you want and doing what you want to do?

I think you know the answer. These are extremes in a lot of cases... push/pull is necessary but acting like that all the time is beta and a DLV. Cuddling itself isn't inherently bad, just don't overdo it.

Yeah, that's how I feel, but stuff like Roissy's "16 Commandments of Poon" make it sounds pretty machiavellian.

So you're asking if it's okay to be a beta as long as you get laid?

Do you see the problem with that question?

Quote: (04-18-2011 01:06 PM)nmmoooreland20 Wrote:  

I'll admit, I didn't read the whole thing. I skimmed the first part and read Roosh's introduction and post mortem for the piece. However, the concept of the article sparked a question in my mind.

Is it beta to act like that if that is what a guy likes?

For instance, if I like cuddling and other "beta" things (not being a bitch and doing everything a girl says or something like that), is that necessarily bad, as long as I'm banging as well? Surely, liking cuddling and going out to nice dinners, etc etc doesn't make a guy the manliest of men, but isn't it all about getting what you want and doing what you want to do?

You probably should go get your testosterone levels checked.

Dude, you aren't doing what you want if you're actin like that. You're just being greatful to some girl for putting out to you and you're letting your guard down. No way is it going to last if you act that way around a girl.

Quote: (04-18-2011 01:06 PM)nmmoooreland20 Wrote:  

I'll admit, I didn't read the whole thing. I skimmed the first part and read Roosh's introduction and post mortem for the piece. However, the concept of the article sparked a question in my mind.

Is it beta to act like that if that is what a guy likes?

For instance, if I like cuddling and other "beta" things (not being a bitch and doing everything a girl says or something like that), is that necessarily bad, as long as I'm banging as well? Surely, liking cuddling and going out to nice dinners, etc etc doesn't make a guy the manliest of men, but isn't it all about getting what you want and doing what you want to do?

This is about beta programming, a topic that's becoming increasingly obvious the more I look at the whole male/female relationship in regards to Game.

I used to be the same way, I enjoyed cuddling. Holding a girl you like close like that felt good. I liked the warmth, the softness, and the closeness.

After years of being over looked though, I realized I liked that because it was easy. Think of it the way broke college students eat Ramen. They say they like it, but if you offered them anything else they'd throw the Ramen out immediately. You adapt to what you can get because you can get it. You learn to become "okay" with it.

The more I got screwed (not literally) and overlooked the more I realized I was sick of this shit. I wanted to fuck. I wanted to fuck because thats what I truly liked.

Eh, I don't like something about this thread... I feel like the OP might be from "Crazy feminist" girl's blog.

Quote: (04-18-2011 02:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

So you're asking if it's okay to be a beta as long as you get laid?

Do you see the problem with that question?

I guess my question is moreso if being beta is a subjective trait or an absolute quality. For instance, if the guy likes doing the things that are typically considered "beta," is it still something to be avoided? Should he try and change his preference and subsequently his behavior? Or, would doing these things that he actually likes, in essence, being true to himself (?) be alpha? The more I think about it, I guess the guy should try both mindsets / lifestyles and decide which he likes and go with it. Maybe I just smoked too much weed...

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I used to be the same way, I enjoyed cuddling. Holding a girl you like close like that felt good. I liked the warmth, the softness, and the closeness.

After years of being over looked though, I realized I liked that because it was easy. Think of it the way broke college students eat Ramen. They say they like it, but if you offered them anything else they'd throw the Ramen out immediately. You adapt to what you can get because you can get it. You learn to become "okay" with it.

I like this breakdown. Right on

I'll play devils advocate. If I get your question, no it's not automatically beta because you like cuddling with girls. There is nothing wrong with that. There is however something wrong with it if that's all your getting and your settling for that even when you want more.

Some guys in this forum give off this impression that if you don't constantly have your dick in a bitches mouth and your foot on her neck, that your acting beta....which is not true.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to just be around a chick and cuddle with them and shit like that if that's what's u want to do. I mean, girls are soft and pretty and they do smell good; why wouldn't u want to be around them? Anybody that's trying to tell u different is borderline gay in my opinion.

Being alpha is doing and getting what u want, point blank. If that's cuddling then knock yourself out man.

if you are getting laid frequently even by doing all these beta stuff....than you are not beta. !

The more I read this, the more I want to slap the next person that responds. This thread is deceiving, this OP is female (more than cupcake) and this is the backlash that comes with a site's growing popularity.

I like to cuddle with girls too, but only after I have banged the shit out of them a few times!

Don't show her your "beta" (sensitive) side until after she trusts your "alpha" side.

They don't care how sensitive you are until they have tasted your strength.

Quote: (04-19-2011 12:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I like to cuddle with girls too, but only after I have banged the shit out of them a few times!

Don't show her your "beta" (sensitive) side until after she trusts your "alpha" side.

They don't care how sensitive you are until they have tasted your strength.

That sounds like the right thing to do

I find that showing a sensitive side at all, other than some occasional responsibility, is overrated. I mean, be yourself. But don't ever get emo with her if you can help it. Alpha women will be listening but still will judge you based on that and she won't really care about your sensitivity. Plus, I've had it thrown in my face at the end of relationships (sensitive stuff that I told her to intimate myself with her). Its not worth it. I think that it works more against than for you.

Agree with Hydro and Giovonny. First you're a man, act sexual and then you go soft for very short bursts. Read short, so they can really value those brief periods; if you're too soft all the time, they WILL keep asking for more and it will never be enough until you become a gay friend. I think it's a Litmus test women do all the time to test you. They can say and think all they want intellectually about wanting a sensitive man but once you go soft their brain wiring will tell them to go look for a proper gene suitor (ie. attractor) and keep you for comfort, if for anything.

Unfortunately being soft and emotional is a luxury we men don't have. Thinking back everytime I let my guard down and get lazy, it has always backfired. Although I have to say that some natural guys I've met seem to achieve a very good balance, to the point of seeming gay, but getting laid all the time.

Because women don't generally know shit about life or what true strength is, they mistake kindness for weakness. You and all that cuddling cannot sustain her interest. You have to be a strong sturdy sonofabitch before and after the sensitive stuff.

Ya, and don't ever have a "heart to heart" conversation with a girl and tell her about your weaknesses and insecurities. It might feel good to "vent" with her but that kind of stuff will get you into the "friends zone". You can show your vulnerability in a more masculine way.

Like telling her you have issues with violence due to a rough childhood. Or something like that.

Quote: (04-20-2011 10:56 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Ya, and don't ever have a "heart to heart" conversation with a girl and tell her about your weaknesses and insecurities. It might feel good to "vent" with her but that kind of stuff will get you into the "friends zone". You can show your vulnerability in a more masculine way.

Like telling her you have issues with violence due to a rough childhood.

Haha this reminds me of something that happened recently -- a good example that "fakes" an issue. My buddy came to bat for me one night when I was out with my (now ex-LTR) girl. She was complaining to him while I was in the bathroom that she didn't think I was that interested in her. He told her that I was but that I had a psycho ex that keyed my car once and it put me on guard. This wasn't true of course.

She went to the bathroom while he gave me the lo-down. She was none the wiser when she came back (why she thought my buddy wouldn't tell me still boggles my mind).

When she approached me she said "I'm not crazy by the way. You don't have to worry when you're with me." I pretended to not know what she was talking about while grinning inside.

Win.

I've learned not to open up to much or show emotions with girls anymore. I used to as soon as I felt a connection because I thought it would bring her closer and let me fuck. I've gotten a lot better and always stop myself before saying something sensitive that's going bite me in my ass.

What are the thoughts on post-bang "cuddling" That "we just had crazy sex now lets fall asleep together" kind? This would strictly be in regards to a FB or LTR girl

Quote: (04-21-2011 04:21 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

What are the thoughts on post-bang "cuddling" That "we just had crazy sex now lets fall asleep together" kind? This would strictly be in regards to a FB or LTR girl

Nothing wrong with this post-sex, IF you've already proved your alphaness to a high degree (you already banged her, but on top of that). Even with ONS/SNL's it is OK in limited doses. Just don't get clingy, be the first to break away. Though in this case (with a ONS), if you don't plan to see her again, why bother?

Cuddling could get you into the "boyfriend zone", ... which is worse then the "friends zone".

The compliment and cuddle outline is hilarious. My girlfriend in brasil would always complain that I wasn't affectionate enough. I think other gringos have heard this from their brazilian girlfriends. Roosh has written posts about how it is beta to always try to kiss or be super affectionate with your girl. I believe it is too. But from my experience brazilian girls want you to be alpha but super affectionate. I'm down for some cuddling if it is from a feminine and attractive girl that tosses it up though.

@Houston I know what your saying if you are having problems in your life or stress never tell a girl about them or complain they will lose all respect for you. For example if you just lost your job or crashed your car and you are trippin don't let it show.

This should be a free bonus to compliment and cuddle:

John Stamos' Guide To Cuddling:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/658269...o-cuddling